Anyone from the SoCal area aware of an organized group of beachcats sailing to Catalina Island, maybe from Dana Point, spending the night and then sailing back in the morning? Used to be a common occurance with a chase boat. I would really like to do this.

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Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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I would go, I've watched so many videos and read so much about this, it looks awesome. It would be great to go with a chase boat and proper gear. I'm in Utah.

I'm in Phx area and plan to make the Catalina trip the weekend of 7/13. Would be great to go with another boat. Anyone interested?

wnowak

I'm in Phx area and plan to make the Catalina trip the weekend of 7/13. Would be great to go with another boat. Anyone interested?

Love to, but I am racing near Santa Barbara that weekend. i think I saw your post on the Prindle FB page.
Have you done this before? I understand there are a few logistics like where to keep your boat during your hotel stay, or permits for camping on specific beaches not very near Avalon.
Possible someone here knows the ins and outs of Catalina?
Anyone?

BTW wnowak, a few of us are gathering at the Bermuda Flat end of Roosevelt Lake this weekend, Fleet 42 has scheduled a Family Fun weekend there. Afternoon winds are forecast to be about 14 kts both days.



Edited by klozhald on May 14, 2013 - 10:50 AM.

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Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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I'm definitely interested in this for next year. Sailing form Dana would not be ideal due to it's longer distance (32 miles), much lighter breeze, and upwind angle. I think sailing straight from Long Beach or even better, San Pedro would make a nice reach in far better breeze and only a distance of 17 miles. I'm not certain where we could beach the cats but I think Two Harbors may work. For a bit more distance, perhaps round the West side and enter Cat Harbor as there may be more opportunities for landing/camping. Is there any organization that runs an event like this? If not, we can still setup our own if we agree on a date and organize the logistics.
Paul
F18 Phantom
FRA 115

Hobiegary is the guy with the experience doing this run. If someone could get in contact with him, he'd be most helpful.

Dave

I would also be into a catalina trip next year ,I am pretty sure I could rattle up another 2 boats.A buddy of mine did an anacapa run this year....very little wind and TEN hours on the water!



Edited by onekiwi on Oct 24, 2013 - 09:17 PM.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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Quick question guys, when you say "next year" are you talking about next spring because that's when the winds are very consistently out of the northwest?

I only ask because I've had a trip like this in the back of my mind for some time now, planning to leave from Cabrillo beach in San Pedro and was curious if you guys knew more about optimum wind season.

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Cole
DTLA
'81 H16 Project to Catalina
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I did this trip many times in the 80's and just sailed from San Pedro (Cabrillo Bech) to Two Isthmus Harbor. We found fair winds in July. All we did was to double-wrap sleeping bags and secure them on the tramp. Once at Two Harbors, we just dragged the cats beyond the tide line and settled in. I believe there are shower facilities and a small store, also, a restaurant. Some people choose to camp at the campground, but that was optional back then. I'm trying to find an old Two Isthmus Harbor brochure with more info but I'm certain you can go online. By the way, I won that 10 hour Frenchy's Rum Run Race to Anacapa. All the other boats decided to be towed in and I stuck it out. I'm getting too old to be out on a cat that long!!! I'm up for it when anybody wants to go. I can either go in my Dart or Prindle 18-2, depending on the wind conditions to be expected. Robert R. Martinez

P.S. I've got a special helmet and goggles for Bob Videan to use!!!! He can even mount a GoPro camera on it!!!!

My son and I might be up for it depending on our summer schedule. We're new to sailing and have been looking to meet some folks in the sailing community. We're sailing a H18.

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Carl
Hobie 18
San Diego, CA
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DartMana

P.S. I've got a special helmet and goggles for Bob Videan to use!!!! He can even mount a GoPro camera on it!!!!

Are we talking about that white batting helmet?

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Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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catalina sounds like a great thing . out of newport harbor IM IN FOR SURE IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED
JUST PICK THE TIME AND DATE AN WHERE TO LAUNCH

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jellis
prindle 18-2
orange county ca.
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I would be up for it in late summer. Last time I went was end of August back in 2009. Sail out on Friday from San Pedro was overcast with no visual of the island and the way back on Sunday was blue sky and a fast sail. Rules are you have to sleep on the boat and pay same fees as other camp sites per person. I'll post some pics of the trip. We had two Tornados, one Nacra 5.8 and my Nacra 5.5.



Edited by davidsd on Jan 18, 2014 - 06:27 PM.

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David
Nacra 5.5SL
Nacra 5.2 (sold)
San Diego, CA
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Ok, I just learned how to get photos on so here are a couple.





Edited by davidsd on Jan 18, 2014 - 07:20 PM.

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David
Nacra 5.5SL
Nacra 5.2 (sold)
San Diego, CA
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if I can practice a good deal ahead of this event I might be up for it too so please keep me posted.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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My dad and I would be up for this in my NACRA 5.2! Someone just needs to pick a day and time.

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1976 Nacra 5.2
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Im down! CHECK MY EVENT POSTING HERE- Im trying to plan a Catalina trip. How many P19 owners do we have out there?? let's hear ya!!! Allan

Avalon is not cat friendly, so forget that. Focus on two harbors.
I have done this trip many many times ( my tornado is in David's picture ) and dartman is correct. They allow you to pull your boat up over in the little fishermans cove area. You can sleep on your boat, but nothing is allowed on the beach except the boat. You need to sleep on the boat. Some guys would haul a tent. I usually took a Tarp and strung it over the boom. You will need to pay for camping fees at the two harbor office. We would sleep on the boats and eat at the reef restaurant. There is hiking, kayaking, swimming and scuba diving if you desire.
We would make trips from April through October. Leaving out of Carrillo beach gives you the closest shot and the best wind angles. Usually a close reach going over and a wild spinnaker ride back. The trip can take two hours, or we've been as long as 6 hours to get over.
Not much point in leaving shore until 11:00 am ( either direction) as you will just float. Never used a chase boat, but we were always prepared for the worst. Radios, gps, people at home in the loop ect ect ......
The most successful crossings would come out of LA harbor at angles gate and sail up the coast a ways to the furman point buoy before heading across.

A great trip, I miss those days !!!!
Mark Corby

Those who are interested, please call me, and those who have done this many times please give as much of your input as possible. Thx!! 818-599-1030 Lets get a head count- Allan (God bless us sailors!!) Nothin like riding the wind!

Mark, why don't you join?

Mark, Where's Carrillo beach? Leo Carrillo?

Isn't San Pedro to two harbors the best shot?

never mind. I see it

Maybe we should plan on it. i'm game. Let's get some AZ boy'z and A Kiwi and have some fun!

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David
Nacra 5.5SL
Nacra 5.2 (sold)
San Diego, CA
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I would be in on this but, I have a week booked on a 38foot beachcat around then.Do want to come down and sail SD sometime

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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Hello all, I would like to join this if you are still looking to go. I have been the the Anacapa Island a few times in the last few months and would really like to do an over nighter at Catalina.

I hope im not to late to get in on this.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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We're heading to Avalon from Long Beach on Friday 9/26, return Sat 9/27 if there's any interest.

wnowak

We're heading to Avalon from Long Beach on Friday 9/26, return Sat 9/27 if there's any interest.

I am very interested. Just let me know when and how to get in touch with you and i will be there.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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Email me at nowakwill@gmail.com

Where are you planning to land in Avalon?

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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Since there were no posts since August I assumed it was not happening. Wouldn't you want to go to Two Harbors though?

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David
Nacra 5.5SL
Nacra 5.2 (sold)
San Diego, CA
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Im sorry I missed thisi if it did happen. Kids water polo games came up. I would be willing to go this weekend or just the day if anybody is interested.

Duane

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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Hi Duane. This is Bob from Ventura Sailing Club. I have the Darts and a Prindle 18-2. We're going to Catalina Island this Sat. on a Reynolds 33 catamaran. I'm hoping to go on my Prindle in November.Hopefully we can sail out there together.

