Hi,

Remember the wooden red Tornado I was planning to restore ?
Well, due to circumstances it didn't make it.
So, all that was left was mast,boards, rudders, boom, beam and sails.

To my surprise a very nice guy ,who knows my sailmaker, called me
and told he had found a neglected T in a ditch and he found the
owner. He needed a mast and other hardware .
So we went together to pick the cat up. And split the merchandise.
Thank You Misha !
We towed it out of the ditch with my volvo

It was supposed to be a balsa-wood / epoxy cat.
It came with beams and a good trampoline but in sorry
state, because it had been in the water for years.



With help from a club member we started sanding .



To find a rotten fore-deck in the port hull. The other hull is sound.



So, we took it out. To discover its an epoxy T, with a balsa/ epoxy
deck.



We kept the upper-deck as a template.



And started rebuilding.



Hope to have the deck finished in 4 days, after that its paint.
Fingers crossed for a indian summer. Wanna sail this T asap !

Sold the P18-2 yesterday to have some resources rigging the T.

While sanding, we didn't find a vin-number or brand-name,
only it has sailspar beams and mast, so we decided its a "russian" Tornado
witch had a wealthy owner and rigged it in Britain

André



Edited by catmodding on Sep 07, 2014 - 11:59 PM.

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Take lots more pics of the process. Looks like a great project. Nice job of saving a great boat!

--
New Prindle 18-2 Owner
Former Prindle 18 Owner
Multiple Hobie 16s
Boylston Massachusetts
Webster Lake Indian Lake Narragnsett Bay in Rhode Island
--

Maybe an early Reg White Tornado? I have one with rotten decks around the port holes.

--
Pete Knapp
Schodack landing,NY
Goodall Viper,AHPC Viper,Nacra I20
--

Looking at that list of your boats Pete, I'd suggest counseling. You obviously have an addiction.

Dave

Quote

Looking at that list of your boats Pete, I'd suggest counseling. You obviously have an addiction.

how many do you own?

pknapp66

Maybe an early Reg White Tornado? I have one with rotten decks around the port holes.

Dont't know if its an Reg White, it probably is, given the fact it has SailSpar beams
and mast, like the idea its a Russian boat tough.

Finished sanding the hulls with 80 grain today, boy, this cat has had a lot
of colors!! The original color was yellow .

Yesterday we tried to make a new under deck from okumé -ply, didn't work,
we could not bend it into shape. Working with bend frames made it to heavy.
So I went to a pro, he advised me to use the good hull front-deck as a template
by covering the good front-deck with a plastic-foil and glass-fiber and epoxy
that. After curing there's a perfect deck shape in glass/epoxy.
We start on that tomorrow, wil make pictures.

André



Edited by catmodding on Sep 08, 2014 - 06:51 PM.

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

The 16s are gone, but I was supposed to pick up a hobie wave today :) Unfortunately, the skeg was split in half; looked like a peeled banana. Man, it was a 2009 and owned by a yacht club/sailing school. Had nearly new sails. I guessed it was dragged around just a bit on the rocks. Lot of driving for nothing.

Anyway, looking forward to the pics. Cool idea about molding the deck from the good one. Document that one well. I remember reading about guys peel off damaged decks on some of the nacras, but they were able to order new decks from the manufacturer. Not sure this is still the case on some of the older boats, so this would be a great alternative.

--
New Prindle 18-2 Owner
Former Prindle 18 Owner
Multiple Hobie 16s
Boylston Massachusetts
Webster Lake Indian Lake Narragnsett Bay in Rhode Island
--

Currently 6 ready to sail and 1 tornado project. In my defense the H18 magnum is in the classifieds,but I am
Considering an H21 SE project. My name is Pete and I am an addict. There I took the first step. I don't own a Nacra....

--
Pete Knapp
Schodack landing,NY
Goodall Viper,AHPC Viper,Nacra I20
--

My name is Steve and I am addicted to sailing.
3 ready to sail and a 22 foot MacGregor in the works...
Wife wants to sleep on the water.
What can I say?

