Hi. My name is Terry and I live in Pensacola. I'm wondering how much beating someones body might get sailing a catamaran that isn't particularly interested in flying hulls. I'm 57 and soon to have nothing to do and don't know how to have any fun. I thinking that exploring the beaches in the intercostal water ways around NW Florida might get me back out of the house at the appropriate time and be enjoyable. I grew up in Pensacola and spent most of my time at the beaches as a kid. Don't like crowds so I don't go much any more but a beach cat would allow me, and possibly a friend, enjoy the beaches again while exploring and sailing. I have never been on a sail boat of any kind yet. Not much of a conversationalist so don't realy know what else to say except that information from people of the not so young would help me decide weather or not to get a boat.

Terry,

Welcome to TheBeachcats.com, you live in an area that is the envy of beachcat sailors all over the world.

As for being old and beat up you are much closer to the average age for beachcat sailors than I wish was true.

I know of lots of 60+ active beachcat sailors, plenty in their 70's and even some 80 year-olds that still race.

Have you ever done any sailing? Considering your location I'm sure we can get you some instruction.

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I went out on a shrimp boat once and worked off shore (close off shore out of Louisiana)but otherwise, just an armchair sailor so far. But I really need to know how bad a beating I would get from just cruising around.Iknow that running through a chop in a small power boat will beat the crap out of a person but I don't think that would be the case on a hobie cat but I don't know. I hate to think of myself as disabled but the SSA does. I am like that country song, I ain't as good as I once was. But I'm as good once as I ever was.

It all depends on how hard you want to push. Setting up a cat is physical work for 1-2 people every time you sail unless you have mast up storage. The beating from the water is mainly based on speed and hull shape. Power boats usually run hard and often have a large bow area to crash into the chop while cats are going to be slower (especially if you want to keep both hulls in the water as previously described) and have very small surface bow surface area and thus tend to go through chop rather than impacting into it. Find someone nearby and take a ride. You will probably have better luck and a more enjoyable first voyage in the warmer months but I bet you could find someone sailing almost any weekend.
You also might want to check out some local clubs and see if they have any learning to sail or other first sail courses.

Hey Terry, glad you are thinking about it. TBH even the choice of cat will make a difference, I moved from an H16 to a Prindle and frankly am really glad I did since it is more forgiving to sail and despite being a little wetter, is easier on the joints with the tramp design (IMHO before I get berated by the H16 folks LOL)

My advice to you would be to try and hitch a ride on a few different cats and cat sizes (P16, H16, H17 H18, nacra, getaway etc) and then decide which one is a best fit for you. ONe thing I can guarantee is that ultimately you will have a blast :)

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beat up and disabled according to the SSA is one thing...
frankly, it depends on your physical abilities.
like anything there's a learning curve
there's lots of folks over 60 sailing, but many have decades of practice and wisdom.
what the younger accomplish through might and will... they accomplish with grace and skill, and hardly break a sweat.

since it's so relative and subjective, you really need to just go for a few rides and decide for yourself.

in the end, on a nice day, with a forgiving boat... you may find it physically and mentally therapeutic.

watch Key Sailing just across the bridge, late Feb for advertisements about some races going on there usually in March. Someone will be glad to take you out for a ride in the intercoastal.

good luck,
Rob



Edited by robpatt on Jan 09, 2012 - 07:24 PM.

terry, sailing on the bays and intercoastal is nice and easy, you won't take a beating unless you get into the gulf. that being said, you have to have some ability to raise mast, load on and off trailor, get up and down the beach, right the boat if you flip it, and so on. the worst part for me is my 2 bad knees, bum shoulder, questionalable liver, and failing mentle skills but i still manage with a little help from my friends.

lucky for you you have key sailing to start with. you should be able to get hooked up with a ride or two to see how you like it before you buy something...i would suggest it. if you get bit then you can start to think about what boat and so on. good luck!

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Thank you all for your help. I think the best advice is to try before I buy. I've waited 57 years to do this and it won't hurt me to wait till warmer weather. I had been feeling that I needed to do something while its still off season but that isn't really necessary. As care taker for my wife right now, I may not even be able to take time to do more than try a short rental this year so thank you guys for the advice and I will just keep reading here for now till I can get a better hand on things. Maybe catch someone setting up when I get a break, or even take Cathy out to the beach for a few hours, and ask to try to step up their mast just to be sure that wouldn't be a problem. I'll figure it out.

In the cold weather, you might try some reading. You won't appreciate it 100% until you have the boat in-hand, but some of it will sink in and help once you do get to the boat. I'm re-reading a couple of books after a summer of racing last year. It's amazing how that experience and perspective changes the value you get from a book. I'd do a search on amazon.com for catamaran sailing. I've heard good things about Phil Berman's books as well as Rick White's (which I have).

As to your original question, I doubt you'll get much of a beating from casual inter coastal sailing. I always have a few sore muscles after the 1st few times out, but that's from my own off-season laziness.

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Thank you. I have been reading for months. That's just about all I can do at this time. I also watch quite a few Youtube videos and that's what gets me itching to go but I have to wait till my situation changes. Hopefully this year, I'll get some help. It has been promised but I never count my chickens till they hatch and get grown. By the way, I don't find many online videos for really learning about sailing these beach cats. Most of what I find are people righting theirs but very few about actually learning to sail and rig a catamaran. If anyone has some they would give me a link to, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again.
Terry

Terry, i sail in panama city every other month or so. Your welcome to go for a spin on one of my boats. Otherwise i would try renting a wave and see what you think. Sunjammers in PC will rent you one and provide some instruction. They are very nice boats to learn on.

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Terry,

Get over to Key Sailing and talk to Kirk Newkirk, the owner. He has Hobie Getaways with wings for rent and they are already on the beach fully rigged. In the next couple of months it's pretty deserted around there so the staff will have more time to help you.

I bet if you rented a boat they could probably supply a "captain" to take you out to get a taste. Couldn't be a nicer, less stressful place to get your first sail.

In fact, renting per sail instead of buying a boat your first year would probably be a good deal. It's not usually the advice around hear because very few newbies are lucky enough to live next door to a rental fleet.

When you are watching Youtube videos, don't be alarmed, no one films a nice comfortable cruising day, it's all about gonzo sailing for the videos. Also, don't think that you will have to use the trapeze that you see in all the videos. I don't even have trap wires on my Hobie 18 with Wings.

Please keep us informed on your progress.