Hello Bob, im free every other weekend and am willing to go. Sorry I missed the last meeting (was sick) but we are looking forwardto the next one.

On a side note, if I join the VSC this month will my membership be good only for the rest of the year and will I need to pay again injJan.?



Edited by cisdubs on Oct 16, 2014 - 08:58 AM.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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I want in.
I'm busy the weekend of Nov 1st but open after that. Duane, I too live in Simi Valley and keep my P19 at Ventura Marina. I try to go out every Saturday and am usually the only beach cat out there. We should hook-up sometime. I don't know who else is interested in going to Two Harbors, but there is Santa Cruz Island too as an alternative.

I will go to Santa Cruz island anytime. I just want to try the camping thing. Sounds like a really fun adventure.

We must just be missing each other on the weekends. I keep my boat in the garage and i try to go out every other weekend.

Just let me know when you want to go. Im always up for sailing.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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I would be interested in going.

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David
Nacra 5.5SL
Nacra 5.2 (sold)
San Diego, CA
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Duane, the membership covers the whole year. It starts when you pay. We need to set a date in November and check the weather and go. We can get a campsite or just sleep on the boats. There is a restaurant, a burger joint and showers available. David, we'd love to have you join us. We'll keep in touch. Santa Cruz Island is also a great day sail and I'm looking forward to a lot of fall and winter sailing out there with spfx. Come and join us Duane!!!

I would love to join an overnight camping trip to one of the islands either Catalina or one of the other Channel Islands this Fall or maybe next year so please keep me in mind. I have trailered my power boat to San Pedro Harbor and camped at Two Harbors before that was a fun trip. A Channel island trip sounds like a fun thing too. I have two boys in college at Santa Barbara, maybe one of them would even join...

I should say though, that I have limited (cat) sailing experience. I have had the Prindle 19 only for about a year and mostly been sailing in the San Diego bay usually with more experienced sailors like David (Nacra 5.5) in light to moderate winds. So not much experience in the open ocean and under more stiff wind conditions on beach cats (sailed mono hulls in the ocean). I have all the safety and camping gear GPS (also know the basics of coastal and off shore navigation from USPS classes), VHF, righting bag, tent etc. David's been real nice and helped get me jump started down here sailing my Prindle in Mission and the South Bay of San Diego. I also got some good advice from him about boat set up and gear etc.. and changed the standing rigging and fixed some soft spots on the hulls. The sails are still in good shape so the boat is ocean ready. Hopefully, the next few weeks I will make it out into the ocean from Oceanside Harbor...

If it doesn't work out this time, maybe next time. If someone keeps a list that I could be added to pls contact me to exchange emails/phone #s....



Edited by marekli on Oct 16, 2014 - 08:50 AM.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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I am free the weekends of 1-2, 15-16, 19-20 of Nov. Lets pick a weekend and really do this.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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Does anyone have an island preference? I'll do either, but have been wanting to go to Santa Cruz for a while.

15-16 or 19-20 works for me

Marek- I think you'd be fine going, but Dartman will have a better idea. I might be looking for crew if anyone is interested.


Lance

yeah, any suggestions or input more experienced sailors might have is welcome. Crewing may be an option for me although I'd really like to go out on my boat and may try talk an experienced sailor to join me on my P19. I have a good sailing friend but then camping on a trampolin or beach is not everyone's idea of fun...

On another note, I just picked up a GoProHero 3+ (black edition) and am looking for some mounting ideas, any suggestions? I don't think glueing the standard mounts to anything is really an option and after browsing the GoPro site found a couple of roll bar/pole mounts and then also a largerer clamp on an extendable goose neck which looked like it might come in handy.

Also, the 3+ Black was on sale at Costco, if anyone is also interested it is $50 of the normal price plus they throw in an extra battery pack. The flipside is that GoPro just launched their Hero 4+ Black and Silver models. The 4+ Silver is available for the additional $50 minus the extra battery but has some upgraded features and I understand slightly better pic quality from reading some of the reviews. I might end up returning and trading up to the 4+ Silver. Any folks with some input on that?

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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I have a contour camera and I mount it to my mountain biking helmet and just wear that. It makes for some good footage.

Lance I am going out this Sat if you would like to hook up let me know.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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Heading out with Dartman to Tow Harbors this weekend, but the following weekend for sure

Hello everyone. So I know this has been talked about for quite some time. I know im a noob to sailing. Only hag had my boat for about 4 months. I say we all get together on a date and really do this. If not to Catalina then Santa Cruz island. Come all you beachcat sailors.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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Dartman, his crew and myself are for Santa Cruz. Dartman (Bob) has commitments till the 15th. We are also thinking two nights and three days, but of course others can just stay the weekend. Be prepared for fickle weather this time of year. I've been caught out in high winds with 9ft swells as well as zero wind at night and no flashlight, radio, or other signaling device. Both times were on trips out the the islands. I suggest people read Bill Mattson's articles from his On The Wire days located on this site or maybe out on the web somewhere. Bill is interested in going too.


Anyone who's interested send me an email so we can make it happen.


Lance

lispfx@yahoo(dot)com

sounds like spfx/Dartman take off possibly 15./16., 22/23, 29./30. from Channel Island harbor...

a few useful links, e.g. NPS channel island camping info at:

http://www.nps.gov/chis/planyourvisit/camping.htm

and then channel island boating info at:

http://www.nps.gov/chis/planyourvisit/boating.htm

Mattson's page:

http://www.thebeachcats.com/OnTheWire/home1/res07lm8/hobie/archives/v5-i1/feature1.htm

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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Marek,

Leaving from Ventura Marina is closer and a better angle for the prevailing westerly winds. It's looking like Nov 22-23 or 22-24 for those staying longer. I keep my boat in mast up storage at the marina and could possibly arrange temporary overnight lockup for anyone coming the night before.

Lance

I'll have to take a rain check on that one. Enjoy the island and be safe.

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David
Nacra 5.5SL
Nacra 5.2 (sold)
San Diego, CA
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Im looking forward to this trip. Do we have a head count of who is going?

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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Looks like we may be in on this if it is the weekend of 22 ,will confirm tomorrow

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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I am hoping to do this with Carl.

Just a couple questions for those that have done this trip on a beach cat before...It looks like scorpion is the only place to camp...is this true or is there other options as well. Do they let you sleep on the boat or do you have to stay in the campground?

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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If you guys end up making one of these trips please be sure and take pictures so you can give a report!

Back in the 1990's and early 2000's there were a couple of good dudes named Bill Mattson and Gary Friesen who kind of pioneered the beachcat crossing to the Channel Islands and camping protocols.

Safety of course is a huge issue in the Pacific Ocean, or any open water, but especially the Pacific off Southern California both because of the water temperature and heavy shipping traffic.

I think there are more, but here are two stories about crossings, one by Bill and one by Gary. Hopefully they will inspire you or make you think twice, whatever is appropriate.

Crossing the Santa Barbara Channel on a Mystere 6.0
http://www.thebeachcats.c…hives/v5-i1/feature1.htm


Anacapa Island
A Bonus Trip to Close the Season
http://www.thebeachcats.c…ire/catsail/feature1.htm

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Damon Linkous
1992 Hobie 18
Memphis, TN

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Another similar story about Pacific distance sailing.
http://www.thebeachcats.c…day-on-santa-monica-bay/

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Damon Linkous
1992 Hobie 18
Memphis, TN

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and a trip to Catalina Island
http://www.thebeachcats.c…ture-to-catalina-island/

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Damon Linkous
1992 Hobie 18
Memphis, TN

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And good info from Bill Mattson in this forum topic from 2012

http://www.thebeachcats.c…nc=viewtopic&topic=13363

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Damon Linkous
1992 Hobie 18
Memphis, TN

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I've been in contact with Bill. He suggests Catalina as the better choice this time of year and is emailing me a take with list. I checked historical wind data and he's correct. http://www.wunderground.com/history/ More consistent winds out of the West and maybe even higher average speed for Catalina. Santa Cruz Island plot is highly scattered direction with Westerly picking up in the afternoon iffy. It does show max wind around 100mph for a number of years during November!