--
1975 P16 "Spring Rain"Sail # 642
Home Built 2004 Optimist-Delta "Unity"
So old it has Dino hide for a sail Chrysler "Pirateer"
Steve
Oyama BC
Lat 50.1167 N
Long 119.3667 W
1700 ft
--

To much rain today, (unexpected) and work ..
Tomorrow sanding in 125 grain and maybe 300's
Still trying to get the "replica" set together, foam
and epoxy-resistant foil.

André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Hi,
so, went to a professional boatbuilder-shop today and bought;
Some foil to cover the deck.
Pre Impregnated foam 5mm.
3 Kg of epoxy.
Boy, now I know why light-weight racing yachts are so expensive !!

We started spanning the foil over the "good" frontdeck



Then, like some proper "Hans Brinker" Dutch guys we made some
dykes to prevent the epoxy flowing all over the place.
We used anti-draft tape used for door and windows.



Then cut 3 layers of glass into shape.



Epoxied them to the foil. Sorry, couldn't make foto's, my hospital-
gloves were soaked in epoxy. 2 layers of 280 gr/sqm , 1 of 380 gr.



Now, as for foam. There's two sorts of pre impregnated foam,
one is made to " bake of " after its put in shape.
I bought the one that can be "cold cured " its 5mm and expensive.
They only sell it in standard ply-wood size.
Gonna donate the rest of it to club-members in need.



After al the precious work today, my mate gently stabbed a knife
in a decks gelcoat-crack, only to discover the previous owner(s) put
at least 3/4 layers of rubbish on the original deck. Gelcoat is absurd !
Thick and heavy .
So next job is stabbing the decks clean and sand till its yellow-ish..
After this the T has lost a lot of weight !
Especially the blue paint is something very low-budget. The gelcoat
didn't stick to it and it didn't stick to the epoxy-deck. So we can stab
off most of it away.





Keep You posted, André



Edited by catmodding on Sep 10, 2014 - 09:42 PM.

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Like

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New Prindle 18-2 Owner
Former Prindle 18 Owner
Multiple Hobie 16s
Boylston Massachusetts
Webster Lake Indian Lake Narragnsett Bay in Rhode Island
--

André,
This is awesome!
I'm sad that you had to sell the P 18-2, but to build this rocket - totally worth it!
As usual you are doing a great job of documenting it for us.
Bob

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Sheet In!
Bob
_/)_____/)_/)____/)____/)_____/)/)__________/)__
Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
--

Hi,
Yesterday started a bit disappointing , 3 layers of glass is
not enough to make sturdy a deck, it was floppy like a
mousepad.
So I added 2 more layers and went walking the dog.
I recommend at least 6 layers of glass if some-one ever
gonna do this.



The next day the deck was a lot better.



We kept the old deck as a template.



To draw the required size on the new deck.
And cut it to the right size.



I was wondering it would fit inhere.



Well, it fitted like a glove !! And has the right curve.
We needed a screwdriver to get it out again !



A glass only deck isn't strong enough, so we are gonna
strengthen it with foam.
The flange(?) we made on the bad hull is about 2,5 cm.
Using the old deck as a template, we cut out the foam minus
the 2,5 cm on all edges.



Again, we used the sound hull as a mould and soaked the
foam with epoxy.



We did put the glas deck on the foam and pushed out all
the air between the layers.



Next, we put some timber over the construction.



With straps, we created some slight pressure on the deck.



I'm going to see how it worked out tomorrow .

André



Edited by catmodding on Sep 13, 2014 - 08:22 AM.

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Andre, is it not better/cheaper/lighter/stronger to borrow aircraft technology & utilize a couple of ribs/stringers to give support vs thick enough glass?
When I was looking for a T, the decks seemed to be 1/4" ply, supported by a stringer every 16" or so. It would be VERY easy to make them using thin cardboard,(that's what Nacra used) wetted then overlayed with cloth.
Wet cardboard, fold into a "T" shape, with the vertical leg of the "T" a fold upon itself. You have then essentially built a structural beam, with a wide flange for the deck to rest on. If you now visualize the beam lengthways, you leave 4" extra of cardboard at each end. The extra can be folded 90* & serve to tab the beam to the inside of the hull. This can be done with the vertical leg of the "T", and the "arms".
Here are a couple of photos of an N5.2 hull. They used cardboard tubes to give rigidity. The actual decks are pretty thin.
.




