Most of the people I take out on my boat are under 130lbs each, and even with 3 people aboard we have plenty of power to triple trap on the N20. I installed the 3rd trap today, I have a couple questions. How much weight can I put on the wires before I am asking for trouble? I have a 550lb limit in my mind.

Related question, what are the rules as far as racing with 3 aboard? I am not looking for an advantage here, there is just some situations where I would like to do it. This would be more about introducing a new person to racing more than anything else.

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You have to see if carbon mast will hold it .. As for racing you wont get penalized if you are racing with portsmouth numbers you should be getting a heavy 3 handicap which actually helps you out... I race alot on I 20 and race my f-17 .. I wouldn't want three people on the boat but then again that's my preference... You need to learn how to depower the boat ... A lot has to do with mast rotation, down haul and some traveler.. The boat I race on we both are about 175 pounds which is lite for the I 20 boat ... We don't have any problems until it starts blowing over 20 knots ...

i have seen alum masts fold in 1/2 because there was to much weight (3 men) on a boat in pretty heavy air. just more force than designed for.


I have recently seen a 6meter boat with all the bulkheads torqued (ripped out of place) and our guess is it was sailed very hard with 2 on the wire and one still on the wing in heavy air / waves

I read that every 7mph increase doubles the stress on your rig (and boat)


I have been on a g-cat, 2 onboard, single trapped (i was hiking hard) ... and the rudder simply broke in 1/2 and was gone in a heartbeat (granted not a new rudder)...

when you exceed the designed weight limits / strengths ... you risk your gear

This isn't about having too much power, its just about having more fun.I am not talking 3 200lb men on the wire, but 3 150 lb people. That's only 450lbs, I am not gonna be stupid about it.

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Hey Bacho,
The rig can handle the weight. It is sailed a lot with teams (including myself at times) over 500#. As for your second question, you can read about the rules at US Sailing, but don't expect to show up with 3 traps and 3 on board and expect to get away with it. The above statement regarding not getting penalized would not apply with 3 on the boat and 3 traps. In addition, you will take a TR hit (0.981). Add to that the modifier frowns on using the H3 allowance anyway(it applies to 2 up only). The boat is a two up platform and if you go three you will take an additional hit. The hit is at the discretion of the PRO. If it is blowing and there are reaching legs (i.e. distance race) you will get protested. Don't expect to show up at a race that has a N20 class (five boats) with 3 on board. Now for recreational sailing we have done it a lot down in the Gulf and it can be fun. For those reasons by all means do it.

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I was talking about Portsmouth racing so he could race with the correct modifier doesn't specify people in Portsmouth racing. Thats why there is a modifier for added traps , beam, sail, mast and every other thing you can add to a boat.. When Portsmouth racing you don't have to follow class rules, but expect to take a penalty for not following the class rules ... I was not talking about 1 design racing .... I could show up with none class legal sails beamed out and three traps on a I20 for Portsmouth racing, there would be the appropriate modifiers for it .... We have a guy with a Hobie 17, with a large spinnaker none class legal mainsail and he is able to race with the appropriate modifiers ... Again not for class racing ....



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We have a guy with a Hobie 17, with a large spinnaker none class legal mainsail and he is able to race with the appropriate modifiers ... Again not for class racing

Phil?

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We have a guy with a Hobie 17, with a large spinnaker none class legal mainsail and he is able to race with the appropriate modifiers ... Again not for class racing

Phil?

LOL yes we had Phil ....

Hello?? My response spoke specifically and directly about Portsmouth. Everything you just posted is pretty elementary. No, we all understand it's not one design racing and you missed the point. Yes, we are talking Portsmouth racing.

George1067

the correct modifier doesn't specify people in Portsmouth racing.

No, the modifier doesn't specify it , the DPN Class designation does. That's covered in the original base rating. You apply the base rating first and then the modifier.
The US Sailing Portsmouth rules state:

"All ratings for ONE-DESIGN and OPEN CLASS racing are BASED on boats being equipped with class approved sails and other class approved equipment. Each competitor shall declare ALL non class approved sails and equipment and shall comply with minimum total crew weight and NUMBER OF CREW."