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Terry,

If you are brand new to sailing you might find this one of interest. All about how to sail a hobie 16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFliNR3wW_w

Also this one shows you how to rig up

http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12697

Got to love Matt Miller's shorts in this one...No relation

I just got my cat in November and I live in NJ so I haven't sailed it yet but I did find those 2 vids helpful.

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I used to drive a dirt track stock car so the thriller videos don't dampen my interest, just makes it more acute. I am considering the rental even though renting anything is something that goes against my instincts.
Thanks for the links. that lady is the best video I've seen so far.

dtfuqua

I used to drive a dirt track stock car so the thriller videos don't dampen my interest, just makes it more acute. I am considering the rental even though renting anything is something that goes against my instincts.
Thanks for the links. that lady is the best video I've seen so far.

Well its one of those things, you wouldn't go out and buy a late model dirt car if you did not even know if you would like racing. Renting to try is the cheap option in case its not what you expected.

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one thing...if your fist day out is with very little wind, you wont be impressed...if it's honking and your with someone who knows what they are doing, your ADDICTED! no kidding...

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Damon says...

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gonzo sailing

go go GONZO SAILING !!

Think that prompts my new favorite sailing motto:

" If you ain't flippin, you aint' trippin. ! "



Edited by robpatt on Jan 12, 2012 - 10:36 PM.

Hah! this not so old man (52) got pretty beat up last season, have a lawn care business and somehow managed to fall off of a 12'-14' roof, landed on my heels with a 30 lb back pack blower on my back, needless to say blew my back and pelvis out, and on top of that, tore the rotator cuff in both my arms, more so on the right arm. Been feeling pretty old hobbling about these last few months patiently waiting to see if it will all heal by itself......we'll see, just hope it all comes back together before next sailing season ......

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Well in case the rental experience gives you the boat owner "bite"....this one might be calling your name...right there near you in Milton.

http://pensacola.craigsli….org/boa/2799996786.html

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have a lawn care business and somehow managed to fall off of a 12'-14' roof,

Turbo...lawns are not on Roof tops, ya gotta change whatever yur smokin

On a more serious note, as one who is also the +side of five-oh. Injuries seem to take way longer to heal. I banged an elbow on a tree, skiing at Sunshine (Banff), two years ago, & I've just regained full strength in that arm in the last few months. For two seasons I had to compensate when sailing as I didn't have the strength to haul the main sheet with my right arm when winds were strong.
I hope you heal, rotator cuffs can be a bitch, many require surgery to fix properly. If you have access to physio, do it, & follow the program. A friends wife, several decades younger than I fell off her bike & slightly cracked her pelvis. to compensate & alleviate she walked with a funny limp for two months. After the crack healed, she couldn't walk properly, her body had now hard wired part of the limp. Physio therapy gave her a regime to rebuild the muscles that were given 2 months off. It took another 3 months of dedicated application of the PT's program to get back to "normal"



Edited by Edchris177 on Jan 15, 2012 - 12:18 PM.

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Thanks. I saw that Nacra in Milton. A little rich for my wallet. I'm gonna have to find one of those to good to be true deals for me to jump on. I'm keeping an eye on craigslist within a 250 mile radius for one but I'm having a little trouble getting free to go look at any right now. There is a Hobie 16 also in Milton that I wanted to go see but just can't get time away right now. But, if the right one comes along, at the right price, I think I could get a sitter for Cathy long enough to go see, just not right now.

Hey if you will 2 months I will bring my boat over to Pensacola and go. But u probably cxan get a better deal on a boat in the winter.

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I'll be here. I'm not sure of what my circumstances will be but if you'll let me know when and where, I'll try to at least get time to look at your craft and maybe help rig it up ( just lend a watchful hand) . I was also thinking that winter time would be best for someone searching for a bargain but I'm not in control of my time right now.

I may have found something. I'm wondering if anybody knows anything about this boat. http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2802264386.html The guy sounds nice but in these days, a person needs to be careful. I'm hoping Cathy will be strong enough to go for a ride tomorrow to look at it.

how is your wife doing? and how are you doing? hopefully you will have some improvements to build on soon. i am currently caretaking for my wife as she recovers from brain surgury, again. stupid ole' cancer, poor girl has learned to walk for the third time in her life. when the tumer grows, she is paralized on the left side of her body and loses all function of it...there is never any guarantee she will regain function but yet she has each time. i know the strains of being a caretaker and the importance of taking care of yourself, it's a 24/7 job and you put your life on hold to do it. two years ago mindy was recovering over the holidays just like now and if it weren't for sailing and fixing up the boat i would have gone crazy...you have to keep looking to the future whatever it is and have something fun to look forward to besides docter visits. i have been lucky that both times here lately the surgeries have been in the offseason and by march she is back to work, hopefully this time too. get a boat!...it gives you something to do and look foreward to...you have to take care of yourself to care for her. in the meantime i will be praying for cathy and you mi amigo, sure has helped us!
hang in there! bill.

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dtfuqua

I may have found something. I'm wondering if anybody knows anything about this boat. http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2802264386.html The guy sounds nice but in these days, a person needs to be careful. I'm hoping Cathy will be strong enough to go for a ride tomorrow to look at it.

That boat looks great, however I strongly advise looking up starboard marine, I think its closer to Destin. The guy restores old Hobies and I have heard many great reviews and reasonable prices. He advertises on CL quite often but he is in the phone book.

EDIT www.starboardmarineinc.com

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Hi Cathy is doing as well as can be expected right now. She is stable but in poor condition. I'm expecting to get some help with respite care to give me a break. They have already said that we can get 35 hours for someone to sit with her. Just don't know when anything is actually going to happen. Trying to find something for me to do is about all I can do to keep from dwelling on things to come. We have already out lived all expectations for her and I'm in no hurry for anything to change. Thanks for your prayers and concern. I'm glad to hear your wife can expect a recovery, and in time for the summer will be a great time to get out and about.
I grew up spending most of my time hanging out at the beach and hopefully being able to get to secluded beaches, I can enjoy living here again. I don't know but hopefully, a beach cat opens a lot of new trails to explore. Without a job and since I quit drinking, I don't know anything that's fun anymore, at least anything I am able to do now days.
Hi Bacho. I have looked at Starboard and if he were a lot closer, I would probably have found time to check him out. He is a little more expensive than this boat but being from a person that does repairs on these things would go a long way in reassuring myself that I'm being told everything about the boat. Also, the boats he has advertised close to this price are 14s and I think a 16 will be better for carrying extra stuff for me to go overnighting with when time becomes my own again.

Ya, I would suggest a 16 over the 14. He sells a lot of boats though, I would check with him every so often.