Edited by Edchris177 on Sep 13, 2014 - 04:34 PM.

--
Hobie 18 Magnum
Dart 15
Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.0
Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
--

Edchris177

Andre, is it not better/cheaper/lighter/stronger to borrow aircraft technology & utilize a couple of ribs/stringers to give support vs thick enough glass?
.
Here are a couple of photos of an N5.2 hull. They used cardboard tubes to give rigidity. The actual decks are pretty thin.

Thank You Edchris,
This is interesting stuff and the cardboard tube trick, I will certainly
remember and try.
What I'm trying to do is rebuild the deck the way it was, using modern
materials. So, upperdeck, foam instead of balsa and underdeck.
5 layers of glass fiber soaked in epoxy is just over 3 mm, this is thin
for a upper-deck
The foam I use is also used in voilvo ocean racers, it can be put
into shape by pressure or with a heat-gun.
Today I finished the deck and weighted it, its just under 1900 gram.
In a few hours I will post some pics of yesterdays and todays work.

Regards, André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

I left You all with a glass deck and 1 layer of foam.
This is the way it looked the next morning, lots more
strength but still flexible .



Time to cut out layer 2 and 3 of foam.



and soak them in epoxy.



And cure them on the " good " deck.



Next day there was a sturdy, stiff an hard deck, its weight is less
than 1900 gram !!



Then, we started preparing for the under-deck, 2 layers of glass.



This is layer 1, couldn't make foto's of the second, soaking gloves.



We started early today, so when the epoxy of the under deck
was sticky, we prepared the "bad" hull to glue the deck in.
Used some other epoxy this time, its thicker and foamy and
designed to bond pieces together.



Thats when my camera died on me, but we did the same trick,
timber and straps. Tomorrow this should be cured and the
"bad" hull has a deck again.

Keep you posted.

André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Andre,

Great job documenting the repair. Did you have any stringers under the rotten foredeck when you remove it?
How thick was the deck that you removed? Like Edchris mentioned, mine has stringers about 16 inches apart and a 1/4 inch plywood deck. My plywood stringers have started to delaminate and I am thinking about drilling into them from the top,injecting epoxy, and then using stainless screws to pull them back together.
Any other ideas would be appreciated. Do not want to remove the decks if at all possible.

Pete

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Pete Knapp
Schodack landing,NY
Goodall Viper,AHPC Viper,Nacra I20
--

Pete,

No stringers whatsoever, just a thin under-deck, balsa ( grain vertical )
and a epoxied deck with gelcoat. About 2 centimeters thick.
In the bottom of the hulls a tempex foam block.
Around the rear portholes theres som minor delam. Gonna take care
of that next season.
Removing front or rear-deck is do-able, depending on your space for
working on the cat.
The injection-method is something for next season, never have done that.
Season is closing overhere, just wanna sail this T before that.

pknapp66

Andre,

Great job documenting the repair. Did you have any stringers under the rotten foredeck when you remove it?
How thick was the deck that you removed? Like Edchris mentioned, mine has stringers about 16 inches apart and a 1/4 inch plywood deck. My plywood stringers have started to delaminate and I am thinking about drilling into them from the top,injecting epoxy, and then using stainless screws to pull them back together.
Any other ideas would be appreciated. Do not want to remove the decks if at all possible.

Pete

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

This morning, a surprise, A sturdy, stiff new deck



Its good, I can't push it in. It doesn't flex. Happy !!

The rest of the day we sanded the hull and put some
epoxy-putty here and there.

After clean-up we gave the deck a last layer of glass,
partly because the material was there, Partly because I
decided to save on gelcoat, which is next.



André 

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Hi,
The weather is turning bad, 2 more days without rain, maybe 3.
So we decided to leave the deck as it is an started sand the hulls
300 grain.



After a few hours, two hulls ready for paint.



Tomorrow is paint-day.

André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

catmodding

Tomorrow is paint-day.

That's the fun part! Can't wait to see the result of all your hard work.

--
Damon Linkous
1992 Hobie 18
Memphis, TN

How To Create Your Signature

How To Create Your Own Cool Avatar

How To Display Pictures In The Forums.
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Andre, in a couple of your posts you mentioned gelcoat, now you say you are going to paint, if you are going to paint I look forward to your documenting this as I will most likely be doing the same.....

http://www.thebeachcats.c…c/15099/start/0#pid53075

The side of the hulls are going to be painted. The new deck gets new gelcoat
to get rid of the glas-fibre structure..