As for Santa Cruz camping, sites are 1/4 mile up the valley and since it's off season I don't expect them to care if you camp on your boat or not.

just moving up Bill Mattson's posting directly into this thread since it has a lot of MUST-READ info. A few other things that came to my mind mentioned in other postings:

- hand bearing compass
- anchor
- trolling motor
- paddles
- PVC pipes to roll cat onto the beach that can be stored in hulls

Bill used a SPOT locator so families could track and communicate. Delorme's InreachSE is a little step up that I am considering. Both require either an annual subscription or a slightly more expensive monthly payment (can be turned off or on at will). In his accounts Bill also stresses the importance of planning landing times, watching tides etc. washing up against rocks, preparing for rocky beaches.

Bill Matton's posting from 2012 in response to another request by a cat sailor (shaddo) here:

"I've been beachcat sailing to the Channel Islands for about 10 years. The majority of the trips have been to Santa Cruz Island, and I think I've hit about every land-able beach with trips originating from both Ventura and Santa Barbara. Also a couple of trips to Santa Rosa island, and one unsuccessful attempt from Santa Rosa to San Miguel. Finally, if memory serves, I've done three trips to Catalina. I've never attempted to doing a solo trip.

The fact that you are looking for advice reveals that you are taking this endeavor seriously. It is an aggressive undertaking. I have no idea what your experience and skill level is, offer the following for your information only, and do not mean to either discourage or condone your trip.

All that being said, here is some stuff off the top of my head, in no particular order...

The majority of the trips I've taken have been on Gary Friesen's late, great Mystere 6 meter "Whisk". The last few years, I've been doing them on my Hobie 18. The Mystere was a truck compared to the Hobie in that it had way more carrying capacity. The Hobie 18 is a dog with a 2 man crew, camping gear, and a 4 day supply of food, beverage, supplies. Still both boats have considerably more bow buoyancy than the Hobie 16.

Your main focus should be keeping the weight down. If you are going solo, you've already shed 100+ lbs. Also, with food and water available on the island, you won't have to carry as much. I'm not sure I would attempt a full blown camping trip on a H16 to the other islands which are primitive. Depending on your signaling gear, you'll want at least enough food and water to ration over as much time as you think you could possibly be stranded at sea or on a remote part of the island if you have an equipment failure.

Weather; Watch it closely. If a front is in the area, or has recently passed through, you run the risk of too much wind or too little. A trip last fall on the H18 after a storm front came though resulted in a 12 hour crossing, an island landing in the dark, and a $700+ towing bill on the way home. Which reminds me: Consider a BoatUS membership.

You should be heavy weather savvy and know the options available on your boat. For example, if you are not familiar with traveling out, and sheeting IN the Hobie 16 mainsail to de-power it, you need more practice in heavy air. I was not familiar with this concept back in the mid ninties when I entered the Milt Ingram race in 30+ knots on a H16, and got a ride home from the CG. These days, I'm certain I would have gotten back on my own.

The H16 is an overpowered boat. If you do not have reef points and a way to reef your mainsail, consider having a sailmaker install them, and come up with a reefing system. You cannot furl your jib, which is a disadvantage. You've got the option of lowering your main and sailing on jib alone. Lowering the main on a H16 at sea would be challenging, especially in the conditions that would warrant it.

Do not attempt the crossing unless you can right the boat yourself. You'll need a water bag, righting pole, or Solo~Right. In very heavy wind and waves, the rules change on righting a Hobie 16. I have more details on that if you need them.

If your standing rigging is more than 3 years old, replace it.

Go over your boat carefully to make sure your equipment is sound.

Decide what might break and bring appropriate tools if reasonable.

Coordinate your trip with the tides, if possible. Pick a date with relatively small variations in the tide levels. Land at a high tide level, ideally a higher tide than what will occur overnight. Depart at a high tide level. Not a requirement, but will make your life easier in not having to move the boat so much.

There are portable roller solutions out there, one being boat fenders on the ends of pipe. However, I have found the best and most compact solution are 2 ft long pieces of 3" black ABS pipe. These can be laid down on the sand and used as skids to slid your hulls over. Have at least four of them, two for each side to relay their positions as you move your boat up the beach. If you have deck ports, they may fit inside your hulls.

Face the fact that you may be beating up your boat. If it's a pristine racing boat, and you want to keep it that way, an island trip isn't a good idea.

At the very least, wear a wetsuit with some sort of spray suit over it to keep the wind off you. Cheap raincoats work. The best option: A quality breathable drysuit worn over fleece.

My own gear list (without the camping gear), not necessarily all inclusive:

- Type III PFD (NOT inflatable).

- Trap Harness

- Life line connected to a jack line that runs across the trampoline allowing me to tack without unclipping

- At least one VHF (I carry 3, one per man on PFDs and a spare on the boat)

- A cell phone

- At least one GPS (I carry 2)

- A personal EPIRB attached to PFD

- A SPOT locator with position reporting subscription.

- Signal light clipped to PFD, that can also be used as a flashlight.

- At least one flashlight in addition to above

- A whistle attached to PFD

- Signal mirror. (A CD works well)

- Flares (Aerial worn on person, handheld on boat)

- An emergency blanket (one of those small silver mylar ones)

- A First Aid Kit, including Bonine or some other form of Anti-vert

- Sunscreen

- A printed way point list with coordinates in case of GPS data loss.

- A knife, attached to PFD

- Cash and ID

- A Nav Chart

- A tide chart

- Water / Food

- Extra zip lock bag

- Write a very detailed float plan. Examples here: www.catsail.com/floatplans

- After your trip, consider documenting it. Examples here: www.catsail.com/cinp

Finally, in regard to having other boats accompany you, this is not as positive a precaution as it sounds. On multi-boat trips to Catalina, I was surprised at how easily the other boats can become out of sight, even in clear weather. And if the choice of going with other boats is safety, think it over. If conditions get really nasty, everyone else may be in just as much trouble as you. And any boat that is perceived to be missing could lead all the other boats to stay in rough conditions to try to find them. The trade off for getting assistance from other boats is that you may be required to provide it yourself. And a beach catamaran makes for a piss-poor rough seas rescue vessel, in my opinon. I'm not dead set against the idea. I'm just pointing out that there downsides as well as benefits.

Sorry I'm so wordy.

Hope this all helps somewhat. Contact me at bill(dot)mattson(at)verizon(dot)net if you want more info, or want to chat about it.

Bill
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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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Based on historical wind data and discussing with some of us going, it's looking like Catalina is the best choice. If anyone would prefer Santa Cruz please post it here sooner than later.

The Two Harbors campsite does fill-up at times and as I found out this past weekend the cost is $21 per person as opposed to per site. I've read before that they will allow camping on your boat, but not next to it and you still have to pay something to somebody.

It's a totally different feel compared to Santa Cruz as it's day trip destination for many. Shops, Rentals, General Store, Restaurant, Burgers, etc.

Warm water and decent snorkeling too

Video from last weekend- XSsailing.com

Personally I would prefer Santa Cruz leaving from Ventura, they have a campground at scorpion,you may be able to sleep on your boat on the beach.It is a shorter distance we could sail directly there with no side trips.Leaving around mid morning to let the breeze come up.I believe trying to cram too much into a first trip is not the way to go.We would do an overnight trip and return sunday.It appears most of the boats that may want to go are in the 18 \19 ft range.Sounds like there is enough people interested in going to be able to carry the boats up past the hightide mark.
Needless to say everything is utterly dependent on the weather

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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I am up for either place. I have to trailer my boat to wherever we start from. Isn't Catalina only about 3 miles further than Santa Cruz island?

