I am looking for a Tornado with wooden hulls. I live in the u.k, Poole. If you can help my email is deadingod at yahoo dot com thank you.



Edited by deadingod on Mar 30, 2017 - 05:12 AM.

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my email is xxx thank you.

You may want to "code" this a little so spambots don't find it and start to spam the crud out of your inbox

i.e.
deadingod at yahoo dot com

Hey deadingod. Someone just posted a Wood Tornado in the Classified Ads on this site FYI.

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2000 NACRA 500 TOTAL LOSS
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DeLand, FL
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Yes thank you Pete. I am in discussion with the owner now.

Cool.

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Pete
2001 NACRA 450 SOLD
2000 NACRA 500 TOTAL LOSS
2004 NACRA INTER 20 SOLD
2016 NACRA 500 Sport
DeLand, FL
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I am deadingod, only with a new email address. I was in discussion about a wooden tornado with a gentleman in the u.s. Things did not go wrong, it's just that my timescale was out a fair bit. This is a long shot: Does that gentleman still frequent beach cats & does he still have the Woody for sale ? If so would he contact me please ? Luciousbrun (@) gmail dot com. Thank you. If anyone else has a Woody for sale also please contact me just in case my good gentleman does not respond. Kindest regards, Lance.

Beware, spent about 50 emails with this gentleman from England about two years ago when my woody was for sale. Way too much talk and no action. Pete in Big Bear

Unfortunately things did not go according to my time scale, that happens in life from time to time as everyone knows; that does not make me a bad person. How dare you ! Out of respect I have come seeking you, so how was our discussion a waste of time ? I sent you 50 emails ? Did you correspond with me ? Yes. Was that correspondence over one Woody ? No. We spoke of many things, & don't say we didn't cuz we did. We were discussing a business proposition that was way & above the purchase of a single boat, so tell the truth ! Or how were 50 emails sent and replied too ! Over a single boat ! That's impossible. Business discussions often do not result in a business, that's life, it is no slur on my character. You are patently bitter cuz business did not go as you wanted it too. How childish & how disgusting to write what you have just written on the basis of a business discussion. How appalling. Also, had you any decency you would have spoken to me in private first, found out the situation & then you would have been informed instead of being just outright rude and insulting. Shame on you !

People can see for themselves the cost of talking business with you. And why on earth, after such a disgraceful message, did you call me gentleman ? You're a weapons grade hypocrite.

This discussion is through.

If anyone has an unpainted woody for sale I am in the market to purchase.

Kindest regards

Lance



Edited by lance-b on Apr 19, 2019 - 04:15 PM.

Well Pete, I've calmed down since I posted my reaction to what you said. I should have not answered, calmed down, and then wrote to you - I live and learn. First, I apologise for abruptly ending our discussion 2 years ago, although to be fair I did have much more important issues to deal with. I also apologise for that last post, it was reactional.

I understand how you may feel, although I assure you I only ever did act and do act with honest motive. True to my word, and partly in response (not offence) at what you wrote, I will come and see you face to face, and we will see about whether your words are true.

I look forward to seeing you.

Kindest regards

Lance.

Lance, my woody Tornado is sold and two others in our area (not wood) have been sold recently. So that activity is gone. Pete

Lance,

Wooden boats are a lot of work. Shipping boats is about the same amount of work! It would cost more to ship a container from the U.S to the U.K than an older wooden T is worth, if you found one. Best to get in touch with the U.K Tornado class if you are interested: http://www.tornado-class.org/countries/uk/

Often owners need crew, so you may even find a ride without buying a ride!

You should've said that to start with. Why did you not say that to start with ? Now, you are lying.



Edited by lance-b on Apr 25, 2019 - 02:11 AM.

Transport is no problem. A ride without buying a ride ? Everyone's a Keyboard Warrior. Does your voice convey the same self-confidence as your post ?



Edited by lance-b on Apr 25, 2019 - 02:32 AM.

I'm a very, very patient man. I don't ever forget and I never quit, ever. I don't like liars, and I don't like the spite filled Keyboard Warriors which stand by liars. I gave you a lot of my time Peter.