André

the-renovator

Andre, in a couple of your posts you mentioned gelcoat, now you say you are going to paint, if you are going to paint I look forward to your documenting this as I will most likely be doing the same.....

http://www.thebeachcats.c…c/15099/start/0#pid53075

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

First day of paint.
I was early, so dried the hull with a cloth.



Then cleaned the hulls with a cleaner that came with the kit



Taped the tangs



This is the set I used for paint, 2 component polyurethane
based. 5 sets are needed for the T.



These cups are so handy !! Costs 0,60



Ready to mix the hardener-compound



When mixed , its rolling time ! I use a lacker-roller and put on
the paint top to bottom first . Then without putting any pressure
on the roller, roll it bow to stern. Pot-life is 15 minutes !!
Not sure how to do this? Ask a professional painter.



Arrived at 10.00hrs and 11.15hrs the job was done, what's left is curing
in the sun for hours.
Important !! Always paint in the morning, This paint needs at least
6 hours of curing before dew sets in.





Tomorrow, more paint.

André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

catmodding

Arrived at 10.00hrs and 11.15hrs the job was done, what's left is curing
in the sun for hours.
Important !! Always paint in the morning, This paint needs at least
6 hours of curing before dew sets in.

Did you move the hulls outdoors for the picture? Or did you paint out there? Seems like you would get a lot of dirt and dust blown onto the wet paint? That looks like a dirt road?

--
Damon Linkous
1992 Hobie 18
Memphis, TN

How To Create Your Signature

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How To Display Pictures In The Forums.
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Awesome Andre

--
1975 P16 "Spring Rain"Sail # 642
Home Built 2004 Optimist-Delta "Unity"
So old it has Dino hide for a sail Chrysler "Pirateer"
Steve
Oyama BC
Lat 50.1167 N
Long 119.3667 W
1700 ft
--

Sorry, can't remove this..

André



Edited by catmodding on Sep 19, 2014 - 04:35 PM.

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Damon,
Did paint inside and took them out when the paint was dry.
The garage is to cramped and dark to take good pics.

[quote=DamonLinkous]

catmodding

Did you move the hulls outdoors for the picture? Or did you paint out there? Seems like you would get a lot of dirt and dust blown onto the wet paint? That looks like a dirt road?

And its not a dirt road, the whole terrain of the club is paved
with crushed sea-shells, hardly any dust.

André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

So left you with 2 shiny hulls. Was called away and left the hulls outside.



Had to work a couple of days and when I returned ..... Disaster !!!!!
The paint was mat and had crackles and bubbles at some places.



We started sanding again to discover a strange chemical reaction
which caused the old gelcoat to bubble.



Out of frustration and to boost moral somewhat I painted one deck
so we could at least see what the result wil be in the end.



We sanded € 60,00 worth of paint away.



And started filling the bubble-holes with putty



And faired the complete hull.



Next is a primer to separate the old gelcoat from the new paint.
Then is paint , version 2.....

What a frustrating period, keep You posted.

André



Edited by catmodding on Sep 24, 2014 - 02:51 PM.

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Epoxy Paint?

--
Ron
Big Bear Lake, Ca.
1990 Hobie 18 Worlds
1988 Mac 26Dagger
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No, a 2-component paint based on polyurethane.

rondog

Epoxy Paint?

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Work kept me away from the T , and temps are slowly going down,
overhere.
So, we sharpened our weapons (a 3Kw heater) and started on the primer.



We rolled the primer and let it cure in the garage at 20 degr C.



The result was a relief, finally no blisters or chemical reactions !!



But the hull is still not good enough for paint, to many little cracks
and dents.



So we had another round of putty and sanding.

Had a good word with the paint/glass/epoxy-suplier , since the primer
finally "separated " the hull from the upcoming layers, he suggested
to finish the hull in polyurethane products and recommended 2
layers of topcoat, which is, in fact, a thick polyurethane coat to
smoothen the hull. And get rid of the last small ripples and bulbs.



And yes, Damon, we rolled and cured it inside !




