It's a pretty cool boat It's amazing that a 19 year old designed it wish I knew the whole story.. but It's a solid boat and it weighs only 690 bls.

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So does anyone want to RACE? hheheheehhttps://picasaweb.google.…thuser=0&feat=directlink



Edited by soulofasailor on Nov 15, 2011 - 09:11 AM.

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Did you get the one in Atlanta? Send photos.

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Nice boat!
We had 12 people on one at Roosevelt Lake, after the full moon came up about 10 PM. The wind was about 6 knots, everybody had a frozen drink of some sort and the party was great!

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Here are some Photos yes it was from Atlanta!



Edited by soulofasailor on Nov 15, 2011 - 09:20 PM.

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Congrats on the boat man! That thing's cool as hell.

Yeap Thanks man! It was alot of work to set it up my head was spinning when the guy was showing us how to set it up! But i did video tape it! I want to take it up to Lake Erie in the COLD! But i am still pondering that thought a little! :) Cant wait for spring! I am now hunting down any OWNERS i know there is not a lot of them!

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Awesome cat! one thing that stood out to me is the way the tramp fits under the dolphin stryker, puts quite an indentation in the tramp, never seen that before. But a totally awesome cat, I'm up for a race...

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Yes lets do it :)

Now i have to figure out where to dry dock it at! But it was cool we went out for a test sail! it was a small lake, it might have been blowin i dont know puffs of 4knots of wind! On my Droid GPS i got 7 knots! I was like freaking WOW"" it was cool cant wait!

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You were smart to video the setup! An R21 has a bit of setup above and beyond the average beach cat. The guy that owned the one I sailed on rigged a head in the aft of one hull and a stove in the other. He would sleep inside the hulls- joking that he didn't mind sleeping at attention. Your photo makes it look roomy enough for a cozy twosome.
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Oh yes i took pictures too so this winter I can replay in my head all the little stuff! It's ok I'm am sure I will drink beer while rigging maybe even meet some new friends in this process.. but the net was the biggest thing because It's new! Crisp. It needs to be worked in. And it should be fine.. I got a reacher with the boat.. so it almost comes back to stern. He even showed me how that works also.. but the no wind sailing was just what i wanted to see. Makes it totally cool and why I say NO more mono here. :-

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Nice pics and video. That looks like a lot of room on that tramp.

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Yeap but i think i need to fix bottom of hull it has blisters, http://qik.com/45896796/ef346ec1

see if you can see them! its on both hulls

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Pennsylvania, PA.
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was this boat moored? If so a lot of those blisters will disappear as it dries out.

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So you don't think I need to do anything with it???.

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1988 Farrier 27 # 31
2002 Hobie Getaway
Pennsylvania, PA.
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Sand the hulls to open up the blisters. Keep the hulls warm and dry for a month. Coat with quality marine epoxy, 2 coats recommended. Sand lightly, and apply bottom paint. If the boat will always be drysailed you might get by skipping the epoxy coats, and using a couple coats of epoxy paint. I used Easypoxy if I recall. The key is to get the blisters opened, and allow the ALL moisture to escape. The warmer and drier the immediate environment, the faster that occurs. If it's not all out, the blisters will return, regardless of the quality/integrity of the barrier coat.
We're working on a hull this winter, and are going to open up the blisters, and build a box around the hull out of 2" styrofoam insulation, taped together, with a 1500 watt heater ducted into one end of the box, and a vent at the other end, and run the heater for a month.

Dave

im thinking in bringing in one hull at a time in my garage! to sand it fix it i could build something to craddle the deck so bottom is UP!

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Sand the hulls to open up the blisters. Keep the hulls warm and dry for a month. Coat with quality marine epoxy, 2 coats recommended. Sand lightly, and apply bottom paint. If the boat will always be drysailed you might get by skipping the epoxy coats, and using a couple coats of epoxy paint. I used Easypoxy if I recall. The key is to get the blisters opened, and allow the ALL moisture to escape. The warmer and drier the immediate environment, the faster that occurs. If it's not all out, the blisters will return, regardless of the quality/integrity of the barrier coat.
We're working on a hull this winter, and are going to open up the blisters, and build a box around the hull out of 2" styrofoam insulation, taped together, with a 1500 watt heater ducted into one end of the box, and a vent at the other end, and run the heater for a month.