The difference between me and you Peter is that I'll travel to the ends of the earth and back again and back again and back again and back again and back again and...to defend my honour, and my integrity. I will not tolerate being called a liar, by anyone.



Edited by lance-b on Apr 25, 2019 - 02:38 AM.

if you change your mind and want to buy a nice fiberglass Tornado I just posted mine in the classifieds.

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How dare you !

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You are patently bitter cuz business did not go as you wanted it too. How childish & how disgusting to write what you have just written on the basis of a business discussion. How appalling. Also, had you any decency you would have spoken to me in private first, found out the situation & then you would have been informed instead of being just outright rude and insulting. Shame on you !

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You're a weapons grade hypocrite.

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This discussion is through.

IS IT REALLY? i think not

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I will come and see you face to face, and we will see about whether your words are true.

IS THAT A THREAT?

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You should've said that to start with. Why did you not say that to start with ? Now, you are lying.

Said what? the boat was sold after you stopped communicating with Pete or that shipping was more expensive than the boat was worth?

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Everyone's a Keyboard Warrior. Does your voice convey the same self-confidence as your post ?

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I don't ever forget and I never quit, ever. I don't like liars, and I don't like the spite filled Keyboard Warriors which stand by liars.

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The difference between me and you Peter is that I'll travel to the ends of the earth and back again and back again and back again and back again and back again and...to defend my honour, and my integrity.

I live at:1060 W Addison St, Chicago, IL 60613


You have some serious issues

That was interesting, Lance not sure why you are so riled up but we try to keep things calm and on-topic here.

You were doing good for a minute.

lance-b

I live and learn. First, I apologise for abruptly ending our discussion 2 years ago, although to be fair I did have much more important issues to deal with. I also apologise for that last post, it was reactional.

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Damon, why tell me, 'we keep things on topic' when Peter took things off topic with his first post ? After that, I've every right to defend myself; however, I do not see this matter being resolved over the Internet. As things remain I have nothing further to write.



Edited by lance-b on Apr 25, 2019 - 04:03 PM.

lance-b

As things remain I have nothing further to write.Edited by lance-b on Apr 25, 2019 - 04:03 PM.

Thank Goodness because I'm all out of popcorn!!!



Edited by martyr on Apr 25, 2019 - 08:19 PM.

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In his defense, Pete is a good guy and sells quality parts, so....just saying!!!

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lance-b

Damon, why tell me, 'we keep things on topic' when Peter took things off topic with his first post ? After that, I've every right to defend myself; however, I do not see this matter being resolved over the Internet. As things remain I have nothing further to write.Edited by lance-b on Apr 25, 2019 - 04:03 PM.

What a shame. You seem like a very courteous and stable buyer to work with.

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Mr. Mattson, thank you for your observation. Although I have a solution to my current absence of a woody I am very willing to consider other possibilities; to be honest, anything Tornado related I am really interested in right now, whether plastic boats or technical information, and my only limitation is good quality. Please feel free to post accordingly; the matter that my no further writing was referring to is an entirely different matter to my interest in Tornados. Kindest regards.

Note. If your post was sarcasm, that is no problem to me. I will say though that many humans on this Earth have no standards today or even know what standards are, they think $ is standards; and, it is very easy to comment on people's work, but not so easy to produce original work. Have a nice day.



Edited by lance-b on Apr 27, 2019 - 05:03 PM.

I too know Pete Begle to be a reasonable man.

I second that. Very helpful and up front. He's helped me out several times when he didn't have to. But he's got a business to run, so his time and energy are valuable.

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1986 Nacra 5.7 "Belle"
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I thought we all kept on topic around here ? No, that was just a spiteful attack at me.

The bible says, 'Where a man invests his £ there his heart will be.' If you do trade with someone and the trade is pleasing to you then you will naturally have a good opinion of the seller. The most important thing in business is reputation: for the seller to go above and beyond simply the sale is 100% beneficial to the seller's long term profits as well as present happiness (everyone happy is always a happy thing). To judge the character of a person based on business financial transaction is absolutely blind stupidity, pure idiocy, and shows a pure idiot. Anyone is nice to you when money is involved. I told you the majority of the people on earth today do not know what standards are and that they think $ is standards. Idiots.