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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There are a bunch of "boat in" camp sites between Avalon and Two Harbors that could be ideal. Check out http://www.visitcatalinaisland.com/camping-boating/two-harbors-boating/boat-in-camping
I just checked the reservation website and most of the sites are still available for that weekend.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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More information on the "boat in" sites....

http://campingcatalinaisland.com/

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Anyone been to Parson's Landing or anywhere other than Avalon and Two Harbors?

http://catalinaislandexplorer.com/parsons-landing-campground/

I really hope t hi is gonna happen for Catalina but if this falls threw my crew and will be heading out to Santa Cruz island that weekend if anybody is interested. Weather permitting of course.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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I have camped at Parsons landing before. It is a small campground. At least one time I was there I recall a bit of a shore break. Not too big for people to stand in but it made landing and launching a dingy with a motor pretty difficult and exciting. It was a nice spot. It was a lot of years ago so I don't really remember all the specifics. At the time I worked at Howlands Landing (a few miles closer to Two Harbors).

The boat in campsites between Avalon and Two Harbors sound perfect because our group would have the spot to ourselves. And we wouldn't need to hike the gear 1/4 mile into the camp sites like is required at Scorpion. I have never camped at Scorpion but I have anchored there several time and went ashore to explore. Its a cool coastline but being able to camp right on the beach (like you can in the boat up sites on Catalina) has my vote.

Carl and myself are committed to making this happen, weather permitting of course. Our plan so far is to use Carls Nacra 5.8 and use lightweight backpacking gear to keep our load light.



Edited by genehacker on Oct 26, 2014 - 07:06 AM.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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My vote is for camping on the beach/boat.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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It looks like to camp at Pearson's landing you need to check in at Two harbors.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Goat harbor looks like it has a good beach for catamarans. When searching for info I stumbled along this:
http://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=18822

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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I'm prepared to go full rustic if need be. I'll just load the backpack like any weekend trip in the Sierras. The photo at Goat Harbor may be from a Bill Mattson trip. I'll email him for camping suggestions. Any landing East of Two Harbors would give us a better angle to the wind.

There are limitations to the number of people these sites can hold and reservations are required so it would be good to get a plan together and secure a head count soon so we can get the best site for our group size (whatever it ends up being).

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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seems like there's 4 boats (with crew of 8?) committed...is everyone fine with leaving Friday from Long Beach? Maybe move to e-mail to sort out the details would not be a bad thing..anyone want to take the lead?

the campsites fit 8 but I noticed that 5 out of 8 sites at Parsons Landing were already reserved for the dates 11/21 - 11/23.....even the boat-in camp site availability looks like it may shrink as Nov 21/23 approaches...

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1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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Email or on this public forum...either is fine with me.

My email is riverlakere at gmail dot com. I will have to confirm with Carl on leaving Friday but I should be able to make that happen on my end.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Looking at the "boat in site" availability there are already limited options with a group of 8. As of today...this what is available:

Gibraltar: Sounds like it can be exposed to swells in the fall...might be less than ideal.

Italian gardens: cobble stone beach - no sand. Looks like plenty of space.

Rippers cove site A: set up for 8 people, has the best beach of the three camps in rippers cover. Sounds like its well protected.

I think Rippers Site A is the best choice for a group of our size.

I am down with going with the other options too (Scorpion on Santa Cruz, Two harbors, or Pearsons)...but Rippers Site A has my vote.

Whatever route we go, it looks like the full payment is required for making a reservation. It would be $32 per person for 2 nights so reserving a site for 8 would take an initial payment of $256.00...that is a pretty big chunk for someone to pay out without collecting from everyone else first.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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I have Paypal, maybe that would work.
I prefer Parsons Landing, it has sanitary facilities and access to trails with hikes. With the boat in camp sites I am not sure whether we may be stuck on the beach site we land.

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Marek
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1981 Prindle 16
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I am fine with a Friday departure.Having a camping spot with a chemical toilet would be good just so we don't have to pack sh t out .Looks like we need to get a headcount and get this booked.I am fine with any departure point, and destination will the Ventura guys be cool with long beach\San Pedro? either way it is a 3 hour drive for us
Email addy....crazyonbikes@yahoo.com
Opps.. a sandy beach may be a good thing as landing on a cobblestone beach with little swell may be interesting



Edited by onekiwi on Oct 27, 2014 - 09:31 AM.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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Looking at Goggle earth there are 2 obvious trails heading inland from Rippers cove one ties into the the dirt road system, so hiking would definitely be an option from Rippers cove.

Parsons has the advantage of toilets, supplied water jugs, and firewood...but its less than ideal to have to go to Two harbors to check in and pick up the locker key. After picking that up it could be a pain to beat up to Parsons landing. It might be worth a call to see if there is anyway to camp at Parsons without having to check in Two harbors.

Even without the logistical complications of having to two harbors in route to parsons, Rippers would likely be an easier destination in prevailing winds.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Launching Saturday and returning either Sunday or Monday might be better. Traffic getting to the launch would likely be way easier on Sat morning than Friday. I think it would be ideal to be pushing off at 10.30 or so and that would put is in the middle or morning rush hour getting there....for anyone that lives more than a few miles away this would likely be the case.

I have launched at Cabrillo Beach (which is the shortest distance to either parsons/rippers). I left my vehicle for a few days with no issues. There was cop in the parking lot when we got there (looked like he was taking a nap) and there was an attendant at the gate so it seemed safer than some other long term parking lots I have used. There is launch ramp with a long finger dock. This is where I would prefer to leave from.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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My vote is for leaving Sat and coming back Mon.

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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I look forward to reading about the trip. Unfortunately, I'm too far away and too new to the sport to go on this trip this time, but I'm hoping that I can trailer down south and join in on a future trip.

Hope you have a great sail!

Bob

I got a reply back from the folks in Two harbors. It sounds like we could go strait to Parsons Landing and not check in at Two Harbors, but we would not have access to water/firewood if we did that.

So of these two sites it comes down to:
Parsons has toilets.
Rippers is likely an easier destination in prevailing wind but we have to pack out our poop.

I have done a ton of river trips where this is required...its not as bad as it sounds with wag-bags and a small bucket (or plastic container with a screw on lid).

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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BTW, Bill Mattson's website has a few more recollections from his Channel Island trips that you can look up :

2009 trip to Pelican Bay on Santa Cruz:

http://www.catsail.com/cinp/trip0609/sci0609.html

2003 trip to Santa Cruz and Santa Rosa:

http://www.catsail.com/cinp/trip3-2/trip3-2.htm

2003 Santa Cruz Island North Shore:

http://www.catsail.com/cinp/trip2-3/index.htm

2001 Santa Cruz Prisoners Harbor & Smugglers Cove:

http://www.catsail.com/cinp/trip1-3/feature1.htm

2001 Santa Cruz Scorpions Anchorage:

http://www.catsail.com/cinp/trip1-1and1-2/feature1.htm

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Marek
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1981 Prindle 16
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Sounds like an awesome trip. I used to work summers on Catalina when I was a kid and would see the occasion beach cat come over - always looked fun. Sailed there lots when I had a Tartan 30 in Oceanside as well. Anyway, couple things I'd consider...

Italian Gardens has no trail access if you want to hike. Nice diving though. Typically really, really calm. I've seen small Boston Whalers anchor there overnight with a tiny Danforth and just run a line to shore. Great diving at Goat as well (used to be anyway). Only been to Parsons once but found it quite pleasant.

Depending on wind direction, you can get becalmed pretty far off shore - I'd bring good side paddles. I think this is more of an issue between Long Point and the East end, but something to consider.

Probably obvious, but November is getting to "Santa Ana" season for winds. We were in Avalon once, when a warning went out. Got out of Avalon just before they hit - maybe 40 knots out of seemingly nowhere. Was quite terrifying actually.