George1067

As for racing you wont get penalized if you are racing with portsmouth numbers

Simply not true.

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Hello?? My response spoke specifically and directly about Portsmouth. Everything you just posted is pretty elementary. No, we all understand it's not one design racing and you missed the point. Yes, we are talking Portsmouth racing.

George1067

the correct modifier doesn't specify people in Portsmouth racing.

No, the modifier doesn't specify it , the DPN Class designation does. That's covered in the original base rating. You apply the base rating first and then the modifier.
The US Sailing Portsmouth rules state:


"All ratings for ONE-DESIGN and OPEN CLASS racing are BASED on boats being equipped with class approved sails and other class approved equipment. Each competitor shall declare ALL non class approved sails and equipment and shall comply with minimum total crew weight and NUMBER OF CREW."

George1067

As for racing you wont get penalized if you are racing with portsmouth numbers

Simply not true.

Good Morning Andrew

I meant to say you will for some reason it auto corrected to wont . As far as what you are reading guess you didn't find this table for modifiers

MH Modification Factors

(D-PN ) modified = (D-PN)(MF)1(MF)2
(HC) modified = (HC)(MF)1(MF)2



All ratings for ONE-DESIGN and OPEN CLASS racing are based on boats being equipped with class approved sails and other class approved equipment. Each competitor shall declare ALL non class approved sails and equipment and shall comply with minimum total crew weight and number of crew. Ratings do not include spinnaker unless specified in tables.
It is expected that boats with underweight crews will add the prescribed weight to meet class rules and that skippers and crews usually compete in the classes in which they sail the best for their combined weight and local sailing conditions. Ratings do not include spinnaker or carbon equipment unless indicated in the Tables or as allowed under one-design class rules.

For clarification:
1) For class normally without spinnaker carrying a second one, apply modification factor for each.
2) For class normally with spinnaker carrying one or more additional headsails, apply modification factor for
each.
3) Also note the Other penalty for other deviations not identified below.



US SAILING CODE

DESCRIPTION

D-PN Modification Factor (MF)
for Beaufort Range
0-1 2-3 4 5-9
TR For carrying trapezes above class allowance, per trapeze 0.981 1.000 0.988 0.981 0.963
US Class normally with small jib*, sailing uni without jib 1.026 1.036 1.030 1.026 1.026
UL Class normally with large jib*, sailing uni without jib 1.076 1.075 1.083 1.076 1.060
JS Class normally without jib, carrying small jib* 0.975 0.965 0.971 0.975 0.975
JL Class normally without jib, carrying large jib* 0.941 0.940 0.933 0.929 0.938
SP Class normally without spinnaker, genoa, reacher, hooter or wire/rope luff headsail attached to a pole, carrying one or more 0.960 0.953 0.958 0.960 0.960
SN Class normally with spinnaker, genoa, reacher, hooter or wire/rope luff headsail attached to a pole, not equipped with one 1.020 1.030 1.025 1.020 1.010
MN For non-class legal mainsail, of same sail area or less than class legal mainsail (formerly square top adjustment) 0.995 0.990 0.990 0.995 0.995
ML For non-class legal mainsail, of greater sail area* than standard main 0.980 0.969 0.975 0.980 0.985
JU For larger than standard jib 0.995 0.984 0.990 0.995 1.000
MT For taller mast than standard 0.995 0.990 0.990 0.995 0.995
BM For wider than standard beam 0.995 1.005 1.000 0.990 0.984