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Hobie 16's are tanks, especially pre 80, I picked up a 79 H16 and she was solid, apparently Hobie, the company was sold twice after 1980, first time to AMC (?) a motorcycle company, and then to Coleman. In both cases, to cut costs, they cut back on the fiberglass layup, made for a lighter cat, but hull structure was seriously weakened. So if you can get your hands on a pre-80's H16 that has solid hulls with no delamination, awesome. But if I were in your situation, I would look at the P16, high volume hulls would enable you to construct a cargo tramp forward to carry all your gear for overnight trips and a crew member. I would recommend a furling jib instead of the original hook and ring jib just to make your sailing experience more enjoyable.
The last 4 digits on the hull numbers etched into the transom on the H16 will give you the year of construction.

Turbo
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The problem with getting a Prindle is that they aren't everywhere like the Hobie. I'll be checking the hull #'s later today if I'm lucky. He says he thinks its an 89 But I think it has a single piece mast from trying to get a good look at the pictures. If thats right, doesn't that make it an early 80s?

Yes, that sail number is a little low as well for an 89. Its the hulls that count though.

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there is no problem getting prindle parts, look at the classifieds here for example. murray's carries the factory parts new also. the p-16 is better suited for your needs also- lighter than h-16, carries more weight, less likely to flip and pitchpole, more stable... believe me, i grew up a hobie guy-14,16,18...thought prindles were goofy...until i got one. i own both p-16 and h-16, the h-16 is collecting dust. the improvements prindle made over the h-16 are the standard for modern cats today- high volume hulls(esp. on the bow), forestay bridle not on the bow tip(pitch pole maker), modest jib(never gets hung up on mast), crossbars mounted directly to hulls(stiffer design), come from factory equiped with harken blocks(bullet proof) just a better design alltogether. for cruising/camping it's the better choice but if you desire fleet racing, go hobie. i still race my p-16, they just lump me in with all other non-spin boats(besides h-16's)...i don't mind that because i'm the highest rated boat in the race useually. the hobie is a faster light wind boat with that big jib but when the winds start blowin', the modest sail plan of the prindle becomes an advantage...if you get caught in a storm, you would rather be on the prindle...when i was a kid, it was fun to flip the boat, don't care for it now. just wanted to give you some heads up on the prindles, don't turn your nose up!

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Oh, I wouldn't turn my nose up at a Prindle. I have been doing a lot or research on small catamarans and wouldn't hesitate to choose a Prindle being all other things were equal as in price and location. I've always been one to explore a different path than the masses and with all things being close to equal, always choose the less used path. You wouldn't know where a good one is for around $800 or less would you?

There is a P15 close to me....

http://kansascity.craigsl….org/boa/2780514040.html

The P15 does not have a jib, this would make it quite easy to throw on a furling jib.

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Just called and spoke to the guy listing the cat for sale, he still has it and knows nothing about sailboats, says the P15 was donated to a charity and he is trying to sell it for the cash. I did clarify that it is a P15, sticker on side of hulls declares it to be a P15, and he says it only has 1 sail. If you are interested, I could pursue this further, go and look at the cat for you and let you know. A vacation down to Gulf Shores is long overdue, could always bring it down for you and help out with rigging and sailing. I also have a spare furling jib sail that came off my H16, all you would need is to obtain the Harken Small Boat Furler and Swivel
http://www.harkenstore.co….ShowProd?B4RPMEB9Y9CLEO, and have a pigtail or upper forestay made to measure and you ready to go.

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I missed the opportunity to go look at the Hobie 16. It was too cold to take Cathy out today, Found out that that P15 is a single person craft and wouldn't fit what I want to do. Thank you so much for the offer though.



Edited by dtfuqua on Jan 18, 2012 - 09:05 PM.

Just a reminder, the P15 is a one person boat. On your original post, you mentioned the possibility of taking a friend out on the boat. I have a P15, the boat is very difficult to sail with two folks; it could be my lack of sailing skills, but sailing with two on a P15 is hard work. The P15 also does not like to tack regardless of weight onboard. I also have a P16, yes, I've turned her over with crew on, but, she is by far more predictible and generally goes where she is told, with less effort than the P15. The larger hull size and the jib make a substantial difference. I'm not trying to scare you away from a P15, just reporting my observations and humble opinion.

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Thanks Backasswards. I hadn't read enough to know that.I figured just being short of a 16 and I thought the Prindle had more flotation than the Hobie 16 would kinda equal thing out. And even if I always go solo myself, my son would likely want to play with it when ever he comes on vacation and he wouldn't want to play by himself.
Hi Turbohobo. I hope you catch this before you go to any trouble on my behalf. I found out that that craft wouldn't suit my needs after all but I want to thank you for your very generous offer. I did edit my previous post in case you hadn't read it yet.

No worries mate, having never seen a P15 before, I too, assumed that it would only be a foot shorter than the P16, but would have the same high volume hulls. I know the problems associated with a uni-rig, ie, they tack like a be-yatch, and that's why I suggested the roller furling jib add-on. But hey, I might just pick up that cat myself, offer the guy $400 cash, throw on a jib and sell it for a tidy profit......

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Thank you for understanding. I'm hoping to go see the h16 near me today if the people helping me bathe Cathy come and go early enough.
Having read so much about keeping the jib cleated or not switching sides till the tack was past the wind change to push the front on around, I have wondered why I see shorter cats without a jib as standard equipment. I had just assumed they were likely just easier to work with being a little shorter. I tend to not ask all the questions I come up with but instead come to my own conclusions a lot of the time. So here goes. What is a "jibe". It seems like that is used sometimes where the term "tack" should be used.

DT,

You are correct to pick up on the similarity between tack and jibe...essentially, they are the same in that you change the windward side of the boat (ie wind from the port side or wind from the starboard side with mainsail on opposing side)...the difference is that to make a jibe, you turn away from the wind and on a tack you turn into the wind. Skipper's preference in how to make a turn but I usually consider a jibe when heading on a broad reach or mostly down wind...tack when sailing tight to the wind. The word "tack" can also refer to which side you have to windward...usually carrying importance to right of way. Starboard tack has right of way over port tack...or "what tack are you on?...I'm on port tack" (means windward side is the port side of the boat).

Bert

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oh...forgot to add what might be obvious...with a jibe, there is a bigger concern with the boom swinging across the boat. a tack always seems to be non threatening...but the amount of swing and the potential of an unannounced "uncontrolled jibe" will have boom swing a long way and if the crew is not ready...well, that "boom" could live up to its name. When you jibe, just be careful. You can grab the boom or the main block before it gets a head of speed to keep it cool...but once it's rolling, it only takes a split second to hurt someone or stress the rigging.