Looking forward to the pictures & write-up...

Chris

Santa Ana winds are a concern. I was caught out once on a Ericson 35 and it was very scary. The weather report the night before was all good and by 9.30am were getting blasted. We had a hank on genoa that was a huge chore to bring in. When we limped into the harbor we shared looks with several other crews that likely got the same surprise we did.

There is a new warning website that went public this year. Here is the link: http://psgeodata.fs.fed.us/sawti/

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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how do folks deal with power needs on multi day camping trips?

...there's a lot of equipment out there but most of it is not submersible. So one option is to pack regular camping solar panel and battery charger (e.g. GoalZero) into a submersible bag or find a more robust solution that can handle salt water (at least to some degree). Also, there may be a need for DC power besides the usual low AMP USB charging required for Iphones GoPro etc. e.g my VHF has an 18V input charge station. There's battery charge stations but most of them are far from submersible and most not even waterproof...

Anyone had more luck with one type over another in the beach cat/camping environment?

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Marek
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1981 Prindle 16
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another question re. anchors, folks have a style or a particular one they prefer for anchoring beach cats?

I found a 3.3lbs 4-fluke folding one from Kwiktek that's supposed to hold in mud, sand, gravel and rock and is coated to protect finishes. A 25 ft. long marine-grade rope, with an in-line buoy, is spliced to the anchor and a heavy-duty stainless steel snap hook.

I am thinking of ordering that or another similar fluke anchor (only 1.75lbs) for this trip...

The one's I carry on my inflatables are quite heavy and cast iron so may damage something or hurt someone if thrown around...

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Marek
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1981 Prindle 16
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Marek,
I personally just take extra batteries for the electronics I use. I sepcifically chose my VHF radio because it has a battery tray that holds AA batteries (same as my GPS). I usually bring 4 cell phone batteries. And I bring an extra battery or two for my cameras. For a three day adventure...this has always worked out pretty well.

As far as an anchor goes...we will likely bring the lightest/smallest danforth anchor that I have. I plan on strapping it down tight so it cannot get thrown around.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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OK...everyone that is in...what camp site should we reserve?

I talked to Carl this morning...we want to make reservations before our options start dwindling.

Carl is leaning towards Parsons, either way is fine with me. Unless there are any objections to Parsons...lets do this and get it tied up.



Edited by genehacker on Oct 28, 2014 - 08:36 AM.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
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I am good with either place. Just one question. How far from the beach to the campground?

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Duane
1981 P18
Simi Valley Ca.
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Parsons sounds good, we could still pick up the key later correct? Boat-in Rippers is fine with me too....

can send $$$ via Paypal to whoever makes the reservation...

I am going with spfx. Let's wait and see what he and the other boat under Dartman have to say re. the camping and launch/landing/timing details...not sure how often he checks in with this site...

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Marek
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1981 Prindle 16
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Duane, Both rippers and Parsons are beach camp sites...you can camp on the sand and it should be no issue to actually sleep on the boats.

Marek, I think the best thing would to reserve multiple sites. The price is per person not per site. Two people can reserve one site and another crew can reserve another ajoining site. That would give us more room on the beach for our boats without having to take over another groups space. It also gives us options if another crew joins on and we have more than 8 people.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Gene, ok, that makes sense.
We'd still need to agree on departure day/time/ramp or we could just agree on some general timing on either Friday or Saturday. There will probably be delays with travel, packing etc. and then the question may be whether we want to try stick together while crossing. which may not even be possible. So it may be more realistic to have an ideal schedule that everyone trys to adhere so that barring hiccups one can expect to see each other at about the same time at the landing site/camp ground...that way each boat/crew can operate somewhat independently and we could still remain in touch for major problems that require help via cell or VHF.

Just my thoughts, I really have no preference and am relying on the more experienced sailors to decide on this...

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Marek
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1981 Prindle 16
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This was sent out as email today:

Hi all,

There’s a lot to consider for this trip and pros and cons to everything.

• Based on wind consistency alone Catalina is the better choice
• Camping location- I’d consider a sand landing and beaching above anything else. Rippers looks sketchy from photos I’ve seen and Campsite A where all the sand is will be underwater with the expected 6.2ft high tide the 22nd and 23rd. Beaching on rocks to avoid this would suck. If Parson’s gives us better options for high tide, I’m all for it.
• A 10:30 start sounds perfect as winds typically won’t be up till then
• I think everyone is for a two night three day trip, correct?
• What day do we leave and return- Battling Friday morning traffic is an impossibility, but driving in Thursday night would avoid traffic and may be a more restful option. A return Sunday would avoid the late afternoon traffic of Monday.

Please add final thoughts on the above if you’d like something different. Did I miss anything?

After the above is settled we can work on other details.

Duane- I can check out your boat this Saturday at Ventura Marina. Maybe take me out for a spin.
Marek- I'll see you Sunday to look at yours and go over possible motor mounts, etc.


I’m really looking forward to this trip. It’s something I’ve been wanting to do for a number of years.

Thanks,

Lance

Campsites booked for sat\sun at Parsons landing.I think leaving together may be a good thing,after that we will see.We decided to use the hobie18 that I have, wings should make a dryer trip.We are going to leave Lake Isabella early Sat morning, set up should not take more than an hour and then do this thing yahooo.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
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Yes leave together and then see what happens sound ok. I don't have experience sailing in groups so what's the standard practice, if any. What about fog or heavy marine layer? Do we stay in line of sight? This came in from Bill Mattson today.

Sun sets at 4:45 that weekend. Bring a light and playing cards.

As for the crossing, delays or light wind could have folks in the dark. Everyone should involved should be comfortable sailing at night, have GPS navigation (not be dependent on line of sight), and have a good waterproof light for working as well as lighting up sails if boats are approaching. Headlamps work especially well as your hands are free to handle the sheets/tiller. Be very familiar with the anchorage from aerial photos, etc. If you are in a night landing situation, first boat there sets lights for the other sailors, and keep your gear on to enter the water to help the others land. Everyone should know that the first guy will set a light (and maybe wave it) at a good landing spot. On the return, the shore will be a sea of lights. Again, GPS nav is a must.

Good chance you won't deal with darkness on the water, but be ready for it.

Bringing a light and playing cards sounds like a good idea...a bit of whiskey sounds even better.

I have a sea kayaking deck compass that is actually illuminated that has bungee cords built in. Its made to strap to the front of a sea kayak but works really nice on a catamaran as well. It was like $40.00.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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...I agree it's best to try stay together to the extent possible...we'll have VHF so communication should be possible.

technically we shouldn't be sailing/trolling in the dark without the red and green navigation lights Also, required is a mast light. Likelihood of running into traffic in a remote location such as Parsons Landing is extremely low but 4 boats w/o lights could be considered hazardous by the coast guard even with head lights and lamps on the boat b/c they want vessels to be identifiable from a distance. Especially, if we get caught without winds on sea which I understand happens quite a bit on the crossing to Catalina this may become more of an issue. I picked up a set of portable bow and stern lights a while back for my dinghy. I will probably take those along. I don't have a mast light though but may look into that too.
They come with various mounts/suction cups etc. for $20-$40.

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Marek
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I don't think navigation lights are required for sailboats the length of ours (a white flashlight or lantern is required). I think the rules change if we are under power...but if we are under power we will likely not be caught out after dark.
But better to be safe than sorry. I have small LED clip on navigation lights that I use for back up on my monohull. They were really cheap and work well. I think they were under $15 on ebay/amazon. I will bring those.

Here is the ones I have:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clip-on-boat-light-navigation-LED-marine-battery-powered-sail-canoe-kayak-dingy-/331340009321

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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genehacker

I don't think navigation lights are required for sailboats the length of ours (a white flashlight or lantern is required). I think the rules change if we are under power...but if we are under power we will likely not be caught out after dark.
But better to be safe than sorry. I have small LED clip on navigation lights that I use for back up on my monohull. They were really cheap and work well. I think they were under $15 on ebay/amazon. I will bring those.