UNDERWEIGHT PENALTIES
Penalties apply for underweight crews who do not add weights to meet class rules
L1 For total crew weight less than class min. crew wt. but at least 90% of class min. crew wt. 0.991 0.990 0.991 0.996 0.999
L2 For total crew weight less than 90% of class min. crew wt. but at least 80% of class min. crew wt. 0.983 0.980 0.983 0.991 0.997
L3 For total crew weight less than 80% of class min. crew wt. but at least 70% of class min. crew wt. 0.974 0.970 0.974 0.987 0.996
L4 For total crew weight less than 70% of class min. crew wt. or for singlehanding a sloop
not having class min. crew weights. 0.970 0.965 0.970 0.985 0.995
OPTIONAL ALLOWANCES
Optional allowances for heavy crew weight are designedfor local fleet racing
and not recommended to be applied at divisional levels, regional levels or above
Do not add weight in order to become eligible for H1, H2 or H3 weight allowances



H1 For total crew weight at least 110% of class min. crew wt. but less than 120% of class min. crew wt. 1.003 1.010 1.007 1.003 1.000
H2 For total crew weight at least 120% of class min. crew wt. but less than 130% of class min. crew wt. 1.006 1.020 1.013 1.006 1.000
H3 For total crew weight more than 130% of class min. crew wt. 1.010 1.030 1.020 1.010 1.000

Other

Any other deviations from standard class configurations, including the addition of wings, can be assessed a penalty of at least 0.995. Multiple deviations may incur multiple penalties. Penalties may be greater than 0.995. Please identify any such modifications and penalties assigned and include with results reported to the handicap committee and Portsmouth Numbers Committee.
*Definitions
Same Sail Area: within 5% of Calculated Approximate Sail Area
Greater Sail Area: 5% of larger difference in Calculated Approximate Sail Area
Small jibbed boats: boats with standard jib tacked to bridal wires and hoisted to or below mast hounds
Large jibbed boats: boats with foils or jibs with tack attached to the deck or from cross beam and/or head attached above mast hounds
We strive to improve the validity of US SAILING's Portsmouth Numbers for all boats.
You and your club/fleet can help this effort by forwarding your race results annually by November 1
to US SAILING, Portsmouth Numbers Committee, P O Box 1260, Portsmouth, RI 02871,

See the part of none legal class main sail adjustment ?? I sailed a heavily modified Stiletto 23 trust me I know about DPN numbers changing .. My number got almost as low as a f-18 64.5 ... Just ask Phil LOL... You also left out the part of Portsmouth number changing do to Beaufort wind speed .. Common scenes would tell you base then correction and then Beaufort scale correction .... I have been Portsmouth racing for over 25 years .... Wanted to make it simple for guy who obviously didn't understand PTS numbers but you seemed to make it a pissing contest instead ... Sorry for the the miss type of will and wont on my original post .. I wont let it happen again

George,

Don't be a d*ck. Beaufort range and non class main sail adjustments have nothing to do with your rant. You're babbling about what? Missed modifier formulas? Are you kidding? It's all elementary handicap 101. I didn't need to brief the viewer on the whole US Sailing Portsmouth HC system. You're babbling about wind speed, non-class sails, formulas and for what? And I'm certainly not going to waste my time selling you on my resume.
The point was you stated that 3 up won't hurt Bacho in his rating, but would help him. While you are LOL, justify that with facts. I politely and indirectly clarified how the HC ratings will adjust for 3 up. (No pissing). You chose to argue that point with another inaccurate statement, that I, again, this time more directly, had to clarify for you. I also made points to situations that Bacho would likely encounter in his sailing neck of the wood, which is also mine (i.e. Hartwell, Gulf coast, etc). NO pissing contest here, but piss my way and expect the same, but with a heavier shower.

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George,
Don't be a d*ck. Beaufort range and non class main sail adjustments have nothing to do with your rant. You're babbling about what? Missed modifier formulas? Are you kidding? It's all elementary handicap 101. I didn't need to brief the viewer on the whole US Sailing Portsmouth HC system. You're babbling about wind speed, non-class sails, formulas and for what? And I'm certainly not going to waste my time selling you on my resume.
The point was you stated that 3 up won't hurt Bacho in his rating, but would help him. While you are LOL, justify that with facts. I politely and indirectly clarified how the HC ratings will adjust for 3 up. (No pissing). You chose to argue that point with another inaccurate statement, that I, again, this time more directly, had to clarify for you. I also made points to situations that Bacho would likely encounter in his sailing neck of the wood, which is also mine (i.e. Hartwell, Gulf coast, etc). NO pissing contest here, but piss my way and expect the same, but with a heavier shower.