Left the T with a smile today, tomorrow is sanding at 400 grain,
and next is hi-gloss paint.

Our club lets me use their garage for this project, but I am not
allowed to sand in the garage and in the weekends I have to take
out the hulls.
Takes a lot of planning this way, but I'm so happy with this club !!!

Keep You posted.

André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Update.
We started early today and sand the hull 400 grain.

an

Man, they felt so smooth !! So we decided to speed up a little
and put the first layer of hi-gloss on.



Left them there with a little heat.
So curious how it works out...



Tomorrow the second layer and off to work this weekend.

A



Edited by catmodding on Oct 01, 2014 - 10:58 PM.

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Update.

Tada !!!







Today, we did exact the same thing for a second layer.
And went of for work.

Smile. André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

glad you didn't have issues this time
lookin good!

Hi andre

nice to see that the hulls are now getting perfect.

mischa

WooHoo André- this project rocks!

--
Sheet In!
Bob
_/)_____/)_/)____/)____/)_____/)/)__________/)__
Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
--

Work got cancelled today (I am freelance)
So got the hulls out in the open.



The second layer of lacker gives it even more gloss.

Since the weather-forecast predicted probably the last good day
of the season, we looked at each other and decided to go sailing.
Instead of starting on the decks.

My mate's T is a Marstrom, epoxy, carbon mast, new sails monster !
We had a good time with the spi up, doing 19-20 Mph. in moderate
winds.

Next is finishing the decks.
Keep You posted.

André

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Hi,

Since there's no vin number to be found on this T, I am curious
who is the builder.

The rear-beam has 1 end-cap stating " sailspar" , the other one
is missing.



While visiting their web-site, I stumbled into this :
http://www.sailspar.co.uk…-of-the-family-business/,

So, it is almost certain a White T, did send them a e-mail for an other
end-cap and asked for some more background info.

Its definitely not on one of the the transoms.





Hope sailspar responds to this mail.

My insurance-company gives me a hard time over the missing numbers,
liability is ok but no further coverage.

Fall kicked in good over-here, temps below 15 dgr C, (lowest temp for
working with epoxy) and rain for at least 3 days..

Keep You posted.

André



Edited by catmodding on Oct 06, 2014 - 09:52 PM.

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Quote

So, it is almost certain a White T, did send them a e-mail for an other
end-cap and asked for some more background info.

I don't believe they will have any of those end caps, those T's were built in the late 70's, however you may well be able to find one from a parts/wrecked boat.
Unfortunately, Reg White is no longer with us. He passed away suddenly, while sailing IIRC , a couple of years ago.
They won their gold medal during the Olympics held in Canada, his crew,(John Osbourne) still lives here, & owns a local sail shop, very good people to deal with.
I stumbled across them while searching for knowledgeable Cat sailors, mentioned they were hard to find in this neck of the woods.
His wife remarked;
"You should talk to my husband.
He won a gold medal... sailing Tornado's,
at the Olympics."

--
Hobie 18 Magnum
Dart 15
Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.0
Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
--

Andre,

post your picture to the tornadocat yahoo group. Maybe someone there will have one. Geoff Dobbs who used to run sailcraft of Canada is active there and might be able to tell you if your boat is a reg white

Pete

--
Pete Knapp
Schodack landing,NY
Goodall Viper,AHPC Viper,Nacra I20
--

This is what Sailspar replied to my mail:

" Good morning, what a lovely job you have made with your restoration! I have asked both David and Derrick about this as they have both been with Sailspar from the 1970s. David said that his Tornado had the first prototype beam of this kind back in 1975. This beam was made from about 1975 to late 1980s. The Tornado is more than likely to be Sailcraft made. This was Reg White's company and now his son Robert is trading under White Formula UK. We do not have any of these end caps anymore however I am told that we could make one. Kind regards


Penny Beech
Office Manager
01206 251348 "

Pete,
Will post the pics in the yahoo group, thanks for the advice.

pknapp66

Andre,

post your picture to the tornadocat yahoo group. Maybe someone there will have one. Geoff Dobbs who used to run sailcraft of Canada is active there and might be able to tell you if your boat is a reg white

Pete

Edchriss,
Could You give me an address or telephone-number of John Osborn's shop?
As You said, they are very hard to find, nothing on the interweb. Thanks.