All of this began with 'his' first post, sent after he had concluded that $ from me was not possible; then he proceeded to assassinate my character in public. Read the post. After that, & his second post, he straight lied to me. If you want to know what a person is like, who they really are, then you will find that out when $ is not, and cannot, be involved - then you will see the true colours. 'He' is a proven spiteful liar - read the posts.

Any Man knows that his Word is his most valuable asset. But the majority of people on earth today hold $ to be their standard & standards, they cannot SEE the truth about what this 'issue' is about (a character assassination & being lied too) and yet still they post comments as if they did know. Their comments are based on $, and as such blind idiots they cannot see what is right infront of their eyes because they are blind with their value of $.

You are welcome for the blood spilled wisdom.

The man whose character was publicly assassinated and who was spitefully lied too is me. I am not interested in the opinions of others that are purely based on financial trade, I know truth. I have said, and it remains the truth, I do not see this matter being resolved over the Internet. I am no longer concerned to address the matter over the Internet, and the opinions of those who base their values in $ is of absolutely no regard to me. This topic is not about sycophantry, it is about Wooden Tornadoes. Wooden Tornadoes.



Edited by lance-b on Apr 28, 2019 - 05:55 PM.

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All of this began with 'his' first post, sent after he had concluded that $ from me was not possible; then he proceeded to assassinate my character in public.

A man who sells boats and boat parts does not have time to do 50 emails and no deal (you admitted things never came to fruition due to your own issues)

This is not character assassination - it is a warning to anyone else who may deal with you - and you have proven yourself to be unstable, and now threaten people on the forum (I will come and see you face to face, and we will see about whether your words are true. ..... I'll travel to the ends of the earth and back again and back again and back again and back again and back again and...to defend my honour, and my integrity.)

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After that, & his second post, he straight lied to me.

"Lance, my woody Tornado is sold and two others in our area (not wood) have been sold recently. So that activity is gone. Pete"

He lied? that he sold the boat from 2 years ago? how is this a lie?
no need to answer - no one really cares about what you are saying

we all know Pete. He has provided quality first hand advice on this site for a very long time. He has had many satisfied customers from this site - not 1 has ever said a bad thing about his dealings

I don't know him at all but I know his reputation as an honorable guy who doesn't pull "fast ones" on his clients


Lance - move on - you have damaged your character, not Pete



Edited by MN3 on Apr 29, 2019 - 08:37 AM.

Seems to me building a new woody would be a better long term solution than shipping an old one from over seas. Have you tried to pull some pricing on that?

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MN3, a clear attempt to bring me pain, and how long you toiled to do just that. How spiteful you are.

'Everyone' will see your mettle after I clear my name, seeing ass your the self appointed speaker for everyone



Edited by lance-b on Apr 29, 2019 - 03:41 PM.

That's a smart idea Bacho. Maybe Reg White could be persuaded to build a new one, I'll ask him. Thank you.



Edited by lance-b on Apr 29, 2019 - 03:46 PM.

I suspect building a boat isn't viable. The beams, rig and sails alone can set you back $10k+. What is your budget for the project? Why do you want a woody over a well built Marstrom, eXploder or Windrush Tornado? What do you currently sail? Do you have regular crew? Is a boat that requires a tilt trailer right for you or do you have convenient mast up storage?

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MN3, a clear attempt to bring me pain, and how long you toiled to do just that. How spiteful you are.

how long? well, i finally had enough of your name calling and threats to other members to chime in ...

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'Everyone' will see your mettle after I clear my name, seeing ass your the self appointed speaker for everyone

Good luck "clearing your name" -

If Mr. White will build me one it will be 100% viable. There is no price considerations to satisfy what someone wants.

I'm not only interested in a wooden Tornado. Thanks for your information.

MN3, you're the opposite side of righteousness, and therefore spiteful - it's your problem not mine - who are you to step into a man's offence ? I only hope you change for yourself and the world, butt not much chance of that.

I don't need luck. It is a clear case of defamation if I wanted to pursue legal redress, yet I don't.