Tp paraphrase Shakespheare "Much ado about nothing"

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Hummp,
... . You ranted about how he will not be able to race with three traps and get away with it down here read your post... You made the pore guy think he wont be able to race.
.... You took his post and basically told him your screwed don't come here and race we will protest you .. I just wanted to let some one know who was probably unfamiliar with Portsmouth racing that he can put on three traps and race.. Were in the modifier does it say three up, if you know your Portsmouth rating so well. He would get penalized for trap -.981 faster .. He would have a slower rating for h3 factor for his weight +1.010 , with three people, so giving negative for trap and the plus for H3, he is going to get a slower rating buy .029. So he will end with a slower rating instead of a faster rating .So basically there is no diffidence with him having a triple trap .. Only way being is if he is under weight or at class weight , he would he have a faster rating .. May be you have another Portsmouth rating system I don't know about ?? That is why it seems you needed the the modifier portion of the Multi hull tables. I thought may be you were on the mono hull page . I was never trying to give you my resume please.. ... As far as you implying a heavier peeing shower, I wouldn't know about that sort of thing frankly sounds kinda weird to me ...



Edited by George1067 on Feb 28, 2012 - 02:04 PM.

mummp

Hey Bacho, Now for recreational sailing we have done it a lot down in the Gulf and it can be fun. For those reasons by all means do it.

This sums up my reasons for wanting the 3rd trap. In December I had Tyler and my little sister on my boat, had we had enough wind I think it would have been pretty fun to triple trap.

Racing 3 up was just a thought, for example last November I was at a regatta with a bunch of A-cats and one Hobie 18. I was put in the open class which was just me vs the 18. I had a cousin who really wanted to come sailing that weekend with us, the regatta was really laid back and probably wouldn't have cared if I put him aboard. I just wanted the official word.

My 3rd trap is removable in less than 5 minutes, or I could just tape a dog bone to disable it. I am by no means stuck with it. Haha.

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You guys are cracking me up.

Both of you please find the paragraph key before I go blind.

To answer the questions in the original post (OP)

bacho

How much weight can I put on the wires before I am asking for trouble?

You should ask a dealer, maybe it's in the technical specs for the boat, but I suspect your 550 pounds would be ok since it's pretty normal for two grown men to weigh that. Also consider that, in the realm of a 20 foot beachcat with that kind of power, 550 pounds isn't that much compared to the forces involved. Disclaimer: I know nothing! If you break your $11,000 mast with 550 pounds you are on your own!

bacho

Related question, what are the rules as far as racing with 3 aboard?

There is no clear answer to this question, the only way you will know how this will be handled in a particular regatta is to speak to the PRO (Primary Race Officer) and the fellow competitors. The answer might vary based on the level of competition, nature of the three crew, (one of them is a kid?), type of course (three would probably be a handicap on triangles but could be an advantage on high wind distance races).

The only thing I'll comment on about the Portsmouth info is that I have never seen a race committee or PRO allow the H1-3 overweight modification and I have tried to get it used since I'm always overweight unless I'm solo, and then I get penalized for that, even though it's a huge disadvantage to single hand a two hand boat when racing around the buoys... Don't get me started on ratings I'm about to go off on a rant of my own!

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I have never had a problem triple trapping on my boat. The wing weight limit on my boat is 550 lbs. So I usually put a light weight on the third trap right over the forward leg with the heavy weight sailors over the aft leg.

I have already rebuilt my wing sockets and made them incredibly strong, so that is a non issue........

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You guys are cracking me up.

Both of you please find the paragraph key before I go blind.

