Well, in the Shifting Sands of Egypt department, it appears that I may be moving my daughter into an out-of-state dorm the weekend of next year's Tri-Point race. So I am wondering who is up for the bigger Anacapa race in July, hmmmm? It is called the Milt Ingram, and is a bit longer than the Tri-Point at 42 NM, and has an upwind start to Platform Grace. It and goes around Anacapa counter-clockwise, and final run is a beam reach back to Ventura harbor. It is exactly what we love about the Tri-Point, but 8 NM longer. It is usually the second Satruday in July. I'll post details when PBYC posts their calendar in Feb. I just wanted to get you thinking about this. It is run by the same great club that puts on the Tri-Point.
July.
Anacapa.
42NM of Adrenaline.
Visualize it...
Bob



Edited by klozhald on Nov 12, 2013 - 04:07 PM.

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Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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This race is open to beachcats... you'll need five entries for PBYC to run the class... One year we had five entered, but only three boats showed up...

I have not made this race in the past few years as this is the week we usually take our family vacation, and this year is no different...

Have fun!



Edited by JohnES on Nov 13, 2013 - 09:31 AM.

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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[quote=JohnES]This race is open to beachcats... you'll need five entries for PBYC to run the class... One year we had five entered, but only three boats showed up...

John the entry form for this year said beach cats for TriPoint only. Talked with Richard about next year and he is "noodling it."
Street rumor is the perpetual trophy for Ingram is being applied to TriPoint. This is a good thing, I just wanna race the Ingram as well.

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Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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I would be into it. I did the Frenchies Rum run last year with the H18 but I just got a SC20 for races just like this.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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genehacker

I would be into it. I did the Frenchies Rum run last year with the H18 but I just got a SC20 for races just like this.

Geno, we'd love to have you race with us. Your Supercat is perfect for both these offshore races. I'l send you a message when the races get posted- should be in Feb. The Milt Ingram is in July and the Tri-point is August.

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Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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That would be awsome. I am looking forward to them.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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AM VARY INTERESTED IN THE RACE AND WILL CHECK BACK FOR MORE INFO

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jellis
prindle 18-2
orange county ca.
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I'm up for this race. I've done it several times, one time unofficial and single-handed!!! Not recommended!!! The other time we got to the west end of Anacapa and were flagged to go back to Ventura because of the rough conditions. We took a Disqualification because we decided to go around the island as per the original race instructions!!! What rough conditions, child's play!!!!!!!! It's similar to the Tri-Points Ocean Race with an upwind leg to one of the oil rigs and then a reach to the west side of Anacapa Island (counter-clockwise) with a great sail back to Ventura.
The new launch ramp will be in place by this date, all new docks! Hope to see quite a few catamarans out there. Fair winds and great sailing in 2014. By the way Robert Videan, the helmet is blue (Walzie's old batting helmet) and comes with Harbor Freight safety glasses!!! Bob Martinez, Vice-Commodore and Multihull Captain, Ventura Sailing Club.

P.S. New rigging is highly recommended and Murray Marine is only about 12 miles up the coast from Ventura and Joel can make you up a new set on the spot. Great service and peace of mind.



Edited by Dartman on Jan 20, 2014 - 11:10 AM.

Looks like Johnathon and I will be on the P-19 again this year. Had a BLAST last year and can't wait to do it again. Looking forward to seeing Dartman and the rest of the crew. Looking like Fleet 42 from Arizona will be there with 5-6 boats this year. I hope Klozhald will be able to make it!!! Lee and David - I20, Manny and Julianne - I20, Brett and crew - I20, Johnathon and I - P19, Jim and crew - HT18, Scott and Greg - N5.8, Greg and crew, N18SQ, Bob and Cutter, P18-2.

Scott Agan
Commodore - Fleet 42 - Arizona
G-Cat 5.7



Edited by gcatsailor on Jan 20, 2014 - 11:37 AM.

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Scott Agan
Tempe, Arizona
Commodore - Fleet 42
G-Cat 5.7
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I think I read somewhere that 16 foot boats aren't allowed but what about my NACRA 5.2? It is just over 17 feet. I'd love to do some distance races like this.