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Thanks for the clarification. I can see where it would be good to say one or the other when sailing with a crew. One recognizable word to warn people what to expect when maneuvering and possibly shouting in a high wind. I probably won't talk much sailing language but I do like to know what people are saying when talking about a subject I'm interested in.



Edited by dtfuqua on Jan 19, 2012 - 07:58 AM.

dtfuqua

I have never been on a sail boat of any kind yet.

Do it!
Find a local rental place and see if they have someone willing to take you out for an afternoon. You will know immediately if you like it, and a few days later your body will tell you if you can take much more of this. I'm of a similar age and often find sore muscles I didn't know still existed after a good afternoon's ride.
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Well, my local deal turned out not to be a deal. The guy turned out to be a wheeler dealer type. Talking like he was a religious person and acting like a used car salesman. The starboard hull had soft spot in front of the pylon and a real large soft spot under the edge of the trampoline that you could hear crunching sound without a lot of pressure. The same hull had waves in the side directly under the front pylon like it had a lot of flex from being run hard causing that hull to bend inwards slightly. The sails were trash. The rope had worn through the pocket it is supposed to ride in and all this was apparent without even rolling out the sails Then, on top of all that, the mast was bent sideways more than the thickness of the mast diameter. I didn't even look much at the rigging except to acknowledge there was apparently more than was needed just to rig up the boat. And it was a 79 model hull that I checked the numbers on.
And that wasn't the worst part of the little trip. Just setting up and riding in the van wore Cathy out pretty good. I am always careful when driving with her to not accelerate too fast or hit the brakes hard so she won't have to exert herself trying to stay upright in her seat. So I won.t be doing much checking till the people that are supposed to start setting with her to give me time away from the house actually start showing up. Well, you know that old saying, "life's a bitch and then you die".

no worries on not using the sailing lingo....I've always thought that's what makes some folks shy away from the sport unneccesarily. On my boat, I am just fine with any words that get the job done. If anyone thinks all sailors must speak a new language before enjoying time on the water, I'd say they are snobs. Try it, and if you like it, do more and let the vocabulary fill in as needed. In fact, I'd say a higher priority before learning the terminology is to learn those right of way rules or "rules of the road"...which are not difficult. Recreational power boats should yield to beachcats (most of the time). But you'll have to work out your priority when passing or crossing with other sailing craft or large vessels limited in their maneuverability. Don't be intimidated by this. In P-cola, the bay and intercoastal will offer plenty of room for everyone to get along.

Good Luck,
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You know now that you mention that I saw a complaint about a boat on CL with that same hull color. Could have been that one, a guy mentioned he drove to Pensacola and was very mislead.

Just keep watching, now is a slow time of year. I monitor all beach cat craigslist adds in the area and have noticed its really slowed down as of late.

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dtfuqua...i'm checking on a p-16 in panama city right now in real good shape my buddy says(he has looked at it)...and it's a whooping 300$...he is supposed to call me back tomorrow. i'll let you know if it's still available and give you the contact info if you interested. it's nice to have some cash left over for all the acessories(you know, shoes, hats, purses)...hang in there!

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Hi Coastrat. that sounds like a very good opportunity. Thank you. Yes I would be very interested. I had the fortune to get someone to set with Cathy late this afternoon and looked at the one in Milton. http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2805956368.html .He was willing to lower the price considerably so I could afford to buy it but the sails were in pretty bad shape and I wouldn't have had anything left to repair/replace them so I walked on it. I probably wouldn't have bought it anyway because I saw something very odd on the deck around the front pylon. The deck was buckled like it had been bent doing a pitch pole in shallow water. I don't really know exactly about boats that much but having been an iron worker/fitter in my previous life, I can make a pretty good guess based on the evidence of the buckled deck considering what motions the craft was likely to have been going through. Besides a little waviness on the inside surface, there wasn't any other sign of an accident so it wasn't done on the trailer or in his yard. I'm mentioning this flaw in the craft wanting someone to either shoot my hypothesis down or confirm the likelihood of me being right. I'm kinda anal-retentive about needing to know things.

This is a great place. I have never found a place where people are so supportive of a stranger (me) and willing to help out. I just don't know what to say besides thank you all.



Edited by dtfuqua on Jan 19, 2012 - 08:27 PM.

big soft spots right in front of the crossbars is abouth the worst place to have them as you can imagine...cat-a-strophic failure. the wavy inner hulls useually means the cat was flipped a lot and people were standing/bouncing on them to right the boat. you can tap on the hulls all around and here soft spots because they sound hollow compared to the firm places around them. soft spots are not necessarily deal killers, as a matter of fact, you can save big bucks on the boat if you act freaked out by them. just look out for the ones right in front of the crossbar, or the size of fat kids, or as numerous as ex-husbands of elizabeth taylor...they are a simple repair that works fine...but tell the owner that you will have to bring it to the shop and get them professionally repaired before you will feel safe on it. my boat was a piece of work, 2 different hulls(one yellow, one white, a'77 and '79 models), a hand full of soft spots, keels skint through, every bolt on the rudders bent, mast is a "lefty". i did have good sails and a decent tramp along with beach wheels and a good trailor. i got by my first 2 seasons on the "antique" standing rigging(only 1 de-masting!) but i DON'T recommend you do that. i bought a new set of rigging this year from salty dog(165$ w/shipping). keep your fingers crossed on the panama city boat, he remarked on how good the sails and hulls were. you just need to hook up with someone with experience to go out with the first few times to "show you the ropes", then you will be ready to ask the next round of questions!

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I was right check this add http://pensacola.craigsli….org/boa/2810744473.html

This guys prices are a little higher than what you seem to be looking for, but I would contact him if I were you for some leads/information.

http://pensacola.craigsli….org/boa/2787856465.html

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Hi Coastrat and all. Anything about the P16 in Panama City? I found a wave on craigs list there and may go look at it. I believe it says best offer but he doesn't want any low ball offers. What do ya'll think?

just heard back yesterday, sold...but there is a nice hobie 18 new sails ready to go 2000k but that might be out of the range. wish i could have hooked you up. waves are cool, kida fit your specs but they are a little high useually. seek and you shall find!...i'm still looking for ya!

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Did you see the one I mentioned? http://panamacity.craigsl….org/boa/2815553259.html ? Any thoughts?

