Who has experience launching (and recovering) a beachcat off a trailer from a conventional boat ramp? Advice welcome.

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pretty simple...back in and drop it off or pick it up... actually i always got the mast in place prior to taking off trailer. just pull over to side out of peoples way, do what you need to do to get ready. make sure no wires overhead where you need to go. step mast, back into your spot on ramp, float boat off,either have someone hold it or pull it off to side and pull up on beach. pull trailer out and park it then proceed to getting sails up and everything ready. i used to be able to get my powerboat in or out of the water in less than 3 minutes...never understood someone taking 30 minutes to launch or take out a boat. is that what you were looking for?

I sailed for years at Davis Island next to down town tampa. I used the boat ramp all the time.

I agreed with above, do all the work you can in the lot before you back down the ramp (put on jib if you have a furler).

I would defiantly take crew for the first few times to hold the cat as you park the car/trailer.

Yes.
I was the same way with my powerboat. We use to go to the public boat ramp with a folding chair and be entertained for hous watching people struggle.

There is no beach, therefore I guess I will be pulling it up to a dock after floating it off. I've never raised the sails while it is floating. I guess he jib will have to be done from the dock or would you do it on the trailer? It cai't be reached from the tramp.

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no way to wade in at all? is there a beach within paddling distance? thinking maybe carry a small paddle to get to beach if you can't walk it. you coul dalways have everything rigged and hooked up so all you have to do is raise sails...that would suck to drop your shackles and pins in deep water. just rasinig them shouldn't be too awful bad while tied to a dock...never done it myself....

can't tell you how many trailers i backed in for people that couldn't get it. grab a chair and pop a top..

Launching from what amounts to a "strictly powerboat" public ramp where there is nothing but docks and concrete around is a not much fun, but it can usually be done.

Do you have clear sailing from the dock adjacent to the ramp out to open water? Describe the area around your boat ramp or marina and you'll get more tips.

Probably need to carry a paddle or two. In extreme cases, like launching from mega marinas in California where the beachcat sailors have little legal options, even outboard motors become popular options because there is no other way to get out to open water reliably.

I hate it when I'm forced to use a dock, it's a hassle but it can be done if necessary.

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I have not been to ramp but it has been described to me as concrete and docks but there is clear sailing into a wide river/harbor (Charleston, SC) directly from the ramp. Getting it off the trailer and to the dock (with my paddle/walking/line) is less of a concern than raising sails once in the water. I will have a relative in a power boat lurking for assistance.

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Damon,

you need to post something quick. Your "Post #" is 666!

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This is the Primary reason I have yet to sail on the Great Salt Lake. I am 5 mins from the Marina but nothing but a steep ramp and docks inside and to exit you have to navigate a narrow L shaped Channel of huge built up boulders. I know all this is to protect the marina and boats from the waves during high winds as the shallow lake and high density of the water make for some some pretty powerful waves.

I talked to someone there who says he takes is hobie 20 out and he puts the sail up on the trailer but I am not comfortable with that. I am sure I could paddle out with crew but tricky alone to paddle steer and keep it off the rocks, but then I'd have to raise the main on the open water. I think I could do this if the wind is right and the rope was lubed good but still a pain.

Then when I come in I have to drop the main first maybe then paddle in. The problem with this is it is really easy for the boom and main to fowl the rudder control when they are not up.

I am thinking of making a Lazy-Jack for the boom so it can stay off the tramp and it will hopefully hold the main loosely on the boom with the top all ready in the rack with the halyard attached.

Kinda like this






edited by: Quarath, Aug 25, 2010 - 12:29 PM

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Getting it off the trailer and to the dock (with my paddle/walking/line) is less of a concern than raising sails once in the water.

Do you have a furling jib, so it's just the main you need to raise?

You could try raising the main while sitting on the tramp while the boat is on the trailer to see how difficult it is.

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I will have a relative in a power boat lurking for assistance.