So, my T is more then likely a Sailcraft, building year between '75 and late '80's.
Next is contacting White Formula for some more info.

A

--
Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
--

Great job on the boat restore and now the detective work! Will you get it on the water this year? I thought you North Sea guys sailed year round?

--
Damon Linkous
1992 Hobie 18
Memphis, TN

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Thanks, Damon, I consider the restoration half done at the moment.
To many things to sort out after hull repair. Rigging, sails, blocks etc etc .
Having no vin-number is why I started this investigation , and now its just
fun to learn more about T's and my T especially .

DamonLinkous

Great job on the boat restore and now the detective work!

Season is turning into Fall over-here, so hardtime for epoxy curing and that kind
of stuff. If the club let's me use the garage for a few weeks, I might get it on the water.
Last weekend of october is end of season at our club.

DamonLinkous

! Will you get it on the water this year?

We are at the IJselmeer, an inland sea/lake, North-sea season is over for a couple
of weeks already. So, north-sea crew comes to train/sail at the lake year round.
Remember the biggest cat-beach in the world ?

DamonLinkous

I thought you North Sea guys sailed year round?

Keep You posted,

André



Edited by catmodding on Oct 07, 2014 - 10:28 PM.

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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Andre,

really enjoying this thread. There is an add in the classifieds for a mast and beams. Maybe contact him to see if there are end caps and if they are a match. Good luck.

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Could You give me an address or telephone-number of John Osborn's shop?

http://www.sobstad.ca/
If you call early in the day, Leah, the sailmaker usually picks up. She does wonderful work, at fair prices. I took a sail in a few weeks ago. She asked when I wanted it, as a joke I said 1/2 hour. She said, I can't do it in 1/2 hr, but if you come back in 1 1/2 hrs I'll have it!
I haven't seen John around the shop to much, but his wife is usually there. She is very friendly, helpful, & has got John on the line a few times to answer some rigging questions I had. Their son , Richard is involved with the business, though he may be out a lot as he does a lot of rigging.
Sailing season is ending here fairly quickly, they may be swamped with all the leaners bringing sails in.
It's such a pleasant experience dealing with them, low key, knowledgeable, & really care about sailing vs just moving product.
I don't believe John has been active with Cats for a few years now, not sure if he would have any leads on what you're looking for.
When I was searching for a T, I spent a good deal of overseas time reading through the T forum. There are a number of people there who are doing/did the same type project you are involved in.
There is a poster here, Earl White who resurrected a T.
Not sure what his moniker is, but if you search for the fairly recent thread where a couple of people mentioned Lake Pend Oreille, in Idaho, US he posted to that thread, & you could get his PM.



Edited by Edchris177 on Oct 07, 2014 - 06:08 PM.

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Dart 15
Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
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Here is Earls contact
http://www.thebeachcats.c…nc=viewtopic&topic=15207

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Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.0
Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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Sorry Guys,
Was called away from this project for a big work project , returning home,
a mishap in my personal life made me decide to postpone this project till spring.
I'm fine though.
Fall has really kicked in and temps are below the magic 15 degr C number
necessary for working with epoxy .
I will keep my eye on a heated work-space this coming winter, but I don't
wanna drag the hulls around to much because they are so nice, and beautiful.
Stepping away from this project for a period also opened my eyes and
made me decide to remove all the balsa decks and do the "foam-deck"
treatment for the decks. It saves weight and leaves me with a virtually
new, less maintainance, proper T in the end. At least we know how
to build decks now .

So, if any of You stil sailing... as Bob says "sheet in !!!"

Keep You posted, André

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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I'm back !!
Finally temps are getting into the 13/17 Celsius range.
When looking at the hulls this winter, I discovered soft-spots in
the other front-deck too. Not as bad, but with the knowledge of
how to build a new deck. I decided to replace the other front-deck
too.



So, started with the folie and dyke trick again.



First layer of glas, 5 more to go.



Ran out of glass-fibre mat. Next layers gonna be 2 or 3 in
one go.
Keep you posted, again.

Grtz, André

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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I must admit when these layers went wrong , I almost gave this
project up and ran away from it. If it wasn't for my mate cursing at
me and helping me with the T. Decided to start again.
Look what we did in the past 4 days.