Dave

It is really the worst that can happen to grp, it means the boat was insufficiently cured, ie to low a temperature. this is why you got a good deal. search your complete boat for any types of blisters and get them fixed. I'd actually grind the complete boat down to the fibre beneath the waterline and coat the complete hull in a epoxy paint. Be sure with your repair now, or next winter you'll be doing it again!

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im thinking in bringing in one hull at a time in my garage! to sand it fix it i could build something to craddle the deck so bottom is UP!

Build a forward cradle by holding a 2" x 8" just above the deck about 2' forward or the main beam, and scribe the deck curvature onto the wood, then cut with a sabre saw. Cover with a couple of layers of scrap carpet. The rear cradle can be a straight piece of the same, carpetted. and it can land in the rear beam cradle of the hull. Then build these up to the heights necessary to have the opening nacelle just clear the floor, kinda like short saw horses.
The boatis quite stable in this position, it's easy to work on the hull below waterline, and when you apply the epoxy barrier coat and bottom paint, it'll have minimal tendency to run.

Dave

well my other problem might be how do i get the waterline correct and somewhat even? I can see it with the discolor line but i guess ill figure it out!

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Pennsylvania, PA.
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If it were me, today, I'd use a laser level. Set the hull upside down, check it is vertical and measure the WL heights above the ground at the bow and at the stern, adjust with shims until even. When painting you can then set up the laser level so it projects a line through those two exact points, the rest will be projected by the laser, make sure the laser is at the same height as the WL, ie: the light is not shining down from a huge tripod, particularly if set up close by!
Or you could measure and then use an aquarium air tube or regular hose (transparent) partially filled with water to set the line. Hold (tie it off or put a brick on it) one end above the bow and the other end up in the air. Fill until the water level is at the measured height. Use the loose end to mark the new water line wherever you please.

yeap trying to make room in garage this cold air is killing my energy level! i got to do this before the snow hits
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http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=107933

reynolds 21

Most notable to Reynolds design credits is his R21 Cat. Reynolds, then age 22, built over 50 of these boats back in 1978 and 1979 before selling the company to pursue the windsurfing market.

Twenty years later many still actively sail the Reynolds 21 Catamaran. A successful design, the Reynolds 21 was clocked at 12 knots in 15 knots of wind at the PMA Worlds in 1978. Not bad for a 1000 lbs boat that had sleeping accommodations for 4 adults and was only 21 feet long.

stilletto 27

Stiletto was conceived and designed as a trailerable high performance coastwise cruiser, a concept that has resulted in unparalleled versatility. Trailering her is a breeze and two people can set her up for sailing in just over one hour. Her shoal draft (9 inches) and kick-up rudders means you can safely sail her right up onto the beach. With head, berths, galley. Sleeping tent and other amenities, Stiletto is a catamaran cruiser's dream.

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Stiletto was conceived and designed as a trailerable high performance coastwise cruiser, a concept that has resulted in unparalleled versatility. Trailering her is a breeze and two people can set her up for sailing in just over one hour. Her shoal draft (9 inches) and kick-up rudders means you can safely sail her right up onto the beach. With head, berths, galley. Sleeping tent and other amenities, Stiletto is a catamaran cruiser's dream.

Says it all really :)

yes pretty much the same concept here, I am currently working on getting my hull in my garage! It is not to heavy but light enough and unbalanced for 2 people to walk it in of trailer so i have to figure out something else!

So i had to go get the trailer weighed before i can get it inspected to get it registered in PA. my truck weighs 6650, i took trailer with boat on it to get weighed they weighed truck and trailer,, that came to 7500 so 7500-6650 and that = 850 so boat from an ad i have said displacement is 690 for boat

so 850-690 is 160 so my trailer only weighs 160 lbs? WOW that just doesn't seem right, do you guys think that is correct?

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1988 Farrier 27 # 31
2002 Hobie Getaway
Pennsylvania, PA.
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No, use common sense. Displacement is not weight. If your anal about the trailer weight take the boat off and drive it to the scales. If you just want to get it registered, just give them a number. They will be happy with what ever weight you give them.