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1976 Nacra 5.2
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They told me last year the 5.2 couldn't enter, had to use the 5.7 or 5.8. It's a free ocean, so you can still make the run, but not enter the race officially.

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Windrider Rave Hydrofoil
Nacra 5.2 Restored and heavily modified
Nacra 5.2 (one under restoration)
Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.8NA
SoCal
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Thanks for the first hand info.
That's too bad that I won't be able to officially enter. Seems like the Island Series races are one of the few beach cat races in SoCal and seems like the most fun. Looks like instead of upgrading the 5.2 with a square top main or spinnaker, my best bet is to enjoy her as is and keep an eye out for a deal on a slightly bigger boat. Kind of a shame since I really like the size and weight of the 5.2.

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nacraflyer

They told me last year the 5.2 couldn't enter, had to use the 5.7 or 5.8. It's a free ocean, so you can still make the run, but not enter the race officially.

grogthegreat

Thanks for the first hand info.
That's too bad that I won't be able to officially enter. Seems like the Island Series races are one of the few beach cat races in SoCal and seems like the most fun. Looks like instead of upgrading the 5.2 with a square top main or spinnaker, my best bet is to enjoy her as is and keep an eye out for a deal on a slightly bigger boat. Kind of a shame since I really like the size and weight of the 5.2.

Yes you can do this, and I have sailed these waters in a 5.2 and a Prindle 16..... But I was a lot younger and not very smart at that time....

What we need are entrants, not renagads, to keep this race going...this is how the yacht club justified spending the money for trophies, chase boat, after race food, etc... If you can't "officially enter" let me know. There are plenty of Inter 20, F18, and other "legal" boats that don't enter because they don't have a crew....

How would you rather do this race; in a VW Bug with no roadside assistance, or on a MBZ 550SL with a 5.5L twin turbo diesel?



Edited by JohnES on Apr 01, 2014 - 03:22 PM.

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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John, your points match my thinking.

I would do this if I could enter officially where it would help pay for everything that goes into these races. It seems that the 5.2 has lot more forward hull volume compared to a Hobie 16 which I think are the boats that had issues and caused the 18' plus rule.
Crewing for someone who normally wouldn't be able to go would be a great option but I also need to be honest about my cat experience level. I've never been on a modern cat with an asymmetrical spinnaker so it wouldn't be fair to a skipper who wanted to compete for me to make his race my first learning experience.

At this point I'll enjoy the 5.2 and see if I can find any other regattas I can enter. By the time next year's race comes around I might have found a killer deal on a larger boat. Kind of off topic but it seems that 18'+ boats are either much heavier, take much longer to setup, and/or are a lot more money when compared to the 5.2.

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1976 Nacra 5.2
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Prindle 18's are easier to sail (no boards), lighter than 5.2 and very reasonable in price. Portsmouth of 74.8 vs 72.1. Pete

grogthegreat

Crewing for someone who normally wouldn't be able to go would be a great option but I also need to be honest about my cat experience level. I've never been on a modern cat with an asymmetrical spinnaker so it wouldn't be fair to a skipper who wanted to compete for me to make his race my first learning experience.

Tell ya what, why not the two of us hook up sometime in late May or June, and I'll take ya out on my F18... This is not a spinnaker race, this race is sheet in, hold on, and scream like hell....... But, I'll teach ya anyway. Some of my best learning experiences were on boats that were well above my comfort level...

Last fall I had my 64 year brother; with no cat and very little sailing experience, driving and manning the spin sheet after about 30 minutes of supervision... in a good 10kt breeze... It is not that hard!!!!!

That said, you and your crew are more than welcome to come and shadow the fleet, but I would prefer that we have entrants.....

pbegle

Prindle 18's are easier to sail (no boards), lighter than 5.2 and very reasonable in price. Portsmouth of 74.8 vs 72.1. Pete

Probably one of the easiest boats to set up from trailer to water...



Edited by JohnES on Apr 03, 2014 - 07:02 PM.

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John Schwartz
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John: I think I'll take you up on that! I'd love to get on a F18 and see/feel all the differences with the old 5.2. Plus I'm sure I'll learn some catamaran basics that I might not be doing right on my own boat.