The only thing I'll comment on about the Portsmouth info is that I have never seen a race committee or PRO allow the H1-3 overweight modification and I have tried to get it used since I'm always overweight unless I'm solo, and then I get penalized for that, even though it's a huge disadvantage to single hand a two hand boat when racing around the buoys... Don't get me started on ratings I'm about to go off on a rant of my own!

We use the weight mods light and heavy in our club at every race .. We have over 200 members 110 boats .. We even had to use the triple trap heavy mod on a Hobie 21, so the scenario is not unheard of .. We run races every other weekends and there is every type cat that runs the spectrum.. Glad we could provide some entertainment for you, is that whats it is all about enjoy the ride Thanks :lol

George1067

We use the weight mods light and heavy in our club at every race .. We have over 200 members 110 boats .. We even had to use the triple trap heavy mod on a Hobie 21, so the scenario is not unheard of .. We run races every other weekends and there is every type cat that runs the spectrum.. Glad we could provide some entertainment for you, is that whats it is all about enjoy the ride Thanks :lol

What club is that? Sounds like I need to be there if they are "heavy friendly"

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We use the heavy and light modifiers accordingly ,, We have over 200 members and 110 boats .. We have 14 races in our short season and usually have 20 to 25 boats that makes each race , with more than half being Spinnaker boats . Usually four f-18 four f-17 and three I-20 and collection of almost every Hobie made . We actually did have the h3 and tipple trap modifiers on a Hobie 21 in one of our distance races .. I am Glad we could entertain you and would like to also take the time and Thank you for the site ..

Sandy Hook Catamaran club at the Jersey Shore come on up for our Statue of Liberty race July 1 this year may be we can get the Situation to crew for you ......

Sorry for the intermission folks, had to tend to the real world . . . . you know, work, employees, etc. then a concert. Allow me to respond. Damon, I will employ the paragraph key.

It has previously been psycho-babbled:

George1067

As posted before I said, WONT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WILL thanks to auto correct it changed itself , can you read ?

Well slap my knee GeorgeAnnie. I'm so sorry. This has been a big misunderstanding due to the 'ole auto correct and your post changing itself. Darn that auto correct gets me sometimes too. I'll buy you a beer. Hey maybe you can send me some of those vitamins your taking. After reading your prose they seem to be the kind that let you go on a trip but you never leave the room.

Buried in copious diatribe it was asked (again):

George1067

Were in the modifier does it say three up, if you know your Portsmouth rating so well.

I'm guessing you meant "Where" not "Were". Must be the darn "anti" correct this time . . . .
Anyhow, please try to pay attention this time, as we have already gone over this before. Sit down, turn off Oprah, read it SLOWLY, then read it again. Maybe, just maybe you might get it. As I stated before . . .

Philip previously explained to Ritalin deficient ADHD ears:

mummp

No, the modifier doesn't specify it , the DPN Class designation does. That's covered in the original base rating.

OK, I'm guessing right now either your brain is hurting or a light just went off and you want to crawl in the corner and hide. Nah, you're just to argumentative for that. That adolescent tendency to have the last word and all. So focus on the class designation please, not the modifier. Are you with me? Do I need to slow down?

Class designation, you know, under Multihull Classes it is listed . . . ready for this, the Nacra 20, a one design class boat. Shocking isn't it. The Nacra class rules stipulate that the platform is sailed with a crew of TWO!

OMG, pick yourself up off the floor and get back into your desk and wipe the drool off your bib. Ok, this is where you might go into vapor lock, so concentrate. Take a deep breath. Breathe out. Read it slowly and let's try to put the pieces together. . .

US SAILING GOD ALMIGHTY

And so it is written . . .

"All ratings for ONE-DESIGN and OPEN CLASS racing are BASED on boats being equipped with class approved sails and other class approved equipment. Each competitor shall declare ALL non class approved sails and equipment and shall comply with minimum total crew weight and NUMBER OF CREW."