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SO then explain it then!

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Well displacment is the amount of water that your hulls move when it is in the water. Your boat does not sit on top of the water so the amount of water that is displaced or moved is displacement. So obviously weight of the hulls and displacement would not be related.
I know that is simple but that is how I explain it to my ninth graders.

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So how would you find out how much BOAT weighs?

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soulofasailor

So how would you find out how much BOAT weighs?

Soul, that question has already been answered. See my reply above. Take the boat off the trailer and get the trailer weighed. Once you know the weight of the trailer you will know the weight of the boat. (Clarification: Boat weight includes sails, running rigging, standing rigging, tillers, cross beams, spins, boards, rudders, etc. --EVERYHING) Another route is to completely set up the boat, put it on 4 scales and sum the 4 weights (must be no wind). That will get you darn close. There are other ways to weigh it (ie. load cell) but this process is the simplest most direct cost effective route.

. . .anyway, who really cares what it weighs, you're gonna have iced down beer, fried chicken and chicks on it aren't you?

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Hahaha I hope so hell yes! Ok then that will not be done then with weighing her I am just trying to figure out how much ONE hull weighs... I have to get it in my garage and flip it over so i can do the bottom!

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I really think your numbers are all wrong, but who cares. Sail it and have fun.

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I've always felt that the advertised weight for the 21 was low, mine was near 1000 lbs all up. When I pulled a hull off the trailer we were 4 guys, and that was managable. Have your cradles built and in place. When the hull comes off the trailer you can set it on the keel, and gently lay it over on its side. With the nacelle secured in the closed position and some blankets on the ground, begin to roll it onto the nacelle, and lift the hull up in the inverted position, and walk it to the cradles.

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So obviously weight of the hulls and displacement would not be related.

They certainly are related. The displaced water has exactly the same mass as the object that displaced it, Archimedes Principle.
You must remember that it is not just the hull, but the entire mass of what you threw into the water.
Example: 2 hulls have a total mass of exactly 200 kilograms (440lbs, I'm using metric because the math is so much simpler than that archaic system you continue to use, in fact so simple a caveman...) If you throw them in the lake, they will displace exactly 200 litres of water,(1 litre weighs 1 kg). You are correct in saying they don't sit on top of the water. Archimedes Principle says they sink, & displace water. They contnue to sink, & displace water,until the amount of water displaced exactly equals the mass of the boat.
In the example above, we have displaced 200 litres, which has a mass of 200kg. Now, a rather rotund friend, with a mass of 150kg comes down, & jumps onto the boat. What happens? The boat sinks further, & displaces more water. How much more? Another 150 litres, which again has a mass of 150kg.
So, when you launch your Cat, it is not just the hulls mass that counts. It is the entire mass of the boat,ie, hulls, beer, mast ,sails,people etc. The boat sinks until the mass of water displaced exactly equals the mass of the loaded boat.
This is not Grade Nine, this principle was used by Archimedes & demonstrated when i was in Grade 5 science.
You take a container & place a toy boat hull in it.Set this apparatus inside a larger container. Completely fill the container containg the toy boat, right to the brim. Gently drop an object into the toy boat. The boat will sink & diplace water, that will run over the edge into the second container. Take this container, with the displaced water, & pour the displaced water into a graduated cylinder. Lets say the cylinder shows 454 milli litres of water. Again the metric system makes it simple. An ml of water has a mass of 1 gram, so 454ml has a mass of 454 grams. We know that 454 grams = 1 lb, so the object you dropped into the toy boat weighs exactly 1 lb.
The only cause for confusion will be in how the manufacturer defined displacement. Did they mean the max displacement legally allowed, that is with a max load of people/gear?
Or did they mean the displacement of the boat rigged for sailing? If the boat rigged for sailing displaces 200 litres, then it weighs 200kg.
And you guys thought physics was boring, or useless?