After we go sailing, I might realize I won't slow anyone down too much; in which case I'd rather crew for someone who normally couldn't enter instead of following the parade on the 5.2.

I definitely need some experience on various 18 and 20 foot cats, as well as my own, before I seriously consider getting anything bigger; but I do know that if I get a new cat, I'll want it to be significantly faster. Otherwise it'd feel more like a step sideways than up.
Pbegle: If I get a raise at some point this year, maybe you could convince me to get a tornado! I know that I've been drooling over pictures and videos of them.

Well I didn't mean to derail the thread. John, I'm in the Escondido area. Do you normally sail out of LA or San Diego? Please PM me with any details when you have a day in mind.

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grogthegreat

Well I didn't mean to derail the thread. John, I'm in the Escondido area. Do you normally sail out of LA or San Diego? Please PM me with any details when you have a day in mind.

I sail out of Ventura.. Right now our ramp is under construction and I am real busy with work...so were a little out of commission for sailing until May..

Drop me an email at nacradriver at yahoo dot com...

In the interim, maybe Pete can make it down your way with one of his P18s and give a run....

We'll get ya squared away...

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Hey Grog, Will soon have Tornados on the beach here on Big Bear Lake and you're welcome to come up for a sail. This is landsail season for us until end of May (45 min down hill at Lucerne), so won't make it to San Diego. Sailing at 45-50 mph too tempting. Pete

OK, so it looks like the only beach cats class for this series in going to be in the Tri-Point race in August...

Unless some of you blokes want to enter the Milt...... looks like a dead horse...

I am not going to be in the area for the Milt...

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JohnES

Unless some of you blokes want to enter the Milt

I do want to race the Milt, and I'd bet I could talk Bob Martinez into it, so we only need three more cats.
The Milt race committee could be swayed by early registration.

Anyone on the west coast interested in the Milt Ingram race around Anacapa Island? A 48 mile offshore race with two beam reach drag races- one in the middle and the other at the end. The race is well organized and well run by PBYC.

Any questions can be posted here or send me a pm.

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Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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I would like to do the Milt race with either my SC20 or a friends boat. Is there enough time/interest to get enough cats?

Also dose anyone know if the "frenchy's rum run race" will happen this year? The Ventrua Sailing Club's website is down.

If the Milt race doesn't happen how likely is it that there will be a catamaran class in the "tri point race"?

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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There could be a 8.0 earthquake and there will be a Tri Point Race. Pete

I sail my H18 out of Oxnard and would love to sail in the Milt Ingram.

I would be a 100% in if we can put enough boats together.

Pete (thanks for the furler and great conversation this weekend) turned me onto the Tri-point. My crew (college age daughter has a soccer match that day and were still trying to work that out with her coach.

The Milt Ingram looks like a fantastic race. I emailed the organizer to ask.

I am looking into the milt today , will not be another boat but Geno and I will decide on the SC20 or my 5.8

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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Milt is NOT on for beachcats...no chase boat!

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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I received an email with the same response.... that they do not have a chase boat.

Tri-Point is the event.

We are entering the tri point this year and am contemplating a spin setup on the Nacra 5.8 for this run? does anyone think is is worth the trouble of installing it.
cheers

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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Is the 5.8 a North America version? If it is (bow foil) I wouldn't do it. 5.8NA is fast when sailed to it's potential. If it is not, knock yourself out, but, my thinking is . . . .

buy a N20. Awesome platform, dirt cheap, spin out of the box design, balanced, etc.

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We are entering the tri point this year and am contemplating a spin setup on the Nacra 5.8 for this run? does anyone think is is worth the trouble of installing it.
cheers

Not for this race.....is is mostly beam to broad reaches and upwind

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Ventura, CA
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Thanks for the replies,not an NA. so will forget about the spin setup and keep things simple.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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Just secured crew so I'm signing up tonight!

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David
Nacra 5.5SL
Nacra 5.2 (sold)
San Diego, CA
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davidsd

Just secured crew so I'm signing up tonight!

Awesome David... look forward to your coming up..

Shoot me a PM if you need and directions helot etc.... Also, we have a group breakfast at the Carrows off the 101 and Seaward Ave. exit

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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