Focus on the word "ONE-DESIGN" and the word "BASED" and the words "COMPLY WITH NUMBER OF CREW".
For now try not to get hung up on non class approved sails, etc. I'll spell it out for you:
The Portsmouth ratings are BASED on the ONE-DESIGN approved class (in this case the Nacra 20) and you should COMPLY with the class design NUMBER OF CREW (which is two). Deviate from the standard class design and configuration (ie: 3 on board) take a hit.

Again, the modifier doesn't need to specify this , the DPN Class designation and standard configuration does it already. Are you paying attention? It does not have to be specifically listed in the modification tables to receive an adjustment (i.e. lifting foils, curved boards, wings, 3 crew on board, synthetic standing rigging, etc.). The Class designation/ standard configuration takes care of this. Funny thing is you posted this fact already.

George1067's mindless cut and paste that he himself is arguing against

Any other deviations from standard class configurations, including the addition of wings, can be assessed a penalty of at least 0.995. Multiple deviations may incur multiple penalties. Penalties may be greater than 0.995.

Problem is you just don't comprehend what you posted.

Come to think of it, this is probably over your head. I give up. Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life here . . .

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Hummp, Sorry I couldn't get back to you last night I know you felt the need to tell every one how important you feel you are with your opening paragraph . Not that any one else here has has a job employees Etc you know a life ... I am sorry to disappoint you ..So self absorbed we are Hummp


I would have to say that I guess you know more than our racing program of 30 years and the person who runs it. A Hobie 17 national champ three times and also placed in the Hobie 16 worlds so he probably doesn't know one design does he. Guess youss bes rights mans wes nuttin but a bunch of dumb asses .. I missed spelled that on purpose Mr. Arrogant piss boy .. Also when writing to your reply's I am mutli tasking so excuse me for making a couple errors as you pointed out but I do apricate it Thank you there might be a couple more so please let me know again ...


So you would be right, by what the original Dpn statement 2 up, but the h3 is for weight not people. We like to encourage racing, so we feel the penality from class rule to penalize for three is unfair and the same goes for single handed boats that sail with two people... You already are at a disadvantage , on any beach cat over class weight .. But Gilligan can't see past that point . So yes hummp you are correct and I am wrong buy not penalizing for not class .... Sorry we use the weight ratings at our club guess we should check with you Hummp next time. Why dont you ask some of the top f-18 north east guys, who race our Statue of Liberty distance race each year, (going on its 30 th year) if we use the weight modifiers ?? They don't seem to have a problem with it .
.. If you know so much then if at a race, why wouldn't you let some one sail with three people and tipple trap and keep your mouth shut and laugh, because your are unable to do that . Bet you make getting laid a complication . Again your not at a national I 20 event, are they even any I 20 events any more Hummp??? No boat is dead, not even in Nacras production line any more ....Your are at a what follow me now, READ... Portsmouth race with modifiers.. .. Psssssst I know some one who knows you and races against you ,they say you cry like a spoiled brat all the time at races . Since you don't use the heavy modifier do you even use the light ratings? Do you even check for making class weight for every class ?? I bet your the type that just uses what suits his needs best, and argues everything else just like this ....How funny to argue about three up being a advantage

, See you sent the guy packing even before the race. See what I am saying folks d*ck tude that's what got the ball rolling nice and friendly response..

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but don't expect to show up with 3 traps and 3 on board and expect to get away with it.

 Why didn't you say there are some modifiers that will apply and extend a invite to race ... How friendly you are ... You can just tell speaks volumes about you ..

... I know your type your the d*ck at the races who is always crying about something, race comity, course, equipment wind shift to A mark. Looking for none class legal tramps or in your case probably checking line thickness to that of class specks (bet you would protest that ) .Your the type who takes the fun out of racing and discourage people from racing .. Every club has one or two, do you even belong to a club? Most clubs frown on people like you ...

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NO pissing contest here, but piss my way and expect the same, but with a heavier shower.