Edited by lance-b on Apr 29, 2019 - 04:17 PM.

The more I think about that Bacho the more I like it. I'd have the most exclusive boat in the world, and it would last me my lifetime. What a brilliant idea. Well done Sir.

Infact Bacho, if Mr White builds me that Tornado and I post the proof, that will clear my name fully and save me a lot of time. You're a genius !

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I don't need luck. It is a clear case of defamation if I wanted to pursue legal redress, yet I don't.

def·a·ma·tion
noun
the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.

You have zero case of defamation: a seller warns others that despite 50 emails you never purchased - nothing defamatory there - just fact. And you have yourself admitted that YOU stopped communications that killed the deal "First, I apologise for abruptly ending our discussion 2 years ago, although to be fair I did have much more important issues to deal with."


PS Reg White Died 9 years ago... i don't think he will build you a cat

Good luck finding the boat that fits your needs



Edited by MN3 on Apr 29, 2019 - 04:35 PM.

It would have cost me more than $10k to come to, and arrange, things in America also, so it's now the much more cost effective way also. Problem solved Now let us hope Mr. White will build me a boat, although if he doesn't I am pretty sure he will know someone who will, or it's back to plan A.

A container from the U.S to the U.K is about $5k from the East Coast. Not practical for one boat.

There are plenty of used boat in Europe. Good luck with the search.

Listen MN3, it's a clear case of slander - or whatever else you want to call it - it's a direct, spiteful & unjustified public insult to me. I ain't bothered what the definition of any word is or of what anyone else's opinion is. I'm offended. I will satisfy myself, period.

Mr White may or may not be dead, I do not know, I do know though that the company he formed in the United Kingdom is still fully operational. It builds Nacra's, F18's, Sprints, Shadows, etc etc. It goes by the name of White Formula UK I believe, or near enough. I know this because I am in communication with Thom right now, a representative of the company.

It's indicative of your spite to use the death of a man to try and publicly humiliate a decent person. You'll need more than luck to change what you are.



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Listen MN3, it's a clear case of slander - or whatever else you want to call it - it's a direct, spiteful & unjustified public insult to me. I ain't bothered what the definition of any word is or of what anyone else's opinion is. I'm offended.

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It is a clear case of defamation if I wanted to pursue legal redress, yet I don't.

It's a clear case of you being offended
- it is not slander, defamation nor liable by ANY LEGAL definition
therefore you have nothing legally actionable nor redress

Reg white - 28 October 1935 – 27 May 2010
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Best of luck to you

I could snap you in two.

lance-b

I could snap you in two.

are you threatening me with physical violence?



Edited by MN3 on Apr 29, 2019 - 05:59 PM.

No. You Fool.

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I could snap you in two.

Must have a different meaning across the pond.

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Guys, this dude is just an obvious troll who is getting enjoyment out of this thread and yanking everyone's chains. Move along he's not worth the bandwidth, I'm going sailing.

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Wow, I should've saved some popcorn from when I saw the Avengers movie last night, Lol.
Wolfman is right, this guy is just a troll and gets off on disruption.
Lance-b, in your own words you say you will "satisfy yourself", so do us all a favor, get off this forum, and for the lack of a better verb, go "satisfy yourself" !!!

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1984 Hobie 16 Redline Yellow Nationals, "Yellow Fever"
Opelika, Al / Lake Martin
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So guys, you’re right, the dude needs attention. He doesn’t deserve mine, I bet neither yours.
I know you know what to do.

(I contradict myself, I know

This topic was created by me. I was insulted after a genuine and polite request. Since then I have received abuse from many which had no business in my topic or in my grievance. Those abusers would not get involved in anyone's grievance on the street so why get involved online ? Cuz they think they are safe and untouchable. There is a name for them. They should not have gotten involved.

Recieved abuse? Dude you basically called the people of this forum idiots, and you have been rambling on and on about being offended and being abused??? Look dude, I am sorry you had a bad experience and I hope you are able to find yourself a boat. The people on this forum are very helpful, very knowledgeable and as you see it can be a very tight knit community, not a good thing to go to any forum or any place at all and within a few posts or minutes of being there to start name calling, just saying.
So long, and good luck with your search.

