i just purchased my first catamaran (Prindle 16) and the it came with a brand new mesh tramp that i had to install. Took the boat out for the first time this weekend (what a blast) and noticed my knees and elbows were getting sore from the tramp. Questions are:
1)it appears the tramp has a fairly coarse mesh. Do they make different materials, some being more comfortable than others?
2)Any chance this will soften over time?


thanks
Todd

what ends up happening is your knees and elbows toughen up, kida like playing a guitar(calisus form). watch out for kneeling on lines(main/jib/travelor/tramp lacing) on the tramp, it can be like a meat grinder.

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there are vinyl tramps

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Everyone I sail with agrees that the mesh is more gentle on
the knees than vinyl. I personally like the vinyl because it
keeps you drier especially now as the water is starting to get cold. Anyone know if a vinyl tramp is available for the
P16?

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May I suggest knee pads, unless you have a problem with a candy striped tan.

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Ron
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i am sure you can get one made from an after market tramp maker. i prefer mesh as it lets water drip back.. and not puddle. also i believe it makes righting easier as the wind isn't pushing the boat down with the tramp... (as much)...

Many people wear knee (and some elbow) guards when sailing for that exact reason. not a bad idea. another method is to make sure you don't drag any open body part on the tramp as you move.. takes practice but very possible...

http://www.sailingproshop…-Pads__Musto_AS0630.aspx

If you wear knee pads, I think most class rules says that you have to have a hobie bob also.

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Yeah tramps will abrade your knees (and elbows). Generally there are lots of things on the boat that can potentially hurt. I usually wear a long sleeve rash guard on top and shorts and knee pads on the bottom and water shoes. Wet suit pants are better for keeping the boat from 'biting' you but if its hot they are not much fun.

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golfdad75

If you wear knee pads, I think most class rules says that you have to have a hobie bob also.

say whatttt?

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If you wear knee pads, I think most class rules says that you have to have a hobie bob also.

I you are not abraded, sunburned, and bleeding at the end of the day, you've not been sailing hard enough! Thats what beach coctails are for!

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say whatttt?

i think he is saying knee pads a floats are for sissys

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Yes he is. But the truth is that there is no rule that says you have to use the hobie bob. Instead they make you use sails with that ugly red/yellow/turquoise pattern that is stock on the wave and getaway. Seriously could they have gotten anymore 80s with it?

D.

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1986 Nacra 5.7 "Belle"
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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I don't find the tramp itself too bad, or the lacing, (I used Amsteel Dyneema, strong soft & slippery)it is the stitching around the edges of the tramp that are meat grinders. I just try not to slide around that area, but have a few abrasions to show for it.

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If you wear knee pads, I think most class rules says that you have to have a hobie bob also.

I you are not abraded, sunburned, and bleeding at the end of the day, you've not been sailing hard enough! Thats what beach coctails are for!

Amen brother

the first week after getting my boat on the water, i had carpet burns wilt chamberlin would be proud of...after the bloody stumps healed over, no more problems! try not to kneel on the lines!

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I have said since day 1:
if you aren't bleeding, you weren't sailing

I got up to the cottage today after blowing the best part of a week with the family in San Francisco,(they set a record for heat, 33C as we biked from pier 39 to Sausalito, Muir Woods & on to Tiburon, but their water would make our Eskimos hypothermic)& moving kids back to university.
The wind was 15, gusting to nearly 30, I went out with just the main, as some jib stuff is at the sail loft. You just can't make the speed minus the jib, so I started screwing around to see how fast I could tack & gybe. By the end of the hour I had two black marks on my wrist when I wasn't quick enough while gybing in 20+.
The only reason my knees were still intact was I wussed out & put on a wetsuit as it was overcast & cool. My wife was having none of it..."go enjoy the beating you will take, I'll have the wine opened & the jacuzzi full when you return."
It just isn't as much fun unless you are on the edge of swimming!



edited by: Edchris177, Sep 09, 2010 - 10:17 PM

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33C

seriously?