That is good, I've launched from a marina deep down a creek leading to a main river channel and needed to be towed out by a jet ski, whatever it takes!

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I hate it when I'm forced to use a dock, it's a hassle but it can be done if necessary.

Like BSC (recognize the boats?), everybody now just pulls the boats up on the dock. You have to launch down a slippery concrete steep ramp with only twenty feet between the two docks.



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Docks are not as easy as a nice smooth beach, but can be done.
This dock is in Key Largo and was worth the trouble. You can see that the Hooter and jib are already on the boat. The next morning the wind was coming from about 45 deg over the Starboard bow. We were able to get the main sail up. With the crew setting on the port bow and me on the stern, we pushed the boat to the end of the pier and were sailing.


On the dock at Birmingham Sailing Club.

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I hate it when I'm forced to use a dock, it's a hassle but it can be done if necessary.

Like BSC (recognize the boats?)

LOL, that's exactly what I was thinking about!


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You could try raising the main while sitting on the tramp while the boat is on the trailer to see how difficult it is.

I have heard of boats being blown off of trailers doing this.
Would not look good your boat laying across a ramp and all the power boaters getting mad about the delay.

I rig & launch from a dock every day. Hoisting sails while my 5.7 is on a modified seadoo lift would be a really bad idea. I lower the boat off the lift, then walk it around my powerboat, to a 20' dock extension I purpose built for the Cat this spring.
The water is waist deep, & I cannot stand on the bottom & attach the jib, (this is the secondary reason for converting to roller furling). I lay an 8' length of 2x6 across the hulls, just behind where the bridal wires connect to the stay. I can then walk out, attach the jib shackle & start the zipper. If I have crew they can raise it while I zip. If not I have to be organized & pull halyard while zipping & trying to keep the sail out of the water. So far I have not lost any parts, or fallen in!
In a good breeze the jib is flogging, & the orientation of the dock means that with our predominant winds, as soon as I tie the jib blocks on & take up the slack to stop the flogging it is pulling power. I have two purpose built lines with SS clips attached to the dock, & clip them to two shackles I have installed to the port side of the beams. This controls the boat while I hoist the main. Luckily most of our winds come from within 45* of the bows. Sometimes they are pushing the main against the shrouds, making it harder to raise. Rotating the mast inline with the sail helps. Once I sailed out on jib only, dropped the righting bag over as a sea anchor to keep head to wind, then raised the main. Attaching the S hook from the blocks to the main is the last thing I do. Leaving the sail free to swing is good. I learned this the hard way.

Here is a photo just after rigging, seadoo lift is at bottom right



edited by: Edchris177, Aug 25, 2010 - 09:09 PM

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Thanks for all the info guys.

Ed, lots of good info there. You answer another question I had - what's the best place on the boat to attach a dock line?
Also I gave it a dry run at the house and promptly dropped the shackle pin for he jib in the water. Is there a better/safer pin/attachment for the jib?
This is what i'm using:


But I did manage to get both sails up (in little to no wind):





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Glad to see you managed it Gray. It becomes a real b.i.t.c.h. when the wind picks up, the docks are never aligned into the wind, & you get good at tying bowlines as the jib is trying to take your eyes out!
None of the Cat builders will advise to tie a Cat up with anything other than than a harness to the bridal wires, & then only in extenuating circumstances.
I certainly would not tie it to my dock in a storm, that's what the lift is for, but I have tied it up overnight in relatively calm conditions, & with the intelligent use of several softly inflated fenders, along with a full length dock rub strip. If you are allowed to push the Cat up onto the dock for the night as shown in several pictures that would always be my first choice.
Those shackles with ring dings are a real PITA to use in situations such as attaching a jib, when you can't stand on dry land & are not required for that purpose. I use the following:

See the small shackle connected to the tang that you attach the jib tack to? It has a bit os sticky stuff from duct tape on the threads, just turn it finger tight & it will never come loose. Attached to that is what hooks onto the head of the jib. it is a shackle with a captive spring loaded pin.
Here are a couple of links to that part, they are only a few bucks, but have to be installed at the top of the halyard with a swaged ball, you may already have this on your boat.
http://www.saltydogmarine.com/product_info.php?cPath=228&products_id=2956

I had to come back home for a birthday party, but am going back to my lake house tomorrow. If this is not clear, I'll take a photo & PM it to you.