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What are you getting involved for ? Mind your own business ! A close knit community ? You mean 'pack mentality' ! You don't see the offence cuz u don't want to take a stand for what is right ! Cuz u don't have the strength too, you might get turned on & u value belonging more than righteousness. I've not called the forum idiots at all ! You invent things to support your affirmation before the pack to belong.

Why am I still receiving comments about this ? Stay out of what is nothing to do with you. Simple.

The next time I post in this my own topic will be the first step of my justice, cuz I'm sick of answering characterless excuses for human beings.



Edited by lance-b on May 01, 2019 - 12:58 AM.

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Why am I still receiving comments about this ? Stay out of what is nothing to do with you. Simple.

Why:
Because you continue to be defensive and attack everyone's character
Because you went off on Pete for no good reason (he has every right to warn us of someone who used up a lot of his time and never purchased)
then called him a liar.
Then you called Sam a liar when he suggested you look for rides with other skippers.
Then you threatened Pete with never ever ever ever stopping until you meet him face to face and have justice
Then you attacked everyone who stood up to you

The way you have talked to this group has cause the reaction from this group.

"I've not called the forum idiots at all ! "

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"childish, had you any decency, outright rude and insulting. Shame on you, You're a weapons grade hypocrite. Now, you are lying.Keyboard Warrior. spite filled Keyboard Warriors which stand by liars. humans on this Earth have no standards, blind stupidity, pure idiocy, and shows a pure idiot.He' is a proven spiteful liar,  this 'issue' is about (a character assassination & being lied too) , heir comments are based on $, and as such blind idiots they cannot see what is right infront of their eyes because they are blind with their value of $., You are welcome for the blood spilled wisdom, The man whose character was publicly assassinated and who was spitefully lied too is me. I am not interested in the opinions of others, How spiteful you are, seeing ass your the self appointed speaker for everyone,you're the opposite side of righteousness, and therefore spiteful, who are you to step into a man's offence ? ,It is a clear case of defamation if I wanted to pursue legal redress, It's indicative of your spite to use the death of a man to try and publicly humiliate a decent person. You'll need more than luck to change what you are., I could snap you in two., You Fool,u don't want to take a stand for what is right ! Cuz u don't have the strength too, you might get turned on & u value belonging more than righteousness."

that is why several people have joined in to defend people on this forum whom have proven themselves to be valuable members of this community.

When you come here and start attacking members of this community - you make it our business

We stand up for each other - online and in person - not pack mentality - we don't look for people to bully - but we don't accept it either

Please move on and stop commenting ... and this thread will end

Again - good luck finding the boat you want - we really hope you find it because despite all that has been said here, we still want you to find your boat and enjoy it



Edited by MN3 on May 01, 2019 - 08:26 AM.

Just got home from overseas.
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS... (& girls)...
Have you never heard of the axiom about wrestling a pig, in the mud?
Have you noticed P Begles response to all this, as in, nothing, nada, Jack Schmitt.
I suggest we emulate him. Wolf man has the correct answer. There is NOTHING to be gained by replying. Just ignore this thread, completely.



Edited by Edchris177 on May 02, 2019 - 05:51 AM.

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lance-b

As things remain I have nothing further to write.Edited by lance-b on Apr 25, 2019 - 04:03 PM.

What a shame. You seem like a very courteous and stable buyer to work with.

lance-b

Mr. Mattson, thank you for your observation. Although I have a solution to my current absence of a woody I am very willing to consider other possibilities; to be honest, anything Tornado related I am really interested in right now, whether plastic boats or technical information, and my only limitation is good quality. Please feel free to post accordingly; the matter that my no further writing was referring to is an entirely different matter to my interest in Tornados. Kindest regards.

Note. If your post was sarcasm, that is no problem to me. I will say though that many humans on this Earth have no standards today or even know what standards are, they think $ is standards; and, it is very easy to comment on people's work, but not so easy to produce original work. Have a nice day.

It was definitely sarcasm. And if you have "nothing further to write" much more, you may fill the forum storage.

That was also sarcasm.

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