Here is the ones I have:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clip-on-boat-light-navigation-LED-marine-battery-powered-sail-canoe-kayak-dingy-/331340009321

Navigation lights are required for each and every boat on the water after sunset

http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/content/general/4_2_b.php

Have fun...



Edited by JohnES on Oct 30, 2014 - 02:49 PM.

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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Here is the actual rule link from the coast guard:

http://www.navcen.uscg.go…e=navRulesContent#rule25



Edited by ramstadt on Oct 30, 2014 - 01:13 PM.

Thanks,

Just a flashlight but we'll have red and green too

ramstadt

Here is the actual rule link from the coast guard:

http://www.navcen.uscg.go…e=navRulesContent#rule25Edited by ramstadt on Oct 30, 2014 - 01:13 PM.

Yep...only a Flashlight is required.

Here is the applicable section:

(d) (i) A sailing vessel of less than 7 meter in length shall, if practicable, exhibit the lights prescribed in Rule 25(a) or (b), but if she does not, she shall exhibit an all around white light or have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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I certainly hope that you don't end up out their after dark. I crewed on a 35' boat back in the 80's that did the Marina Del Rey to San Diego race. We spent the night drifting and wishing we had wind.

On the way home, we motored all the way to Catalina Island and spent the night in Avalon.

according to the rule white lights are ok when regular nav lights are impractical but it's not clear how "impractical" it is for beach cats. From a distance white lights could also be mistaken to be a light source on land and if you do end up at sea in the dark, a vessel in line of sight can tell where you are heading with a nav light but not with a white light...

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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I don't think that anyone will argue that a flashlight is better than having navigation lights, but if you are on a sailboat under 7 meters they are not required.

I look at coast guard requirements as minimums. Most sailors I know generally carry equipment that exceed the basic requirements. I personally like redundancy when practical. On this trip we will have navigation light on our boat, at least one LED lantern, and several flashlights.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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for anyone interested the red/green portable come with all kinds of mounts like these:

http://www.wholesalemarine.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=portable+nav+lights

BTW, I am looking for a mast (strap)mounted wind/knotmeter + compass to have the hands free from Iphone, GPS for some of the time while doing a trip like this...any recommendations? Hopefully not too pricy..

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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Just a heads up for anyone else that is interested in this trip...most of the planning has moved to direct emails. If you are interested in joining on email any one of the guys that have committed to going and we can get you up to speed.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Soo...did everyone make it back okay? The weather at San Pedro has been bliss over the last week.

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Cole
DTLA
'81 H16 Project to Catalina
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the plan is to meet Saturday Nov. 22 morning at San Pedro launch ramp for a 10:30am launch and beach at Parsons Landing campground. Sunday would be a sail to Two Harbors, Monday return to San Pedro. So far 4 boats & 8 crew are committed.
If someone still wants to join the trip, look up visitcatalinaisland.com for camping reservations at Parsons. There should still be room for Sat & Sun nights.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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I think the campsites are good for up to 8 people each and we have have two sites so if someone wanted to join, I think there is room.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Back from Catalina. Light wind seemed to be the theme of the weekend. We had a small motor on our Hobie 18 which worked out really nice. When we got close to the island there were common dolphins in every direction, more than we could count. We got in about a bit before sunset which was critical as most of the beach was protected by rocks. We circled around outside a couple times before committing to landing. The beach had a pretty good surge. We came in pretty hot, jumped in a ran the boat up the beach. Other beach campers, helped us pull the boat up above the high tide mark. Two of the other three boats turned back before the shipping lane, Marek and Lance forged on with very light conditions. After a couple hours of sleep we got the call that they were close so we climbed out of our sleeping bags, but on our wet gear and helped bring them in. There was no wind so they paddled in, Carl and I waded out to grab them. There were some exciting moments but all in all both landings went smooth.

The camping on the beach was nice and the scenery was spectacular. Marek and I went for a nice hike on Sunday and saw some really nice views and had a few encounters with Buffalo. One was blocking the road we wanted to go down and made it clear we were not getting by. We also saw a Island fox which is a treat. Both nights we had nice campfires with small bundles of wood provided with the campsite.

Monday morning we pushed the boats off with very light wind. We towed the P19 out clear of the land then headed a few miles over to Two harbors to get more gas for our trusty motor. From there the wind was pretty much on our bow and very light so we motored most of the way. Just past the shipping channel we saw a tall column of mist, followed for several others then we saw the massive body of a Humpback whale surface. When we got within a 1/2 mile or so of the harbor entrance the wind picked up and we sailed into the Port of LA. The wind didn't hold so we pulled up to the dock on motor power.

All in all it was a really nice trip. The light wind was disappointing but the warm temperatures and warm water was a treat...especially for November. I look forward to the next trip.









Edited by genehacker on Nov 25, 2014 - 07:40 AM.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Geno,

Thanks for the report and glad you got the trip done and got home safely. Light winds a bummer but there is always next time!

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Memphis, TN

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Very cool. It makes me wonder what sort of overnight trip that I can do up here in the SF/Santa Cruz area.

genehacker

Back from Catalina. Light wind seemed to be the theme of the weekend....

Sounds like you had a great trip! I've been following the plans with Lance via email. Sorry I could not join you guys, but I'm on a work project that won't let me get a away until the end of the year.

I hope to do Santa Cruz with my son this summer on the H18. Refitting the boat with new sails and possibly a motor. On our last trip we also flirted with some weather fronts and ended up paddling mid channel with no wind, landing at Tinkers Cove in the dark.

Glad you all got back safe. Post more pics if you got 'em!

Bill Mattson
Hobie 18 #477 "Cheap Thrill"

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Bill Mattson
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Hey Bill, good to see you on here, glad to hear you are still getting out on the Hobie 18.

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Damon Linkous
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The trip was a fun first island cat adventure for me. Unfortunately for us the engine that we had planned to mount on my Prindle 19 flunked and we had to leave it at home so when crunch time came that 2 other boats made the decision to turn around Lance and myself quickly went over the pros and cons and decided that we were pretty committed to this trip.
The wind completely died on us about 5 miles out from the island early in the evening and we kept drifting towards Catalina at about 1kn in the dark. After establishing communication with the Hobie 18 crew planning the landing was more straightforward. At about 1.5 mi out from Parsons they began flashing a light to guide us to a safe landing area and we began paddling in to speed up our arrival. Landing in some surf was not too bad since we had 2 helpers on land to help pull the boat up on the beach.
Compared to the landing and lackluster first sailing leg the rest of the trip became a breeze. There was some hiking and snorkeling we did and Gene and I saw plenty of bison that wander the island and some other critters.
I tried inserting some pics, for some reason that doesn't quite seem to work. The pics I took can be looked up in my album though. I will try later to get a few into this post again.



Edited by marekli on Nov 27, 2014 - 08:41 AM.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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I also put up a few pics on the Prindle FB page...there's a few more there, that I had problems inserting in the correct orientation here on beachcats that some may be interested checking out. If you are not a member...anyone can join, even non Prindle owners, it's a fun and friendly group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/173120656090532/

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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spfx and myself plan to do another trip to Santa Cruz island April 23-25, launching out of Ventura Harbor. We will be staying at the Scorpion campground that is located just by the landing area at Scorpion landing. The reservations for the nights of Sat 23 and Sun 24 include a few extra spots, so if there are any other sailors interested joining get in touch with me or spfx via PM. There's a few sailors other sailors interested so hopefully we can get a good group of cats.