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Ed,
I have that spring loaded shackle like yours for the head (top) of the jib. The ring-ding shackle that connects to the jib tack is the piece that I struggle with. I bought a ss version of a snap hook (see pic) to attach to the tack (bottom) of the jib.


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Murrays makes a part for quick connect/disconnect, but I think it is about $35.
How do you connect that SS clip to the jib hangar on the chainplate? That clip looks like what I use for clipping to the dock, but I think the packaging listed a very low working load, only 300 lb, so I use it with caution.
Ring dings are a pain, so I only use them on parts that don't come apart often, or can't fail parts like shrouds & stays. So far, the small bow shackle works for hanging the jib,it can be undone with fingers.

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I use the pin from the ringding shackle pictured above thru the jib tack holder with that hook eye captured in the middle. I saw the low working load but thought there is not much load on that part of the sail with the zipper etc. just holds the bottom of the sail.

I noticed your pic and figured out that my jib hanger is attached on the face of the chainplate (with the single holes to the plate and the two holes forming sides pointing out to hang the jib). The whole chainplate etc is rotated 90 degrees (due to its attachment with the bridles). Do I have something wrong here? I'll see if I have a pic.

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Kinda like this :


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Gray,
Put the bridle swags between the chainplate. The load on the pin should be balance on either side.

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That's actually not my boat. Someone posted this in a previous thread. However, I will make sure mine is balanced when I raise the mast tomorrow. Thanks

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Good advice Philip, that setup would result in a twisting force on the pin.
Gray, ignore the advice I gave you, I just went back & looked closely at the NACRA manual, I do not have mine setup correctly. I have used it as it was when I bought it, but my jib hangar is bass ackwards!
Attach your jib hangar as shown in the pic above, or Photo #38 in the old Nacra manual. (in the pic above, the hangar has fallen down, you would rotate it upwards 180* before attaching jib. Then forget the small bow shackle I show in my photo, the jib tack grommet goes between the two ears of the hangar, insert a pip pin,(detent pin or toggle pin with spring) no fuss, no hassle. I'm going to change mine tomorrow, & use a pin like one in the top left or bottom right of link below.
Note: the holes in the jib hangar are probably worn, so detent pins as shown at top left may fall out, you would have to secure them with a zip tie, still way esier than ring dings.
http://www.murrays.com/archive/31.pdf

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So Ed the jib hanger in the picture is upside down?

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This photo is correct, except that when connected it will be swiveled up.


I use a regular screw shackle to attach the tack of the jib.




edited by: skarr1, Aug 28, 2010 - 10:03 AM

Skarr is correct, the hangar has just fallen down. The pin that connects everything does not hold them tightly together, only a bolt & nut would do that. Once you remove the jib, & let go of the hangar it will swivel on the pin & fall to the position shown.
That small bow shackle is what I am using now, easier than ring dings, as finger tight is OK.
Gray wanted an easier way to attach the jib. The pin below offers one handed connections.
Steve, how did you insert that little photo of the bow shackle? Do you have to go through the process of adding it to an album, then pasting the link, or is there a way to just copy a low res image & paste it to the post?




edited by: Edchris177, Aug 28, 2010 - 11:13 AM

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Disregard Steve, I just remembered a line Damon wrote somewhere about saying the image only had to reside on the web. Alzheimers is a wonderful thing!

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What are these "beaches" that you speak of? We have water or rock and nothing in between. The nearest access is a boat ramp in a state park, at the end of a long narrow L-shaped channel. 90% of the time wind blows straight up the channel, so either going in or out, you're screwed. To make matters more fun, the lagoon is sheltered from the prevailing wind by a tall cliff about a mile away... eddies form around the cliff so gusts come from random directions out of relatively calm air.

