HEY guys, iam new to Beachcats and would like to say hello! I have a 78' 18 Hobie. My question is what kind of cat is called the HOTWAVE! in JAWS2? it was a blue boat.. I thought I saw a sizzler and a Nacra.... also what happened to their fate? thanx Chris

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I'd have to watch the movie again but there was indeed a Sizzler and some other rare cats. Seems like I remember an Aqua Cat. Whatever they were the kids didn't spend much time actually sailing them, mostly screaming and falling off.

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A sizzler and 2 tornados. I think the tornados are still out there somewhere. I think the sizzler was sacrificed to the shark.

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I bought the two Tornados about 20 years ago (Friedericsens made in Denmark). The sails were lying on the ground and eaten by the squirrels. They came on a hugh trailer in shape of an A with each "T" lying against side of A. Still have them. Pete

Now THAT is awesome. How much would one of those run? :)

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Pete you should post up some pics!

So is it just me or does everyone who sails cats have to water the 2 movies with cataramans in them whenever they are on? Of course I mean Jaws 2 and ... I will give a cookie to the first person who can name the second one and the type of cat that was in it. I bet it will take less than 5 minutes.

D.

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The Tornados now have hard decks (in place of tramp area) of 3/8" nomex honeycomb & carbon fiber with thin layer black carpet over. Ads 40 lbs. Tramps were then moved forward---makes a nice four person cruising boat as they're not really competitive race boats anymore. Sails are very nice (came with my Marstrom). $2000 each plus extra for trailer. Sorry, not into pics as too busy. Pete

Wolfman

So is it just me or does everyone who sails cats have to water the 2 movies with cataramans in them whenever they are on? Of course I mean Jaws 2 and ... I will give a cookie to the first person who can name the second one and the type of cat that was in it. I bet it will take less than 5 minutes.

D.

Thomas Crown, Formula 40
I want my cookie hand delivered . . .

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the tri in waterworld is pretty bitchin'

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There was also a Hobie in The Firm, though beached and not sailing.

Thomas Crowne is correct, but they were actually 34 ft long D Type cats made to break speed records in the 80s. No cookie for you!

You are correct about Waterworld unfortunately it is painful to watch. At least the other 2 were good movies and the boats actually worked.

Didn't know about the firm, but I'm not sure if it counts if the boat wasn't sailing.

D.

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Thomas Crowne is not correct. It's The Thomas Crown Affair.
I like oatmeal raisin.

Still got the boat wrong.

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Wolfman

Thomas Crowne is correct, but they were actually 34 ft long D Type cats made to break speed records in the 80s. No cookie for you!
D.

Dave,

Don't trust every thing you read on the internet! It's Formula 40, We sail and talk regularly with two of the sailors who were on the boat, Mark Murray who can been seen skippering my old N20, and Randy Smyth. These guys sail in our area and we mix it up on the course all the time... so make it chocolate chip or oatmeal raisin.

Next time dig a little deeper . . .
http://www.prosail.com/about.html
http://www.boat-charters.…s/Avalon/crewprofile.htm
http://www.thebeachcats.c…ms/viewtopic/topic/11994

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Well you got me there. Double chocolate macadamia it is then.

D.

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So you are both right, one boat (White Thomas Crowne boat with Randy Smyth really driving) was a Formula 40 and the yellow boat was a D class. Watch the video and you can see they are two different type cats.
http://video.google.com/v…omas+Crown+Affair&hl=en#

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Not so fast. Both boats were Prosail Formula 40's (40 ft.) and yes they are different, and yes they're D class. I trust the source, Randy, Mark and Prosail.

So what's all this nonsense with D Class? It's vague I tell ya. Probably the result of webcrawlers and aggregators. IMBd gets it wrong all the time, and from there it has snowballed. So what is the D class? Hydroptere is a D class and she is 79 ft. long. D class is confusing even to the rank and file catamaran elite. Some see it as an old expensive developmental class chasing speed records. Some define it as 32-36 ft and up with 300-500 sqft of sails. You can further confuse yourself by enriching your knowledge base here:
http://www.sailspeedrecor…m/500-metre-records.html
see Gino Morrelli http://www.morrellimelvin.com/team/
A,B.C... http://www.aita.asn.au/in…al-information&Itemid=34
http://forums.sailinganar…ndex.php?showtopic=96680
http://forums.sailinganar…ndex.php?showtopic=96680

back to the original question, what type of cat? Formula 40. . . . I'm happy with double chocolate macadamia!