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Another route is to completely set up the boat, put it on 4 scales and sum the 4 weights (must be no wind)

You don't even need 4 scales, two, or even one will be pretty close. When hiway stations weigh big trucks they rarely are able to place the entire truck on the scale. They drive up & weigh part of the truck, then pull forward & weigh the next axle & so on.
You can do the same. You need your boat on a level surface. Lift the stern & place scale under both stern points, sum the two readings. Do it again for the bow points, add that sum to the stern sum & you will be very close. You can even do it with one scale, & take a reading at each corner.
Try it with a 16' 4x4. Place a scale under one end, then the other end. The sum of the two readings will be the same as if you stood the beam on end on the scale. On a cheap scale they won't agree exactly, because of scale error & your inabilty to exactly read each measurement, but it will be close.



Edited by Edchris177 on Dec 21, 2011 - 03:23 AM.

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the z-21 is basically an r21 afaik

so 300-400lbs per hull?, say 350...

specs

LOA: 21' 0"

LWL: 20' 2"

Beam: 11' 0"

Beam (On Trailer): 8' 6"

Deck (Trampoline) Area: 120 s.f.

Displacement: 925 lbs.

Draft (Boards Down): 3' 0"

Draft (Boards Up): 0' 8"

Mast Height: 29' 0"

Mainsail: 190 s.f.

Jib: 66 s.f.

Screacher: 178 s.f.

Berths: 4

Auxiliary: 5 h.p. Outboard

Estimated PHRF Rating: Low 80's

WOW thats some nice math there, well i was just wanting a estimate to go on and if they weighed my intire load i subtract the number of my truck from my door! You know they have the weight of the vehicle there?

And yes they weighed my truck and trailer at the same time! it was a huge SCALE! it was like 2 min. form home. ALL is good well this boat must be less then the Z21 becasue i was left with 1500 bls with boat and trailer so you subtract 1500 from what ever number u want that is a Light boat ! for 21 ft. if u ask me!
Just to dam heavy for 1 or 2 people!

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I'm using metric because the math is so much simpler than that archaic system you continue to use,

Why is it that whenever you post you want to help but sound so condescending. That archaic system by the way developed the most powerful country on Earth.

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That archaic system by the way developed the most powerful country on Earth.

........up to their eyeballs in debt to the Chinese?????.........

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That archaic system by the way developed the most powerful country on Earth.

Sorry Golf, no offence was intended.
I do stand by the old British system as being archaic. Had the British not won the war when America was still a colony,you too would be using metric (SI), as does nearly the entire world.
The US exports lots of stuff, all of which has to be converted for international trade. If people knew the true cost of using the Imperial system, they would bite the bullet & make the change. Short term pain for long term gain. England used to be the de facto world power, boasting an Empire on which the sun never set. They continue to cling to remnants of the old system, 'nuff said.
Think back to how much time was wasted in grade school memorizing things like 12"=1ft, 5280'=1 mile,(how many yards was that).
16.5' equals a rod, I think 3 rods,(maybe 4) equals a chain, & 1 chain pulled over 1/2 a mile,(can't remember offhand how many feet are in 1/2 mile) will give you an acre.
2 pints to a quart, I can't remember how many of those equals a peck, but I think 4 pecks = a bushel. Now a few teaspoons equal an ounce, but depending if you use the Imperial or US gallon, the number of ounces varies, & just how much mass is in a cup, pint,gallon or cubic yard of water?
You need to cut some threads for a Nacra mast ball. The DS is 9/16", so you need to drill a hole of 33/64ths,(WTF I don't have that bit in my toolbox) then cut national fine threads,which are how many to an inch?
When I go to do up those fittings, through experience i know that if 1/2" is to small it might be 9/16, but what if that is to big? What are the 32nds or 64ths wrenches in between...much easier to grab a 10 mm,too small, get the 11m or 12mm, there is never any mental gymnastics involved.
Just how tall is a horse that stands 17 hands? My hands, yours, Jethroes?
The system is so complex that most people constantly get it wrong. How many times do you hear folks referring to "weight" as lbs? As in my boat weights 375 lbs. when lbs is actually a unit of force. The measure of mass in that system is "stone".
The system was developed when all people had to measure with were their feet, hands, field rocks, & other implements of the bronze age. We don't build roads the way the Romans did. There is no reason not to progress, otherwise we would all be pulling our Hobie 14s to the lake with ox carts.
Many might argue that it doesn't matter, but it does, big time. The mixing/confusion of improper units is akin to mixing concrete. Mixing improper ingredients, or the wrong values of ingredients does not yield concrete, it yields disaster.
You already use the metric system for money, 10 pennies gives you another unit,(dime). Ten of those gives the next unit,($), & 10 A. Hamiltons gets you a Franklin.
The entire metric system is that easy, kids learn it in 10 minutes, & never forget as there are no multitudes of archane values to memorize. The proof is in the pudding, I showed a method to get a very accurate value for the mass of an object that requires no pencils, calculators, or math. The project could be easily & cheaply scaled to weigh large objects with a simple dunk tank.