And yea 2K is way out of my range. This Wave is all the way at the top of my financial limits and would have to be sailed as is for quite a while if I can't get the price down some.

I saw that wave, its a pretty good deal. I will be in PC tomorrow. I plan to take a look at the wave, and the p16.

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Hey dtfuqua,

Did you see the new listing for the 5.2 Nacra in Jacksonville on here? 1K and newer sails! Good Luck

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Haven't seen it yet but will check it out. Not a real likelihood of it being right for me because the distance but I never know what circumstances will arise in my situation.

That would be something to check out if it weren't so far from me. I can't take Cathy out for long enough to get to Jacksonville and back. I'll be stretching it to take her to Panama City if I get to make the trip.



Edited by dtfuqua on Jan 26, 2012 - 07:08 AM.

bacho

I saw that wave, its a pretty good deal. I will be in PC tomorrow. I plan to take a look at the wave, and the p16.

Can you post about what you find? And if their still for sale when you leave?

Sure. There is an old hobie 16 just listed near you for $500

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bacho

Sure. There is an old hobie 16 just listed near you for $500

I can't find it. Do you have a link?

Just checked, already been deleted. It was a '72 model so I am not sure you missed much.

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thanks for the thought anyway. At least we tried.

ok...checking on a h-16 that has been garage kept the last 8 yrs. 900$...panama city also. will see what happens!

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bill, ya had me checking the panama city craigslist! big boat woes, little boat slows... the grass always greener?

no way matt!!! i'm sticking with the blue ribbon, it's almost dialed in just right...until i join the yacht club, i'm stayin' low maintenance...besides, i'm enjoying being a stalker in regattas with that fat 78 rating! the list of modern faster boats i'v beaten is quickly piling up! the last thing you want to see in a race is me on you tail cause i'm already beating you!!! now if it's light wind, i'm toast... BUT, if it's blowin', i'm drivin' the dog s#%t out of it and ain't scared to destroy it in the process, i would be out literraly dozens of dollars!

i'm helping our new friend dtfuqua find a good starter boat, he's a caretaker for his wife right now and so am i...and we caretakers need something to look foreward to. so, if you know of a descent cheap cat somewhat local, post it here on this thread and send him a pm with the details. besides, the next cat i get is going to be that nacra 20 carbon with wings...in 20 years when i get it for 500$!!!

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coastrat

... BUT, if it's blowin', i'm drivin' the dog s#%t out of it and ain't scared to destroy it in the process, i would be out literraly dozens of dollars!

A man after my own heart. Sail it like you stole it!

coastrat

ok...checking on a h-16 that has been garage kept the last 8 yrs. 900$...panama city also. will see what happens!

Thank you for your help. I'm still here and looking .



Edited by dtfuqua on Jan 27, 2012 - 09:30 AM.

Still looking for the prindle.

Wave seller says he has a few more people coming to take a look, lowest price is $800. I offered $500. I would say the boat is in rough shape. Lots of scratches and sun damage, needs all new rigging.



Edited by bacho on Jan 28, 2012 - 12:11 PM.

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Thanks bacho. If I don't find better sooner, I'may call about the wave again in a week or two. Here's a P18 I think about that you might be interested in and more able to do something with than me. http://okaloosa.craigslist.org/boa/2814276246.html . If you check it out and don't want it, let me know what you think of it. Or if you do want it, let us know how it turns out.



Edited by dtfuqua on Jan 28, 2012 - 12:49 PM.

Hey bacho. The guy on the wave said something about a mast extension. I thought the wave had a two piece mast. Is there anything screwy about the mast on that one?

Is all stock, he just knows basically nothing about it. He is selling it for his boss or something. It would be a great boat for what you want one for, after some running rigging of course.

I paid starboard marine a visit today. His website is outdated but he has a hobie 16 for sale. It looked pretty decent to me, he was going to ask $1,500 but told me would be lowering the price. I would give him a call Monday just to talk about it.

I saw that p18, I've heard that boat was in good shape. I am just not all that interested in a prindle 18.

The prindle 16 appears to be sold.

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a p-18 is a p-16 on steroids!....if your in the cat business...you need crew anyways...worth a look!

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ahhh....such a slippery slope it is.....you'll be talking Nacra 20c in nothing flat...after all, your crew has friends too, right?

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I've started talking to Cathy after her being in a sour mood since I looked at the garbage skow in Foley Al. and discovered she is upset about me wanting a catamaran. I am well aware of her fear of the water and boats but never intended her to get on one but she has the idea in her head that I'm trying to get rid of her and find some young thing on the beach. While I have always been one to look discreetly at good looking women, I've always tried to make Cathy feel as if she is the only woman in the world as far as things like that go. In fact, I never talk to any female except as needed to take care of things in life or to be polite but not show any interest in even having a conversation with any of them. I recon, for her peace of mind, in her condition, that I should put looking for something for myself on hold. I thank you guys for all your help and attention.

now that you will stop looking, boats will be coming at you! hang in there and remember to take care of yourself in the process. remember, you can always find someone to give you a ride this summer when you get some time! and remind cathy, you chasing young girls is like a dog chasing a car...what are you gonna do with it if you catch it! best of luck and stay in touch!

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Sorry to hear that, let me know if you want to go for a spin anyways.

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Chasing young girls is like a dog chasing a car...what are you gonna do with it if you catch it?

Word.

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Here's an idea. Me and a few other cat sailors are planning to come down to Pensacola the first week in April (good weather dependentl. You could bring Kathy, look at the boats, talk to the "old" guys who actually sail them, and go for a ride or two on a couple different models. We'll have a hobie 16, 18, a nacra 500, and a couple other models there. She'll see the only girls around are wives and daughters. My pregnant wife will be soakingup the sun. If the wind is light to moderat she'll see how calm and fun sailing can be. Fair weather sailing is pretty safe (safer than cars...). If it's blowing the doors off, don't bring her, it may scare her more, and is not what you'd go out in as a newbie. If this sounds interesting, respond to this message and we'll exchange numbers.

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That sounds like a good idea. I can assure you that Cathy won't want to ride. She was fine on her brothers party barge on a relatively small lake but when she saw the difference between his barge and a catamaran, well I'll just say that she started having a less than happy attitude towards the idea. I really tried to explain the difference between a catamaran and a pontoon boat but she couldn't grasp the idea till she saw that one in Foley. But if the stars align just right, I would appreciate the chance and Cathy does still like going to the beach when she is able to.