Edited by mummp on May 19, 2011 - 01:37 PM.

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mummp

http://www.sailspeedrecor…m/500-metre-records.html

Come on be serious, I'm sure you know the A B C D classes for speed sailing records have nothing to do with Catamaran classes. Unless you believe that an A-Class cat has named Longshot has hit over 40 knots.

The D-Class catamarans were part of an early system of cat classes, which only a couple actually made it. The A-Class is still around and the C-Class is the measurement rule for the "Little Americas Cup" cats. Before the Tornado was selected for the Olympics there were quite a few B-Class (20x10) cats as well, but the Tornado become the only one that mattered with the Olympic connection.

Somewhere I've got an article that explains the history of each class better.

Anyway, here's a video of the yellow boat sailing in Turkey, not a Prosail 40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFlZumn-P4

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Point is, someone needs to make a serious cat-sailing movie to fully satiate the members of this board. Anyone got a friend at Warner Bros?



Edited by Headhunter on May 19, 2011 - 02:12 PM.

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Point is, someone needs to make a serious cat-sailing movie to fully satiate the members of this board. Anyone got a friend at Warner Bros?Edited by Headhunter on May 19, 2011 - 02:12 PM.

True that, I once bought a VHS copy of a terrible Sissy Spacek chick flic named "Violets Are Blue" because it was supposed to have Hobie sailing in it.

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I sat through Wind. 'nuff said.

The perfect storm was OK. Actually no it wasn't, trite story line and fake looking CGI. Besides, no sails.

Summer rental was a good sailing movie! :) I always wanted to see someone win a race by 'flying thier pants'. Besides John Candy was in it.



Edited by Wolfman on May 19, 2011 - 03:38 PM.

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How many movies are out there that have Hobies or just cat sailing in them? Ill rent em all!!! Heck,, I named my Hobie ''HOTWAVE'' from the movie JAWS 2! talk about inspiration!! even though hotwave was a Tornado.

In the Thomas Crowne Affair if you listen the director commentary on the DVD they discuss the boats, during the boating scene in the movie. I think it is there that they mention they were built in the 80's by aeronautical engineers or something like that. Been a few years since I watched the DVD, and few more then that since I watched it with the directory commentary on..... But that might be where the D class cat info came from.

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Anyway, here's a video of the yellow boat sailing in Turkey, not a Prosail 40.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFlZumn-P4

On the other hand, whoever wrote the text on the ProSail website certainly thought both boats were Prosail 40's.
http://prosail.com/about.html

On the other hand that site doesn't have much info and hasn't been updated for over 10 years.

What I've been looking for is an actual list of the boats entered in the Prosail 40 series, which only lasted a couple of seasons during 1989-90. I'm thinking that not all the boats were purpose built for the series and maybe existing D-Class boats (like the yellow boat) fit their rule close enough to race. And probably all the Prosail 40's met the definition of D-Class.

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Look real close in Jaws 2, they are sailng during January

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Just watced "I am Number 4" (now in stores) and they have a cat (I think Hobie) in the opening scene... Sort of a blooper actually....the background changes too quickly from 'boat sailing' to 'boat beached and nobody on it....ha...don't try to slip that by a cat lover.



Edited by Beest on Jul 03, 2011 - 06:45 PM.

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Wolfman

So is it just me or does everyone who sails cats have to water the 2 movies with cataramans in them whenever they are on? Of course I mean Jaws 2 and ... I will give a cookie to the first person who can name the second one and the type of cat that was in it. I bet it will take less than 5 minutes.

D.

Bruce Brown's "The Endless Summer" (1966) featured Pacific Cats being sailed in Hawaii during a 3-4 minute beach cat segment. Excellent footage that included a guy "trapezing" by hand (I guess they didn't use harnesses back then).

White chocolate macadamia nut, please.

Hey Bri, i caught a clip of that on fuel TV last night too! all i saw was what looked like a 22 footer big wooden cat cruising. very cool. and sometime well screw around on the traps with our hands when we dont bring the harnesses out on calm days. or winds just pick up

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There is also a hobie cat in Caddyshack. It's only in a shot for a second when everyone is trying to get out of the way of Rodney Dangerfield's yacht.

The best sailing movie IMO is Captain Ron. How can you argue with logic like "If anything's gonna happen, it's gonna happen out there".

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Last week i had the pleasure of sailing off of Chicago's Navy pier. I thought i was in Caddy shack! it was nutty every A hole with a boat was zinging past my dwarfed H18

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