For more info on Channel island sailing, trip planning etc. look up this or other Catalina island threads (just search Catalina in forums) or look up Bill Mattson's blog at catsailor.com.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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spfx and myself plan to do another trip to Santa Cruz island April 23-25, launching out of Ventura Harbor. We will be staying at the Scorpion campground that is located just by the landing area at Scorpion landing. The reservations for the nights of Sat 23 and Sun 24 include a few extra spots, so if there are any other sailors interested joining get in touch with me or spfx via PM. There's a few sailors other sailors interested so hopefully we can get a good group of cats.

For more info on Channel island sailing, trip planning etc. look up this or other Catalina island threads (just search Catalina in forums) or look up Bill Mattson's blog at catsailor.com.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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Holy hell I just found this thread again after five years! In the meantime here' what ended up happening with me:

2015: I sailed around Mission Bay San Diego with a GF and slipped on the boat overnight while at anchor. She was a trooper for doing that but wasn't really my type in the end. 

2016: Sailed Dana Point to Seal Rock in San Clemente to just get time on the water. Sailed a few times out of Cabrillo Beach, mostly just inside the breakwater, and really ripped, the way Mr Alter himself designed this boat to do.

2017: Realized over the summer that I hadn't been sailing in over 6 months and that this trip might not ever happen, so in October 2017:

-I outfitted the boat with a Minn Kota trolling motor, a 100AH marine battery from Autozone and a 100W solar panel and charger from amazon. I do not recommend doing this.
-Reserved a site at Parsons Landing having never seen this thread, or the campsite before.

-packed water, camping burner, homemade chili, bacon and four eggs, tent, sleeping bag, pillow, lanterns, firewood, snorkel gear, GoPro, backup phone, compass, waterproof MP3 player, VHF vest radio, Map with printouts from google Earth showing what the island would look like when I approached it with nothing but land mass formations to see where the beach was, a Mavic Pro (drone), sunscreen, and some rum to celebrate.

I arrived at sunrise on the ramp and began rigging the boat, left the dock and my car and trailer at about 9am. There was NO wind. Glass. So I had to burn up juice motoring to the harbor entrance. At this time it was about 10am and the entrance has a lighthouse watching over it so I decided to use the dead time to but out the drone and get some footage of the boat and the lighthouse, trying to make a production out of the thing. Spent about 20 minutes doing that, but (as you all have already guessed) the footage looked like shit because you can't steer a beach cat and fly a drone at the same time, even if you hold the rudder crossbar with your foot and the boat is under power.

Put everything away and made my way W along the breakwater (climbing the anticipated angle into the wind to try and make the crossing with as little tacks as possible). The wind got better and better as 12pm turned into 2pm, and the water had a light chop. The haze in the channel was enough that I could not see the island at all, which added some fun to the equation because I really did use the compass and bearing angle I had figured out beforehand. I think it was like, 54 deg SW or something like that. As I saw the island take shape, I began getting concerned that I was still trying to climb so high into the wind and still wasn't going to hit Parsons in one shot--and it was approaching 5pm. By 6pm, I knew I had to tack back, and as you all know, the wind will start dying by sundown. It was already lightening up. And while I had been trying to keep the solar panel charging that battery back up, I knew it wasnt quick enough, so motor power was now an issue.

I got within about 300-400 yds from the shore and was basically about that many yards south of my landing point--all rocky shoreline in between. I knew if I got too close the wind will also die in the shadow, so I cut back out again, with the sun now pink, and just hitting the horizon. I could see basically two small lanterns in the growing shadows of the island. That had to be Parsons. So I cut back north, climbed until I thought I had it, and made my final turn toward the beach. I honestly could not tell until I got again within that 300 yds or so, that it was in fact the spot. By then it was like after 7pm, and I was standing on the trampoline with the electric motor tiller in one hand and a flashlight in the other--rudders were up, sails were slack. And then the kelp came. I could just see it in time to turn around it, knowing that if my pussy little troll prop got into it I'd be stuck. 100 yds away I saw rocks submerged and had to dodge that too. As I approached the "sand" I could see what you guys confirmed as well; my quaint, quiet little leeward-side landing on Catalina was now a 2-3 foot vertical surge up and down the beach--which equated to 30 or 40 feet horizontally, rushing water back and forth, over 1-inch pebbles, not sand. They made a horrendous racket when I beached, and while immediately conjuring images of cracking fiberglass (I had never heard my boat make that noise before), I jumped and set to trying to pull the boat up the beach, fully loaded. Not happening. I realized immediately that I had to unload the entire thing for me to make it up the slope to the flat area. so there I was, getting kicked around in the surf while trying to unload the boat, two handfuls of gear at a time, running up and down the slope in the lulls, and simply holding the boat in place during the sets. It took me almost an hour. It was now dark, and approaching 9pm. 

At this time I finally saw that I was at the southerlymost area of the beach and my campsite (as directed by the aloof mountain biker group that had watched the whole thing from a nearby site) was still another 100 yards away to the north. So the boat and sails got left on the crown of the slope (I had checked the tide already, I was good until the following afternoon) and did the whole stumbling in the dark with a headlamp to the site, back and forth, THEN made a fire, THEN set the tent, THEN cooked the chili, THEN took a bunch of excedrin PM and tried to sleep. It was 1130pm. 

I had originally planned for three days there, but after what I thought was a 5-7 hour voyage that took 10, I didn't want to chance being caught in the channel with a lull. Heading into the harbor in the dark was not my idea of a grand return, and I was already more wired with stress than enjoyment, so I woke up automatically at like 5:30am with the dawn  (sleep was terrible), and packed up. No coffee needed. Made bacon and eggs while jogging back and forth with gear. Was in the water by 7:30, and felt really good. The Island looked gorgeous at the start of the day! Dolphins and whatnot, although not very close. I was under motor power, knowing I didn't have long, but my gamble went like this: "if I lose power, then I should do so as far out into the channel as possible, to get the wind, away from the island." So I did just that, and sure enough by 9am I was dead in the water. No wind. The island still felt like it was poking me in the back, it was so close. Frustration set in early, and then left quickly as I knew the wind had to come eventually. This was October, so Santa Anas might have caught me dead in the water all day (as the onshore collides with the offshore and stagnates out there sometimes), but the winds slowly showed up. VERY SLOWLY. So I was sitting there fooling around with the drone at about 1130 or 1200...when an effing Sunfish showed up. And not just swam by, but like, spiraled out of the deep below me, circled the boat twice, and then left. Being a sunfish, this took him ten minutes to accomplish. I got footage of it, and that was my close encounter with channel sea life for the whole trip.

By 12:30 or so, the slightest ripples showed up on the water, and I was still sitting just offshore from Parsons. I knew I needed to make up for lost time in the latter half of the day, so I decided to basically sail directly downwind, towards Two Harbors, before making a broad reach straight to the Cabrillo harbor entrance. Haze was the same as the day before so I used my phone's google map and GPS to kind of ballpark when to turn. I had a serious debate in my head though, about just turning in to Two Harbors and asking if I could stop and stay over, get a beer, a burger and just reset from the whole thing. I was riddled with stress--not fear--the need to GET GOING. The need to be moving toward my destination. Casual was nowhere in my vocabulary at this point. 

In the end I turned toward home and started making good time. I was a fully loaded Hobie 16 though, and "good time" was made relevant by a H18 with basically nothing on it but two people (looked like a father and son) trapped out and hauling ass. I thought about hailing them but didn't have any real reason to, so they waved and were gone. I followed their track and eventually crossed the shipping lanes (missed a tanker by about 10 minutes, I guessed). I noticed midway that I was waging an internal battle; on how hard I wanted to push the boat and how much of a hurry I was in. It was an angled, following sea--and I was fully loaded with gear. The leeward hull was intermittently knifing below the surface and I sat back on the corner as far as I could. Doing this trip solo was foolish in general, I knew, but trapping out alone would have been idiotic. So I pushed it hard and had close calls, backed off and then pushed it hard again. I rode a couple waves, like really rode them for about 100 feet or more, and then the boat would settle off of the wave and continue. 