Like I stated before think you should go find some one for you golden showers, boy you need a outlet you spent way to much time on this ... Your a funny guy and no I wouldn't let you buy me a beer you may roofie me and I may find you standing over me peeing on me ...

What are you going to do when I 20 goes to f-20 rule god, I would not want to be at any where near a race with you in it, they could never get a race off .. You should just man up and go f-18 or f-16 since you talk class racing ... I will look for you at the next f-18 event ..

Hummpy besses corrects

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The Portsmouth ratings are BASED on the ONE-DESIGN approved class (in this case the Nacra 20) and you should COMPLY with the class design NUMBER OF CREW (which is two). Deviate from the standard class design and configuration (ie: 3 on board) take a hit.

[See unlike you, most people would realize that any beach cat with three on board would already be taking a hit, so we don't penalize for that .. We see it as a disadvantage so that's why we give the h3 rating .. But your so smart that you see 3 on a beach cat as a advantage. Wow do tell how heavier equals faster? How is a platform designed for its optimum weight being over loaded is a advantage .. See D*cks like you make people not want to race .. Your so oxygen starved and consumed buy your own self loathing, your the only one I know of that sees weight being a advantage on beach cat .. Well you may be right 5 to 10 % of the time hmmmm so I am wrong again . It is nice to see they do have a work program still going strong for mentally impaired .. Go back to work licking stamps and envelopes now .

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you're just to argumentative for that. That adolescent tendency to have the last word and all.

Lets see will you contradict your own line Hummp?? Bait is set come get it ....

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Your picture with Hooters and Toys R Us kinda creepy but hey when you strike out at hooters, you do have the Toys R Us to go trolling at, probably you could score there with you personality..



Edited by George1067 on Feb 29, 2012 - 11:23 AM.

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Hey guys (George and Mummp) Two very important things 1) It is not very entertaining reading 2) Who cares other than you guys Now lets take a show of hands How many people think this is entertaining or valuable reading? Coastrat put your hand down, the golden showers is not Miller Lite.

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Your choice to read LOL ......Come on now that's funny But ya I do I agree with you

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so, is it bud light?....i know one thing for sure it wasn't cold at all. had a little "wang" to it...tasted like this beer i had once on a camping trip these guys gave me, they sure laughed a lot while i was drinking it but what the heck, it was free!

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Hey guys (George and Mummp) Two very important things 1) It is not very entertaining reading 2) Who cares other than you guys Now lets take a show of hands How many people think this is entertaining or valuable reading? Coastrat put your hand down, the golden showers is not Miller Lite.

1. I agree (with George), if you don't want to read / hear what they have to say.. .click away
2. i love to watch Philip argue.. (it is usually with me),
3. there is actually a lot of interesting / valuable info in this thread

4. Bill.... ahhh nevermind... carry-on :)

Thank you MN3 hats off to you , guess I was right about hummp hmmm .. We all know and love them any way lol ...

Well how would I know if it was interesting reading if I clicked away. You Yankees are strange people.

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It's pretty simple if you didn't find it entertaining or informational the first time .. Why would you even want to go back and read .. I don't know guess me being a Yankee and strange as you put it, gives me the ability to figure out if the first read didn't entertain me and the subject matter didn't change, well from there its pretty rudimentary.. But hey I am a Yankee and strange, that is why this subject matter and this thread is now long overdue , to be considered dead and beating a dead horse ...



Edited by George1067 on Mar 04, 2012 - 09:51 AM.

What a play on words. Now I am trying to figure out if over do is a play on words . If it is a play on words kudos to you. Somehow I doubt it.

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Goofdad75

Just trying to keep the conversation lively.

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I didn't know this was a conversation but okay... We are now quoting Shakespeare on a cat sailing site .. I am happy for you that you can quote Shakespeare talk about getting off topic but hey each of us,feels the need to show our abilities.. Since you didn't add to the sailing part of this thread only your dislike of it , guess you can add to the literary portion for that I personally Thank you for your input...



Edited by George1067 on Mar 04, 2012 - 03:38 PM.