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This is like History class 1790s wow i wasn't born yet! :) this conversation was started yet either! ***GRIN**

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back in the day i remember working on the tail fin of a 747 and finding out that my 3/8 spanner was a size too big

so what's 1 size down?

2/8 is a 1/4, that was too small

but 3/8 is also 6/16 so maybe it was 5/16

but that was small too

so it was back down in the cherry picker for that very rare aircraft spanner

1 size up from the 5/16, which is also 10/32

11/32!

when you are tired it just much easier to think 5,6,7,8mm...

Well you were certainly over my head but it was interesting reading. "The kids learn it in 10 minutes and never forget" however I can speak as an authority "balderdash "( to use an archaic English term) You obviously are not a high school math teacher.
I did tell my students once that we were going on metric time 10 sec to a min, 10 min to 1 hour, 10 hours to a day, 10 weeks to a month, 10 months to a year. Thy bought it. Parents called and wanted to know when the switch.
With an ox cart I wouldn't need beach wheels so I guess we haven't progressed.

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All I know is that my Nacra 5.2 was faster than my buddy's Hobie 16 so there must be something better about the metric system. I am stuck with the old system but I have to admit that tools are a lot easier to figure out when you are working in metric units.
What I think is funny is that I have pretty much forgotten all the conversion formulas. I know that 10 Km is equal to 6.2 miles and do the math that way. I know that 5.0 meters is about 16 feet and some change. That's about as far as my math goes for converting.

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we used to have a "fathom" club

if you could stand in a fathom of water and the top of your head was dry, you were a "fathom"

if you couldn't do that, you were a "blot"

What r you talkin about now ""erice"" ???? explain

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Fathom is 6 feet right? I find it pretty easy to use either system

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The metric system is easier in almost all respects, and I no longer hang my patriotism on the English system.
The Brits gave us "hands" and "feet" and then bailed on the entire thing for the millimeter.
The US officially adopted the metric system as legal measurement in 1866, the year after the Civil War ended.
We're just a little slow on the uptake.

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looking around the house i noticed pretty much everything has standard and metric units on them, it's here to stay for sure...they use the metric where it really counts like the hospitals(they don't measure drugs by the teaspoon anymore)...now you can measure soccer players by centimeters and kilos but in america we like to hear our football and basketball players in good old fashion terms...take damon, for example, he's like 6'29" or so...it sound cooler when you hear your team has 2 seven footers!!! hell, you need both sets of sockets to do a job because one or more of each is missing and the others will work anyway. the good thing about standard measurements in construction is it keeps your fraction skills sharp for important things like estimating how much beer is left in the keg...1/3?, 2/3?,...and so on. hope this clears things up! oh, and music is on the fraction scale too...very important...

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In forestry and surveying we measure in chains. There are 80 chains in a mile. Also, a chain is 66 feet.
Stew on that a while.