Made it into the harbor by 5pm, only to be greeted by a cruise liner with escort tugs coming out. So I actually had to sit there in both the wind show and the actual shadow of this beast. By 5pm the wind in Cabrillo is whipping, but directly head on to my route back to the ramp. So like so many times I had sailed there for fun, I tacked and tacked and tacked up the narrow (like maybe 300 yds wide I think? ) corridor until I was able to cut north toward the ramp, and again, pulled up to the dock at sundown, under the last smidges of power the solar panels had replenished all day long, at about 7:15pm. Fucking beat, and thankful I made it out. Never doing that again. 

Cole

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Cole
DTLA
'81 H16 Project to Catalina
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Nice write up Cole.

When you camped on the Hobie in Mission bay...where did you stay? Did law enforcement give you a hard time.
I have stayed in my monohull a few times and I have always seen harbor patrol cruising around just before sunset taking down CF #s. I called and asked about staying on my H18 and they said that it was not allowed because there is not head/holding tank.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Had a trip planned on the P19 to Santa Cruz Island this summer around the solstice, but I personally expect this lock down to potentially go into August. On the upside, in preparation I had made a bunch of nice upgrades to the boat, including a cargo trampoline, but mostly just little stuff to make things work better.

After buckling the bow on my first P19 and removing the decks for the repair and noticing the lightweight construction, I am thinking the H18 was a better boat for this stuff, especially considering the rocky north shore of Santa Cruz. As it is, I am working on an idea involving cradles with teflon skids to move the boat on the beach without damaging it. I'm working on a design of foam core fiberglass cradles (formed around the outside of a 5 gal bucket), that will bolt on top of sections of 3" ABS pipes, with rubber pads between so they can flex without cracking. They will disassemble and fit in the deck ports. It could be one of those designs that work great in my head, but go to crap when trialed. Stay tuned on that one. The other idea is to take the repaired P19 and glass in some kevlar layers on the keels. I'm thinking that might get pricey.

Great write up, Cole. I've considered solo trips to Scorpion at Santa Cruz where I would probably find help to get the boat up the beach, or perhaps anchor the boat and swim in. But then I'll be out on the boat by myself on a heavy day and start imagining all the gear and complications and the solo camping trip idea goes away. You really need a 2nd pair of hands for landing and unloading the boat as your experience demonstrates.

I have to say though that whenever we made a successful landing, any anxieties about the return trip never surfaced until the morning of the return trip. I do remember waking up at 2am to high winds blasting through the canyon where we were at, watching trees bending sideways, and thinking "We are never getting out of here in the morning." Then waking up later to a calm morning with a gentle breeze.

Over the 10 years or so I've done those trips, I've had a few of those dicey moments of equipment breakdowns, getting becalmed with no motor or one that doesn't work, etc. My mantra became "I don't know how I am getting out of this, but I most likely will because I always do."

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Bill Mattson
Prindle 19 "Gelli Bean"
Prindle 19 "Cat's Pajamas"
Nacra 5.2 (Will sail her a bit and let her name herself)
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Great story, coleinthetube, very enjoyable to read, and thanks for sharing - although definitely more "adventure" than I personally would want to experience. The idea of running out of wind just short of the island with night falling, and spending the night drifting out to sea in the dark, or drifting onto the rocks on a desolate part of the island, brings the shudders.

Reminds me of the quote from western writer Louis L'Amour: "Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.”

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1998 P18.2
Sailing out of SHBCC, NJ
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That is a great quote. I am going to borrow that.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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The darkness adds a new element. On "the trip where everything went wrong" my son and I had the H18, with no motor, got completely becalmed mid channel for hours until light winds returned, and ultimately spent 12 hours the water getting to Santa Cruz Island. The GPS took us to the anchorage in complete darkness, where there was a 200 yard wide beach among cliffs. Basically, I had previously just stuck a point on a map for the GPS to basically just get us there, where we could visually assess where to land (something impossible to do at that point). I had been at the anchorage before. Still, I could not avoid having doubts on the accuracy of the GPS point, hearing the swells thundering on the nearby cliffs in the darkness, wearing headlamps that probably were not illuminating much more than 5 ft off the bows. We slowly approached, started feeling the small surge, and the rocky beach appeared.

Two days later, on the return trip, we again found ourselves in light air, and ended up becalmed 12 miles off the coast of Ventura in the dark. I hailed the CG on the VHF, who relayed our position to Vessel Assist. Not having a Boat US membership at the time, I knew this would be expensive. The quote was $250 an hour, with an hour to get to us and a two hour tow back. The captain told me he would gradually increase his speed and I should signal when I started feeling it was right. Later he said the 11 knot tow was probably his fastest, but he knew it was on my dime. $700 later, we were at the dock.

Lessons learned: Got a Boat US Membership and a nice spot light.



Edited by mattson on Apr 07, 2020 - 11:09 AM.

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Bill Mattson
Prindle 19 "Gelli Bean"
Prindle 19 "Cat's Pajamas"
Nacra 5.2 (Will sail her a bit and let her name herself)
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Or a small outboard!

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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Gene--I was anchored in Mariner's Bay, that was the place they directed us to. Basically they told us if we wanted to do this at all, that was the only place we were allowed. The ramp was the big one, at the south end of the whole Mission Bay Area, (can't remember the launch name), but they have a couple of shops right there and a large overflow parking area. The rule in 2014 was overnight parking free for 72 hours. Which I think is totally awesome for those of us who just want an adventure on a low budget. We ended up ordering pizza by cell phone on the sand the next day, and then loaded up and left late afternoon.

Bill--I appreciate your help on this, you probably don't remember it but I wrote you back in 2013 asking about this and it took me four years to muster. Had a float plan filed (as much as they cared to record it), and the vest radio ready to go, but I really really didn't want to have to use it. I still wonder what I must have looked like plodding along at 8kts when that Hobie 18 with the father and son flew by me out of Avalon, not enough to call out to them though. It was my mess, I had to see it through lol. And as far as the return voyage, I think I was just weighing my risks and saying if anything happened on the return, I'd be stuck out there for awhile, and that would put me in late on Saturday night, rather than Sunday night before work the next day. I was right about myself too; when I got back I shared a couple drinks with friends and regaled them with my tale, but I was wired all the way until about 1am or so. It felt nice telling everyone about it, like unloading it all before bed.

Catfan--def a great quote. 90% of the friends I told about this do not sail, and as self deprecating as I remained throughout the story, they kept saying "But DUDE you did it!" I just kept thinking man, what would they have done in that beach surge in the dark, having just clamored uptake wind so far all day long only to be greeted with that whole other episode of unforgiving obstacles, with no one coming to help? I was gassed; my back was completely depleted of energy to lift the boat up the sand. Seeing the rocks on the way in, and hearing them beat up the hulls I felt exactly like that quote; it was literally the last place I wanted to be.

All in all, probably the riskiest thing I've done by myself. Wont do it again, but I'm glad I tried, and made it.

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Cole
DTLA
'81 H16 Project to Catalina
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coleinthetube

All in all, probably the riskiest thing I've done by myself. Wont do it again, but I'm glad I tried, and made it.

Yep. You've really got the stones to attempt that trip solo on an H16 and earned the story tellin'. It is a great write up, and if I kinda get being over there all alone and thinking you'd want to get back as soon as you could just to know you pulled it off.

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Bill Mattson
Prindle 19 "Gelli Bean"
Prindle 19 "Cat's Pajamas"
Nacra 5.2 (Will sail her a bit and let her name herself)
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I kinda get being over there all alone and thinking you'd want to get back as soon as you could just to know you pulled it off.

Yeah I had big dreams, of hiking around the island a little, snorkeling with gopro, finishing the drone footage and creating a real video out of it. But that quickly shifted into, "dont do anything else youre going to regret" lol

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Cole
DTLA
'81 H16 Project to Catalina
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