I have to be one of the luckiest poor bas#$*&$ in the world. Not only did I find a sweet woman that has loved me from the first, all the way through more than 38 years of being together. I have a son that is way better than he could have been seeing the way I wasn't much of a sharing person when he was growing up. Now I have been given a Prindle 16 with what seems to be solid hulls upon first inspection. I have the hulls, cross beams, rudders, and mast. Hopefully, this will be the start of something good



Edited by dtfuqua on Mar 02, 2012 - 01:26 PM.

i told you!!! stop looking for a boat and they come to you! it's how i got my prindle. now the fun begins, inspection, assembly, and shopping. this will light a fire under you! congrads!

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I can't let it light to big a fire. Car repairs took a good portion of my cat funds but I'll get things together. Hopefully this summer I can try to talk Cathy into trying to ride on it when I get it seaworthy. I spoke a little too soon about the hulls being in good shape. A lot of the deck is delaminating but the sides of the hulls sound solid. I didn't want to seen like a jerk when we were taking it apart to load up so I didn't do any real checking for soft spots but it is fixable, one way or another.I figure I'll learn quite about how things go while learning about the rigging. As an iron worker, I learned a lot about rigging cables and making different size chokers and spreaders and things. If I can make rigging that holds up tens of tons, I figure I can make the rigging for a little catamaran. May have to get or rent a crimper but thats no big deal. I am looking for some very cheap sails and a trampoline if you hear of some. I don't mind a few making a few temporary repairs just to get something to play with till I can get something better. I hear you can fix some nasty sails with some ripstop nylon and sail tape to get by with temporarily.



Edited by dtfuqua on Mar 02, 2012 - 04:39 PM.

DT,

Did you see the prindle 16 sails advertised here on beach cats? Fate is shining on you....

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not yet but i'm about to look

Also keep an eye on ebay search prindle. There is a seller names tdive5 that sells a lot of used cat stuff. He has had some decent stuff including some random hardware pack of stuff that would cost a lot to buy new. Most of you may not use or may be spares but lots of it is worth it if you need some of it. They also may have lots that is not listed on eBay and he recommends you contact them.

Also Pete Begle on this forum usually has a good supply of used Prindle parts in CA at Big Bear.

If you make you own rigging that's great. You can use the bench crimping tool at West Marine if you have one close but as one who has bled all over my local west marine I find the prices for finish rigging to be quite reasonable. Try murrays or salty dog marine for rigging sets.

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i was going to make all new rigging for my boat. bought the swagger and some ferrels and did a bridle set this past season. didn't have time this winter to do it with the wife's cancer being a pain in the azz so i bought a set from salty dog (150$ shipped). haven't put it on yet but it looks nice so i can't vouch for it, we will see how it handles the dauphin island race for the initial stress test! check out sail care on line for the ss lines and thimbles/ferrels...the go for about .72cents per foot there as opposed to $2 per @ west marine. you will just need some accurate measurements to go by. i figured i could do my own for about 100$ this way but just didn't have the time being a caretaker/nurse/cook/maid/psychotherapist/chauffer/sex machine, you know...

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YeaI know how it is, not counting the sex machine part. Abig part of why I gave in to Cathy and moved back to Pensacola was to get some decent help with Cathy's care and it took a little over two years after she was approved for it before anything started to happen. Now, I have to figure out what to do with myself. I'm gonna have to look up that salty dog place. I don't have any "spare" cash but getting a full set for just approximately $50 over homemade cost may turn out to be cheaper since I don't have any measurements and I would be likely to make some mistakes costing extra money on materials. I am gonna have to watch my enthusiasm and not go on a spending spree though. here I am up before daylight looking a cat stuff.

just threw in the sex machine part for giggles, chemotherapy doesn't get her in the mood like margaritas! download the owners manual here for starters for it is your bible, don't sweat the cosmetic stuff yet-that comes after you know you have the boat right and tight. search this site as you come across questions, it is the largest collection of prindle tips on the planet! and naturally, don't be afraid to ask qeustions when stumped.

make a list of everything you need and take your time shopping it, that's how you save money. you might even come across more free stuff like sails/tramp etc.. if you want to sail next weekend then you can drop some cash and do that if you please also. i 'm still praying for you guys, hang in there.

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Tanks. I appreciate the prayers and the encouragement. I won't be sailing in the next few weeks, needless to say. I have a kayak to play with for myself but would really like to get Cathy to be able to get excited doing something again, and sharing that excitement with her would/will be the best thing I could ever experience. I'll have some time to take her to the beach and get her used to not being able to sink with a life vest on and I think I can get this to happen.

Don't fret to much if the wife doesn't take to the water to much. My wife has been on the boat a few times but prefers to sit on the beach on read most of the time. The sailboat has become the focus of our family summer vacation fun with long weekend camping at the lake and such. My wife has probably had more fun sailing on other peoples boats than ours. She had a great time on a friends N20 with 2 of my sons and that trip included a capsize where she was separated from the boat and a dagger board banged her in the shin. She has also been out on another friends monohull and had some great fun.

We have a sailing group we go with to several outings over the summer and she hangs with the other women and has a great time. She also makes for excellent ground crew (usually) backing the trailer like a pro (though she has a tendency yo float the the thing), and even rescuing us off other beaches from time to time when we were starting out and ended up landing on different beaches than we started on.

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Well, I don't know what to say. Things are starting to come together. I am blessed. is all I can say except thank you to everyone and one special thanks to someone for gifting me a pair of sails. I was called away to Cathy when first inspecting them but could easily tell they were very useable. After taking care of Cathy I got them spread out and they turn out to bet in pretty good shape. There are even grommets in place for shortening the sail area to make things slow down to make it comfortable so as not to scare Cathy. At least I think that's what they are for. Maybe not real pretty but not ugly either. Actually, I think they are gorgeous. I believe I will get Cathy to at least ride on it with me this summer. I already bought her a ski vest and will show her she can't sink with it on. I also found a trampoline for cheap in Panama City Beach and hopefully I will learn a few more things about MY boat. At least enough to know what is still missing.

Well I am glad your on your way. Those holes are for Reefing the sail.

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Hey good luck on the restoration, tdive on ebay.... send him a message if you don't see what you want. I asked for some stuff and he created a listing for me. The hardware pack in my opinion was a mixed bag. I got 9 gudgeons? really 9, 3 bent shroud adjusters, but a whole bunch of useful stuff like rudder bolts and other hard to find stuff. All in all its worth it even tho I'm going to throw half of it out.

when I finally get around to getting all my stuff together I should have some nice writeups in the tech section. Im still working on the rudders and I've got the trailer in a million pieces right now too.