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Isn't a standard road allowance 1 chain? We used to timber cruise in board feet, & though you still buy hardwood that way, I think our guys now measure standing timber in cubic meters.
Way back when I was doing engineering work for water projects, Canada converted its surveys to metric. That was about a 4 year delay after implementation of the system. From that date all surveys/blueprints had to be submitted in metric. The long stick that the field guys ran around with taking "shots" was called a rod, hence they were rodmen. I think it was 16 1/2', hence 4 of them equaled a chain. When conducting precision surveys, usually for the design of spillways in dams, the "chaining" had to be accurate. We hooked a scale to one end of the "chain",(which was not actually a chain, but a steel tape resembling a sewer snake. It was then stretched to 40lbs tension, & the temperature taken to account for thermal expansion. Measurements were taken from a tack driven into a 2x2 hub. The tack had a pinhole in the center, from which the measurement was initiated.
No one had a "metric rod" for shooting stadia at the time so myself & two colleagues were tasked with designing one. After several days the eureka moment struck, we didn't have to invent anything, just have the stadia side of the rod painted in 1/10 of a meter increments, alternating black/red for visibility. The transit X hairs & declination angles would work exactly the same as before, only the results would be meters instead of yards. The front side would have a centimeter tape for precision shots.
In practice it turned out to be much better than the old system. Because everything was based on multiples of 10, you could convert the shot into meters in your head, as you recorded it. The old way you had to count inches & feet, then run it through a formula.
That was in the old days, instrument men today just click a button on their Theodolites, & the numbers get crunched. Gone are the days of yelling out readings to note takers, & having them plot on a plane table as the rodmen walked the grids. Even though I did that work for 4 years, I still have to think about an acre, it's 43 thousand some odd square feet, so how many gallons or cubic yards of water do you store with a 1500 acre feet system?
The metric system is just so much easier, even 30 odd years later I can crunch those numbers in my head. Unless you have suffered a stroke it is hard to forget how to manipulate 10's, 100's or 1000's. I still wonder what the guy was smoking when he came up with water freezing at 32F & boiling at 212F. Tell a kid 0 & 100, they never forget it.
Probably one of the most common tasks is premix gas/oil for two strokes. If you need 50:1 how many ounces do you add to a 5 gal can? What about the odd engine that wants 32:1? With metric you do the math in your head, to borrow a line from Philip, so easy a caveman...

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Probably one of the most common tasks is premix gas/oil for two strokes. If you need 50:1 how many ounces do you add to a 5 gal can? What about the odd engine that wants 32:1? With metric you do the math in your head, to borrow a line from Philip, so easy a caveman...

You are making things way too hard, You buy 5 of those little bottles.

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the good thing about standard measurements in construction is it keeps your fraction skills sharp for important things like estimating how much beer is left in the keg...1/3?, 2/3?,...and so on.

I feel your pain, brother!
I prefer optimism, so the keg is always half full!

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so the keg is always half full!

You are lucky. We bring those 10 & 20 litre kegs of good German beer back from Munich or Frankfurt...they always seem to be empty! Accentuating the positive, they are much more convenient on a Cat, the only way to cool the 60L models is in a cut off 50 gal drum.

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You are making things way too hard, You buy 5 of those little bottles.

Those are hard to find here, & you could buy a 2nd Cat with what they cost, compared to jugs. One must also remember that there are at least two sizes of gallons, the Imperial being 20% larger than the US gal.
I think the only place that stocks them is the Stihl chainsaw dealer. I still have a large 2 stroke in the fleet, we buy oil in 5 litre jugs.
Jerry cans only hold 23 litres, or 30 for the large ones, makes for awkward numbers in gallons, & awkward mixing. Small tools such as weed eaters & chainsaws don't use much fuel. In order to prevent problems resulting from stale fuel we generally only mix 4 or 5 litres (1 of your gallons, 1 of our gallons respectively) for a season, using something like Shell V-Power, as it contains no ethanol. If I ever forgot that 100ml in 5000ml (5L) equals 50:1 then I must have died! No matter what size batches you are mixing, 20ml to each litre can be done in your head. Years ago I had a Bingo chart, listing ounces on one axis & gallons/quarts on another, but the damned thing always seemed to be missing when you needed it.
Some day Uncle Sam will find the political balls to implement what the rest of the world uses, & you will wonder why such a good idea was so long coming.



Edited by Edchris177 on Dec 23, 2011 - 05:12 PM.

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Ok, this thread is entirely hijacked! Unless maybe that Reynolds 21 was built with the metric system.

To continue with the hijack.

Here's the thing, all my life the question I get from strangers is "How tall are you?" The answer, since I was 16 years old, has been 6 ft 7 inches.

If I had been born in one of those ferrin countries who don't understand good ole amerkin feet and inches, what would be the answer?