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The first day there it got to 28 ish, the next day was a high of 33C. That beat the old record of 32. The next day it was down to 19, & you couldn't see one iota of the bridge, the fog was rolling in below the trees.
I used to layover in Frisco quite a bit when i flew domestic,(we consider the States as part of the domestic network). I remember temps never getting above 20-25 ish & quite a bit of fog off the ocean. San Diego, only a hop as the crow flies was a totally different climate.
I was told the water under the GG bridge is around 45F, & the Bay stays a constant 54F, that is bloody cold, even for someone who spent 10 years in the high Arctic.
There were a few people with wetsuits swimming laps in the park just in front of Gharedelli (sp?)chocolate, next to the Presidio. Outside the breakwall the waves were 3' and solid whitecaps. There were a few lead sleds heeled over, & 2 kiteboarders ripping it up.
Ahhh forgot you guys work in that antiquated farenheit scale. We get the aviation reports in celcius, but I think all your public weather is still F
33C= 92F



edited by: Edchris177, Sep 10, 2010 - 02:05 PM

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i was referring to just the C

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One tramp notorious for carpet burn is a SuperCat tramp, which is a bigger mesh then most. I have a mesh tramp on my H18 now and don't have much problem, have had vinyl tramps in the past also. But a weekend on a Supercat mesh tramp will have you bleeding unless you are well protected. Thankfully the SC20 boom is high enough you can get under it without dragging across the tramp, unlike a H16 for example. The Supercat tramp will chew your wetsuit up also if you aren't careful.

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Hobie Bob's may be too masculine, Murrays sells a Hobie Betty.

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its easy and fun to make fun of a float at the top of a mast, but

it beats going turtle, even once! and lifetime cat sailors use and swear by them ... i have respect for them... (but they are an easy target to make fun of for sure)

C'mon Andrew, fess up. What was so heinous that you had to change your name?
Did you undergo a sex change operation, come out of the closet? Ex trying to hunt you down for 1/2 your Cat?
I'm open to dialog with others no matter what their leanings, hell I wish 80% of men were g.a.y, just think the women would HAVE to fight over the rest of us!
Now, the thought of you trying to sail your cat as a monohull is funny, in a sick sort of way.



edited by: Edchris177, Sep 11, 2010 - 11:18 AM

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No he was caught with a hobie bob on that mystere

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golfdad75

No he was caught with a hobie bob on that mystere

haha.. we have one on our beech :) on a 6.o

i had to make it less obvious to my employer that i frequent these forums. even though it only takes a few minutes, it doesn't look good

Hear ya bud! But I liked the hobie bob and pink mainsail theory better! Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)

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Thankfully the SC20 boom is high enough you can get under it without dragging across the tramp, unlike a H16 for example.

This reminded me that my h16 had a hound on the boom. i think it was for a boom vang. That thing took out a few crew members and even the skipper (me) one time...

I have a Slo sails mesh tramp and never noticed it hurt my skin, crew has never complained. It seems the original, now failed, Prindle tramp was more course.

HaHA Andrew, BUSTED!
You have to be careful, many employers also utilize monitoring software, to keep track of where employees surf. Getting caught can be a career limiting event.
Hey, I'll take you up on your offer of those little springs for the cam cleat. My traveler cleat wouldn't hold yesterday, so we tied it to the tramp lacing,(now I know why I used 1/4" dyneema!) so that it had about 8" movement from center. The wind was 25 mph, as recorded on the buoy just down the bay, & the seas were crazy. A strong front had passed & the waves were 3', from two different directions. When they meet you get 4+' vertical waves, sometimes only a foot or two apart. I couldn't believe how the boat emulated a mechanical bull. We still went nearly full power, I'm amazed nothing broke, both hulls were under water at times, right up to the tramp, rooster tails off the main beam. We both got washed off the hull while trapped out,twice, it's quite a gymnastic event to attempt to head up when you are both overboard being drug by the harness! My buddy is yelling "head up" - Fool,I would if I still had hold of the tiller. "Release some power" - can't man, don't have the main sheet either, hang on, it's still cleated, I think we can save it.
That was my 33rd day on the boat this summer, & the wildest ride ever. Technically we never dumped. In one crazy wave set, combined with that of a large boat wake, & a sudden drop in wind, we slow motion flipped, INTO the wind. We both went off the windward hull as it went over, but just as the I was thinking, damn we have to right it & the mast was horizontal about 4' off the water, a gust hit & flipped the boat upright. We were still attached by the hooks, & scrambled aboard, hunted down lines & blasted off again. I'm still stiff this morning.
I'll send you a PM & some cash for a couple of those springs, can't find them here..



edited by: Edchris177, Sep 12, 2010 - 10:09 AM

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Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.0
Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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