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Well I am glad your on your way. Those holes are for Reefing the sail.

Thats what I thought, I just couldn't get the word to come to me. i often know what is going through my mind but having trouble recalling the correct words sometimes. I once thought I was getting alzheimers but its just with words and faces. I'm never lost or totaly confused so I can live with whatever it is.
Hi Bob. I'll check it out but I'm hoping to find most if not all that I may need at Starboard Marine tomorrow. I know I will know more tomorrow evening than I do now.

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Hey good luck on the restoration, tdive on ebay.... send him a message if you don't see what you want. I asked for some stuff and he created a listing for me. The hardware pack in my opinion was a mixed bag. I got 9 gudgeons? really 9, 3 bent shroud adjusters, but a whole bunch of useful stuff like rudder bolts and other hard to find stuff. All in all its worth it even tho I'm going to throw half of it out.

when I finally get around to getting all my stuff together I should have some nice writeups in the tech section. Im still working on the rudders and I've got the trailer in a million pieces right now too.

I've seen some of those do the parts in any way match what is in the pic for the sale or are they just random?

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For me it was a mixed bag, I got crossbar bolts and rudder bolts all bent. I'd say 50/50 on useable vs junk but I got some stuff that would be expensive to replace. So I'm very neutral on the purchase, but as soon as I break or loose a part that I have a replacement for I'll feel like a genius.

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I got back from Panama City with a better mast, a trampoline with the lines for installing it, a seaway block and tackle, and shroud adjusters. I also got a little more knowledge about my catamaran. I need to figure out how to make a boom and rig up the seaway block and tackle and make a new set of rigging. Almost forgot the drain plugs. They always seem to be the last thing I remember if I remember them at all. I need to figure out how to make a back rest for Cathy to be able to ride with me. She is just too weak to be able to sit up by herself. Does anybody know of a setup like that that anyone has made. I don't want/need a wing setup, just something to help Cathy hold herself up and not fall over and I figure a back rest would work best for her.

dtfuqua

She is just too weak to be able to sit up by herself.

Does she need to sit up?
The tramp on a P16 is pretty comfy.
Cathy could just lie on it and still have plenty to see.
(I have spent many glorious nights sleeping on one lakeside)
When my grandmother was 73, she crewed for me in a local regatta. Two races, the second one SABCABCF. She laid on the tramp, held the jib sheet and rolled to the other side when we tacked. She was smiling the whole time (and slept the entire ride back to town afterward).
You won't be in any tacking duels, so if the air is light Cathy may not have to roll at all. Prop her head up with a throwable and she may feel safer than she would sitting on the edge of the hull anyway.



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I don't think she would enjoy laying down for a sail. Its a Prindle and I have heard that it gets pretty wet on them and the tramp is mesh. I wouldn't have her moving back and forth for tacking or anything. Thats one of the special things about the sails I have, They have a reefing setup already with grommets in the sail to keep the stress and speed down.

Congrats on the boat, I agree with Quarath don't be concerned if your wife doesn't take to sailing. Mine hates it amd I am on my 4th cat. I wish she would go but it ain't happening. I still love her.

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Prindle can bet a bit wet on the tramp but that is not a big deal on a hot day. And not as bad in light cruising breeze unless there is waves. Just don't make it a extra long journey stay where you can go back in quick when she has had enough. Get your feet wet and some boat handling sorted a bit before you take her out so you have enough confidence to get where you need to when you want to. My first couple long regatta type sails I didn't even make it back to the same beach I started from.

First was due to mechanical difficulties. My tiller crossbar adjuster must have been just shy of out of the threads and it came apart at a not so good time.

Second was highs winds and a blown tack that put me on the sand at a shallow beach just shy of of the one I needed. I decided the wind was too much and had the wife bring the trailer over there. Wife's can make excellent ground crew. Except she get the suburban stuck in the sand and had to get help getting it out.

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The problem with Cathy is that while she isn't old, opportunities to do things with her are getting fewer every day. I've been wanting to do this before she is unable to do anything. It may be too late anyway. But thanks for the help.

Google "stadium seat". The type without any metal. It is basically a seat cushion with a fold in the middle and nylon straps that adjust to make the cushion into an "L" shape. You could probably find one with some attachment points so you could make the seat fast to the trampoline and have one on each side. Just a thought - never seen it done before.

Probably way more complicated - but Hobie 16's used to be popular among disabled racers and many were modified to have "trap seats" which were like wings.

First off from me, congrats on the progress. If I read all this correctly, you've done all on a dime...certainly possible but still incredible.

Forgive me but I want to throw out a safety thought that came to minde here. And I do so as I recently learned how quickly things can get crazy out on the boat.

Consider how things would work if you take your wife out and you capsize. I'm not saying don't do it but if she can't get back on the boat, you should anticipate that and have some plan in mind.

Hope it all goes well and you both have a good time.

Bert

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Yes, I am aware of how quickly things can go wrong. Even a day with expected winds of 10 to 15 knots can change with a small squall line storm coming through without much warning. I had/have plans to only take Cathy out just past the swimming area here where help is just seconds away and not try to thrill her with speed or distance. The real plan for her safety is a ski vest on her at all times. One that we have tried out and will keep her head above water no mater what condition she's in. As for the cushion, I plan to have a backrest made for her to have something to support her and a couple of the sit-on PFDs on leashes to keep track of, for us to sit on. And I will also pad the backrest once I come up with a suitable design.

coastrat

so i bought a set from salty dog ...

Coastrat have you had a chance to put the rigging to the test? What do you think? My problem is I need to buy new EVERYTHING stainless cable-wise. I mean diamond wires trap lines and all the stuff holding up the mast. I like the idea of saving like $200-300 bucks but like you I take out a lot of young ladies...I can't risk a failure. I know you have a lot of experience with Prindle rigging so you are the man: Salty Dog or Murrays?

Thanks for any input

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pirateboy27, haven't rigged the boat up yet so i can't comment on the saltydog set. it looks good on inspection and such but it hasn't had my 25kt wind/4-7 seas stress test yet. my fat azz will test at full capacity hopefully within the next 2-3 weeks. it may just be a marketing thing but i perceive the murray's to be a higher quality simply because of price...i like the option of the hydraulic pressed eye on the ends of the shrouds but budget restraints sent me in the arms of salty dog...time will tell. i see standing rigging as a disposeable wear item on a well used cat like mine(4-6 years), and i really like to push the old girl...i gotta radio and tools, i'll get her home sooner or later!