2006.6 millimeteres
200.66 centimeters
20.066 decimeters
2.0066 meters
0.0020066 kilometers perhaps?

Basketball is pretty popular in some parts of Europe, in the USA it gets mentioned if a team has a "7 footer" in the middle. What's the standard for a really tall player with the metric system?

Hey Hans, did you see that team Europa just signed a 2.1336 meters'r?

Just don't seem right.

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The answer, since I was 16 years old, has been 6 ft 7 inches.

You should say "2 metres,& I weigh 16 stone" look them in the eye, or down in the eye I guess and say nothing more. It might be fun to watch the mental gymnastics as they try to figure out what the hell 'yo be takin 'bout boy? I bet they go easy on the "boy".
Merry Christmas to all, wish I could be sailing, the wind at my place was 15kts, but the water was 5C,.. er make that 41F



Edited by Edchris177 on Dec 23, 2011 - 06:16 PM.

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Yeap Thanks man! It was alot of work to set it up my head was spinning when the guy was showing us how to set it up! But i did video tape it! I want to take it up to Lake Erie in the COLD! But i am still pondering that thought a little! :) Cant wait for spring! I am now hunting down any OWNERS i know there is not a lot of them!

I've got a 1984 Reynolds 21, and it is a blast!!! I am new to sailing and I have learned (the hard way) that it is a pain in the butt right these boats once you flip them.....

Any chance you could send some detailed pics of your trailer. Mine is in terrible shape and I am having it rebuilt. I'd like to show my trailer guy what it should look like!

It's getting close to spring, do you have yours set to sail?

Paul

So where do u launch urs at on lake Erie. I can take a pic for u .. and did u rig a stereo on yours

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Unfortunately, I am not up in your area. I live down in Pensacola, Florida. I have not rigged a stereo on mine because I am not convinced that I have the ability to keep the boat upright when I take it out. I take it out on light wind days and my girl loves it. When the winds pick up a bit, I'll grab a few buddies and we tend to push it past our sailing abilities. So, I keep it fairly barebones to minimize the amount of things that can be damaged. Not to mention, I like the peace and quiet out on the water- no music, no motors....



Edited by takeiteasy on Mar 08, 2012 - 08:31 AM.

Oh i thought you were in my area, OK but how do you flip this BOAT it is heavy and i do like to go out in 20knts of wind what is the wind conditions your in to flip it! this will be my first sailing season with it! I refuse to get into the water so i will not flip it! But i guess you are getting the hull out of the water? what point does this happen ? How fast is this boat also? thanks! i cant wait to use it on Lake Erie!

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The boat is indeed heavy! We took it out when we probably shouldn't have..... But hey, thats what learning is all about! It was probably 20+ mph winds and we had a running wind and tried to turn to port....and caught a full sail and flipped it. It looked a bit like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KNql99zT6s

We were fortunate enough to flip right in front of Key Sailing on Pensacola Beach. The owner, Kirk Newkirk, came out and saved our butts! He brought out one of his parasailing boats, hooked up and righted us. He towed us back to shore and gave me a few pointers on how to avoid repeating our mistake.

We have been out on gusty days since, and used his tips to avoid flipping it. It is a blast to have it screaming across the bay. We do get to fly one hull sometimes (which is great), but we don't do it for long because I am still a little leary about flipping.

I have not clocked the boat, but I can say that it is fast! It does not take much wind to enjoy a lazy day of sailing, and it screams in gusty conditions. I may take a gps along this year and see what I can get the boat to do!

WOW sounds awesome so what is the tips he gave you, I have said in Jamaica on Hobie cats in white caps! That was a RUSH. I am doing the bottom of my hulls now i have one more to do! then i am ready for the water ill get you the Pic of the trailer soon...

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He said, "When you look out on the bay and you don't see anyone else dumb enough to sail in that crap, find something else to do!"
Then he told us that if we released the sails, we could have probably avoided flipping. We had the main and the jib up.... Way too much sail for those conditions.
It was an awesome day, right up until I actually hit the water. The neat thing about the Hobies is they are easy to right once you flip them. These Reynolds are more difficult. We were glad to have Kirk (and his boat) to help us out

I have BIG float for the top of my mast that the previous owner had made! But the Jamaicans told me the same,he siad"""" Keep your hand on sheet mon all time, when u feel boat come up, let go mon a little at a time u know, dont be afraid to go up mon. we have challenge to see who da best how long we can ride one hull! YEA MON! hehehee very cool and for me my you tube channel is jtechie3 keep me in mind i will be videoing my outings!