I've been rigging everything on the trailer and hanking the sails on but not raising them before backing to the ramp. Sometimes I raise the jib in light air, or bungee-reef it if I'm too scared. Gotta raise the sails at the dock because the wind would blow me into the rocks on the other side of the channel before I could gain control, otherwise.

On rare occasions, the wind blows perpendicular to the dock. This is great overall, because it lets you reach up and down the river the long way, but I haven't found a graceful way of rigging in those conditions. Flying a hull at the dock is not too cool. Last time I tried it, I got the sails up, but as soon as I pushed clear of the dock, a gust came along and flew the boat entirely out of the water, onto the rocks. I actually ended up resting on the bows and the rudder tips, right next to my truck. (Gee, maybe if I act nonchalant, they'll think I did this on purpose...)

Another rule of docks is that nobody is around to see a perfectly executed docking maneuver, but a really bad one always has an appreciative audience. A couple of weeks ago, I made a perfect, first-try approach to the dock. I was gliding in perfectly, so released the sheets and scooted over to the dock side. I was actually reaching out to hand my painter to a friend on the dock... just as the guy in front of me gunned his zillion-horsepower motor to run up on his trailer. My H16 shot backwards out of the dock and clear across the lagoon, into the rocks on the far side.

hear you loud and clear toddster, I have pretty much encountered all your problems and more. Went to Stockton Lake, SW Missouri a few week-ends ago, heard it was the premier sailing lake in MO,...... for yachts yaah! The problem with trying a new lake out 1st time is that it usually is a recce run, checking out the area. I went to the state park public access ramp, concrete and more concrete, ramp, floating jetty in center of ramp, narrow access channel, cove protected by floating jetty acting as a water break to protect those ??????dollar yachts.

Like you, I rig in the parking lot, everything except the sail, bungee-reef the sail, back down the ramp, unfasten boat from trailer, put boat in water, fasten boat to jetty horn-cleat using my trap bungee cord, (I keep 2-3 different bungees on the tramp for emergency use) park truck and trailer, walk back to jetty, raise mainsail standing in water on slime-encrusted slippery ramp. Because this cove was protected on a lee shore from the wind, onthis occasion, I was able to turn the cat around facing the lake, walk it out along the jetty and step onto the tramp like a pro, paddled out for a short distance untill I felt some wind, eased along the very narrow channel and squeezed out between the break-water jetty that is staggered making things even more difficult, before hitting the main channel and finding wind.

The roller furling jib setup has turned out to be such a bonus for this trailer-sailor, I would highly recommend this setup to all in similar sailing situation, went back to Stockton last week-end and HOLA! found a soft sandy beach, many strange emotions came over me which I later realized were feelings of joy, sailed up on the beach and enjoyed it immensely, rolled on the soft sand and sunbathed, contentment.

Had an awesome day sailing that day, wind 15 mph, just perfect for a solo sailor, was able to trap out the entire width of the lake, blasting past those ??????dollar yachts who all eyeballed me enviously as I zipped past at 3 times their speed, payback can be such a beautiful bee-yach.



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I see you are selling that girlie boat & getting a real cojonnes ship
Solo on that 18 will be a whole bunch of fun. The only downside is you can't take advantage of all that power without another body hanging over the side.
Seriously, if my wife wouldn't kill me for cluttering up the waterfront with yet another boat, I'd like to have a smaller Cat for soloing on days when the wind makes my 5.7 to much. I find that righting it solo more than once per sail gets tiring... hmmm maybe I should become a better sailor?
I can go all day without tipping, if i power down & sail more conservatively, but the real fun is to go balls to the wall, torpedoes be damned! I used to take my little Invitation out in 50 clicks,(30 mph)& didn't care if I flipped 1/2 dozen times, righting was a non event. Maybe I should talk that old gent down the point into selling me his Hobie 17, I see it has furling jib & wings.

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