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bill harris
hattiesburg, mississippi
prindle 16- "BLUE RIBBON"
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I think I'm going to send for the SaltyDog rigging set. I went to west marine today and while they were helpfull, I was running around town trying to get enough pieces together to make up a complete set. They didn't have enough parts if you put all the stock from three stores together. I finally got fed up running to all the hardware stores within reach and after figuring out the retail prices of all the small pieces cost after even finding them, I wasn't saving very much. I hope the SaltyDog rigging sets are good.

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I hope the SaltyDog rigging sets are good.

They are in my opinion. I ordered a complete set of standing rigging and a main halyard from Salty Dog about a year and a half ago for a Hobie 14T. I've used it a lot since. I'm very pleased with it.

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Thank you. Thats good to hear.

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but like you I take out a lot of young ladies

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golfdad75

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but like you I take out a lot of young ladies

I'm 48, married to a fantastic babe, and have 2 daughters, 13 and 19. The young ladies I take out are them, and thier friends. I just WISH I was this big time playah....like coastrat is

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i'm a sex machine!!!....just ask my right hand!!!

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bill harris
hattiesburg, mississippi
prindle 16- "BLUE RIBBON"
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Coastrat, advice for you and your lover: shower her with romantic adventures that take you both to new, exotic locations where relaxation and stimulation go hand-in-hand. She will surely purr with delight in these exciting and exhilerating settings. Champagne and dark chocolate can enhance and heighten her sense of arousal. These sublime efforts will initiate a fireworks display fit for Independance Day: 1976 Style.

Oh yeah, wash your hands when your done Dude.

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bill harris
hattiesburg, mississippi
prindle 16- "BLUE RIBBON"
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I received the rigging set for my P16 from Salty Dog Marine. It is a nice looking set of rigging. It has two swags on every end except the little pig tail thing and it is double swagged at the large ring on that part. I can't be for sure since they didn't have all the hardware needed to make a full set of rigging when I went to make it up at west marine, but I don't think I could have made it any cheaper myself after purchasing everything at retail. I'm very pleased with this complete set of standing rigging from Salty Dog Marine. Now, the only thing I'm still missing is a boom. Although I do still need to modify my kayak trailer (modified jet ski trailer) to carry the catamaran. And Cathy has stated she would go sailing with me when I get it ready so I'm gonna still have to make a pair of backrests for her. I have this figured out and just need to get the metal for both the backrests and the trailer modifications. This is going to work as long as Cathy is able to enjoy herself.



Edited by dtfuqua on Mar 24, 2012 - 01:49 PM.

There is one for sale in the classifieds

http://www.TheBeachcats.c…43-prindle-16-parts.html

just remember shipping long items like that adds a lot.

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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
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1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
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Thanks. Shipping can sometimes cost more than the parts are worth. I am also looking into how to make my own boom but can't get any good pictures of one to figure it out. Theres no hurry yet so I still have options.

Does the prindle 16 use a bolt rope on the boom as a H16 does?

I would put a wanted add on CL, there has to be plenty of those around.

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I put an ad on CL just for parts to a catamaran figuring I could make just about anything work but haven't heard anything back yet. That boom in the classifieds here is just quite a bit too expensive for me. I had to spring for the option of new rigging because there were broken strands in almost all of the rigging that I got with the boat. That was a have to situation. I know I can make a boom from a piece of lumber but haven't been able to find a good enough picture of one to figure out how to make up a substitute for the real boom yet. If I find one I can afford with shipping and all, I'll get it but I know I have options on this one part.

ebay boom
http://www.ebay.com/itm/P…h=item231ad5d017&vxp=mtr



Edited by Quarath on Mar 26, 2012 - 05:17 PM.

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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
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1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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bacho

Does the prindle 16 use a bolt rope on the boom as a H16 does?

I would put a wanted add on CL, there has to be plenty of those around.

No is loose footed.

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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
Member: Utah Sailing Association
1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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I have seen that boom on ebay. Right now, it is just about twice my budget. being n"loose footed, I should be able have one made/make it from parts I can have made whenever the bank gets right if there isn't anything available. I keep getting small things cropping up like needing to fix some old repairs that were just half hidden till I started checking things out. Started with a small blister and wound up much more but nothing I can't handle. One thing I need an opinion about is weather or not I need to fix the soft spots on the decks before trying the boat out for safety or am I running a big chance of breaking the hulls.

Were are the spots at. If they are where you sit then I would consider doing them first. If they are in front maybe ok if light wind low stress test drive.

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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
Member: Utah Sailing Association
1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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the entire front upper decks are soft. I guess I'll have to fix those first because I don't want any disasters. Really want to just have fun with it once I get it to the water. Don't want to find something new that has to be fixed NOW every time I try to sail it. That would mess the fun part up

Sailing an old boat the first few times is kinda like that regardless in my opinion. Though I have not done it yet I have to do the same repair on my Hobie 17 soon. It is a well documented repair and should not be be to difficult for either of us I hope. I have the west systems for mine I need to find out if I need filler for it or if thinner is better to get into all the cracks. I still need syringes and a few odds and ends.

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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
Member: Utah Sailing Association
1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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I found a place that sells the same stuff from a company called MARPRO and it is about half the cost of the west system. Does anybody know weather or not their products are any good? If the soft spots would have been safe to sail for the summer, I would have been able to tell weather the gel coat was any good and would have used that as an example of the quality of their products. I would like to know before I do the injection thing because thats probably not going to be able to re-do it if the products don't have the adhesive qualities needed to grab onto the insides of the two layers and make them as one again.
Also, on the filler thing. Doesn't the tutorial on that say that the filler is what gives the repair its strength?



Edited by dtfuqua on Mar 28, 2012 - 12:02 AM.

Well, I'm still at it. I bought the MarPRO epoxies and went to work First picture is showing the whole top on the hull taped off for drilling. The second shows the small area at the back of the hull where I started to try to get a feel for what I'm getting into. I feel like it should be a disaster but I'm about half finished with this one and where the epoxie is seems a lot tougher that I expected it to be seeing how it felt while doing this. There is more to be done on this deck but I am hopeful. One thing I can add to all the suggestions about doing this job. Have a friend help out. If for no other reason than to hand you pieces of tape to cover the holes where the epoxie starts flowing out. I'm not sure but I think the tape will hold if applied before the epoxie over flows and wets the first tape layer that I used to protect the surface of the deck. I had some do the job but where I was slow getting the tape over a lot of the holes, the tape didn't hold too well.



Edited by dtfuqua on Apr 16, 2012 - 05:28 PM.