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I'll keep an eye out for your videos.

https://picasaweb.google.…thuser=0&feat=directlink

See if this works here are some photos!

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Great pics, Thanks!!
Your boat (and trailer) look great! Unfortunately, all I could focus on was the snow shovel in the pic taken from your garage...Brrrrrrr
Looks like you are putting bottom paint on your boat. Why? Are you planning to keep your boat in the water throughout the summer?

Yes last guy said he redid it, well the bottom was blistered bad and pimples all over bottom i figured i would just do it this time make it real smooth and fix it one time. its my first boat so i thought i try and treat it nicely! hahah But Rigging it will be a treat if i remember how i have videos but they weren't taken by me. DO you have any tips on raising mast do you walk it up or pull it up with trailer? What do u recommend in raising mast? I do have pics with it all rigged but i have been thinking of this for a while now since Remembered..

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Its been so long since I have done it, I really don't remember the exact steps. I had a stay fail last year and just had all my rigging redone. Unfortunately, I was not there when the raised the mast. I will head down to the shipyard and ask how they did it. I keep the boat on its worn out trailer at the marina just so I won't have to fool with the mast everytime I want to take it out. I just hook it up and launch. Its a more expensive way to do it....but it works for me because I am lazy!
I remember using the winch on the trailer, a jin-pole, and the port and starboard stays (to stabilize lateral movement). As I recall, it was relatively easy.

I hope you all can help me out a bit... I am looking at a Reynolds 21 that has been fitted with a Hobie 18 mast and sails. I am having a hard time finding much info on the R21 mast and sails. I have read that the original mast is 30' as well as 30' off the water line (which is it)??? From what I have found on sail area from the R21 to the H18 I am down about 30 sqft (not sure if this is accurate). I am told that it comes with a reacher so I am guessing its the original. From pic I have found on the net it looks like the jib on a R21 is a bit higher up the mast than a H18. If this is the case the original reacher wouldn't really work... I was also thinking if the mast is too short I can fit it with a comp tip to get the height back. I am also guessing that the foot of both sails is much on a H18. Maybe fit it with a comp tip and have sails made?

Any help would be great... Thanks!

If its 30' off the waterline the h18 mast would be close. I think you should give it a try before making big changes.

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here is what i know about my BOAT! hope it helps

Reynolds 21

LOA : 21.0
Beam : 12’6”
Beam on trailer 8’6”
Tramp 192 SF 16X12
Displacement 690 +
Draft 3’0
Boards Up 0’8”
Mast Height 30’
Main 230 SF
jib 85 sf
Screacher 175 SF
Spinnaker 250
Storm Jib 30



Edited by soulofasailor on Jun 13, 2012 - 09:16 AM.

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Mast height 30'... Is this off of the waterline or the length of the mast?

It's off the cross beams .. if that is what u mean. It's like a hobie cat where the mast rotates at the ball .

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Ok... so that means if you lay the mast down on the ground and measure it from one end to the other it is 30'?
(nothing to do with the boat... Just the mast)

Yes that is what I mean .. I don't know any other way to measure a mast !

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Yes that is what I mean .. I don't know any other way to measure a mast !

Typically, when you measure an aluminum mast, measurement are taken on the extrusion only, not including the cast fittings on either end.

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Yes that is what I mean .. I don't know any other way to measure a mast !

how about with a tape Measure, lay the mast down and run a tape along the side of it?

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Good to see you back and still sailing!

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UPDATE R21, Still looking for owners that have a R21. I have been in 20+ winds with her and she does really well ! I have been very cautious in the winds to sail her in.. But i am in a very small lake sailing. Very gusty too. If it pipes up i put her away on go on the Hobie cats ! I really like the H18 and the Getaways! Might be looking for a second boat in the near future! I have fixed the rudder system i would say it is 85% better then the original design!

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