First we had to build another front-deck.
So, removed the rotten one.



Next, we put in a flange for the new deck, using strips of hard-
wood and epoxy-pasta.



Made an upper-deck using 5 layers of 300 gram glas.



Cut out 3 layers of Corecell M-foam, precisely to fit in between
the fixed flanges



Next, we put a layer of plastic on the " good" hull, the plastic is
used for vacuum-bagging an won't stick to epoxy.
When it"s cured.
On top of that, 3 layers of foam and the upper-deck.



Next, soaked it in epoxy and strapped it to the good hull to cure.
Like this.



Time to glue the new deck into place, filling the flanges with
epoxy-pasta and add some slight pressure on the deck.


Time for sanding and putty.



Then we painted the decks, I decided to paint the whole deck
with dark-grey antiskid paint. In my opinion it looks so much
better and quieter then some of the patterns you see on other
tornados.





Finally, we can start " building" instead of repairing...
Feels so good !!
So, we started with the rudder-assembly, used a rudder and
a tape-measurer for alignment and made sure the whole
setup is waterproof with plenty of sikaflex compound.



Making holes in the newly made decks felt a bit strange, but
man ! They feel sturdy and stiff.





Monday is day of. And shop for some black inspection port-
holes.
Then, beams and trampoline. Its starting to look like a sail-boat
again.



Regards, André



Edited by catmodding on Aug 10, 2015 - 04:37 AM.

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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Tadah !!





5 days of hard labour.

Regards, André

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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It's A Boat!
Congrats, but can she sail?

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Thanks, Damon

Waiting for inspection portholes from England, not a
standard size. Mail says they would arrive next thursday.
Next is bitts and pieces, all the sails are there, just sorting
stuff out. This weekend ??

Grtz, A

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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but can she sale?

I'm sure if the price is right she will SALE

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I WILL NOT SELL HER !!!

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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catmodding

I WILL NOT SELL HER !!!

André- you did it!
The Tornado looks GREAT!
Can't wait to hear how she sails.
Brilliant!

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André- you did it!
The Tornado looks GREAT!
Can't wait to hear how she sails.
Brilliant!

Thanks Bob,
It took some time, but I hope to sail in a day or 3.


@ Damon
Got them ! Because the T is quite old, the port-holes
were probably in imperial size. Not metric.
Found this small company in Holland which sells rare
sizes. Tomorrow I'll put them on the boat.




Regards, André



Edited by catmodding on Aug 13, 2015 - 01:36 AM.

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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What an amazing job Andre! Every lady craves that kinda attention you have given to your boat - just a small piece of it would probably be good enuff to keep a hundred of 'em happy..

We moved to the US from Germany many years ago so I know the Ijsselmeer from frequent visits to the Netherlands. Sailing has been a more recent thing for me so I am curious to check out cat sailing in those waters some time - seems like it's a good place to cat sail. I may get in touch with you some time.

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Damon was right,
A lot was not done before she really sailed...
Broken daggerboards for example.



But we fixed it, scraping them to the bear, replacing all the bronze
screws for ss ones, glued them together
and soaked the in epoxy. Next two layers of dd lacker for uv
protection..



We ran into some "old-style/new-style questions ...



Here she fully rigged



Some photo's

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Sailed the heck out of her, at least I thought I did..

First race was a 8 run , one weekend event...

1- dsq
2 2
3 DNF
4 DnF

5 dns
6 last
7 last
8 last.

Hahaha what a bummer, every line was setup wrong, the whole boat,
and me were not ready to race.


A Tornado sailor at our club saw me struggling and took me out for a
few runs.
We tweaked the setup and he explained me a lot about fat-head sailing.
Managed a 10 min. run between 23/25 knots with him Awfull !!

No pictures or go pro footage, have to really rebuild the T for that.

Now, 25 october is mast down at our club, I'am gonna spend all spare
time to sail her as best as I can.




Next season is snuffer boom and restore main decks ..


Grtz, André

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Tornado (80's Reg White)
Prindle 18-2 (sold)
Dart 16 (hired and hooked)
13 mtr steel cutter (sold)
Etap 22, unsinkable sailing pocket cruiser.

Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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