I have an 18ft prindle that I'm thinking about selling. I have absolutely no idea what a fair price for it would be. I was wondering if I describe it as best I can if someone can help me out a little.
The boat is an 82'. When I got the boat it it needed a trampolene and had a soft spot on top of one of the hulls. I ended up replacing the trampolene, all of the batton pockets on the main sails, new battons, had a sail maker look over the sail and he put only one small patch on the very top panel, new side stays and trapeze wires, I replaced all the lines, I fixed a couple of bad repairs by reglassing them and then ended up reglassing the keels and replacing the transoms (was way more then my original plan of just buying the thing and sailing it), and painted it and the cross beams.
Now for the bad. It has some delam on the tops of the hulls although after reglassing everything I think it is still strong. The paint on the ends of the cross beams has rubbed off from some dock rash. Other than that it hauls ass in a good wind and is a lot of fun. It also comes with a trailer with new hubs.
Thanks,
Wade
What is a fair price?
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Posted: Dec 10, 2009 - 09:37 PM
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Posted: Dec 11, 2009 - 07:52 AM
It is worth more if you part it out. No one wants a boat with soft hulls, they only get worse quite rapidly. It will take awile but you will get more money. P18 mast are hard to come by. -
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Posted: Dec 11, 2009 - 09:17 AM
agreed (unless you can find new hulls) its not worth to much. all your upgrades (new rigging, etc) are pretty much a good selling point but not really worth all that much. I always accept that as a "cost for use".
You may find a buyer for it as a "parts boat" but soft hulls will deter almost any knowledgeable buyer
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Posted: Dec 11, 2009 - 03:17 PM
It's worthless send it to me and I'll... cough..cough.. dispose of it for you.
Just kidding I bought my Prindle 18 2 years ago without know anywhere near enough about it. Got good hulls and descent sails no tramp. All blocks were there thank god cause I didn't even know what to look for.
I paid $800 talked down form $1000. I've probably easily put another $600 or more into it or supplies for using it. Depending condition, on where you are how close to the water and selling the right time of year you might could get $1200 to $2000 out of it. If your just looking for some quick cash then I would sell < or = to $1000 or so.
I would love a good supply of Prindle 18 parts but in this economy I can't afford to even buy the good deals I see around most of the time and this time of year unless some want's to make the boat a Christmas present people have other things to spend their money on.
You might make more parting it but if it's sailable even only for few more years I think you should keep it together I hate to see another one of these disappear they are great boats for those of us who can't afford the latest and greatest Nacras and Hobies. Nice for begginers with no daggers and relatively cheap to get parts for.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2009 - 04:51 PM
I paid $2000 for my 1982 P18 last year, probably a little much, but it was ready to sail (except a couple lines that were rotten). The hulls were rock solid and shined right up.
The trailer was ready to tow from Cleveland to Chicago, and it came with beach wheels. The Hobie 18s I had a chance to look at were also about $2000 and not nearly as well maintained.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2009 - 05:18 PM
I paid over $5000 for my Nacra 5.2 with trailer last year but... It had a new tramp, new sails and the hulls were filled and gelcoated with new graphics.
Knowing what I know now, I probably overpaid for it, but I'm darn happy with the boat. Unfortunately the market for used boats is very small and there are a lot of used boats out there. The fact that I can get a boat that retailed for over $16,000 brand new 5 years ago for under $4000 used right now boggles my mind.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2009 - 07:55 PM
what boat would that be D? -
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Posted: Dec 11, 2009 - 08:34 PM
OK maybe I exagerate but you can get a good 1990 Hobie 16 for less than $4000 used and you could buy a brand new one one for about $16000 right now and the used one won't be much different than the brand new one(i.e. boats don't wear out the way cars do).
But some examples (I admit the prices are a little higher than $4000, but I did say I exagerated and these are WICKED boats for the price):
The Cathouse is selling a 2003 F18 for under $6000.
There is a 2001 Mystere 4.3 in the want ads here for $3600.
Catsailor has a 2004 F18 for $7500
There is 2006 Hobie 16 for sale on the HobieCat.com for $6000.
2003 Hobie FX one for $7000 on sailboatlistings.com
Lots of 2001-2004 Hobie Waves in the $1000-$3000 range (not really fair because the boat costs under $10,000 brand new.
So say average of about $7000 for a post 2000 boat that you won't race. About $4000 for a post 1990 boat and less for anything pre 1990. And the fact that there are many pre 1985 boats still around that are in pretty darn good condition (you can't say the same about cars).
So for a 1982 P18 I would aim to get $2000 for it even with some soft hulls. If you can find a knowledgable buyer and aren't in a hurry you can likely get $1500+ for it.
edited by: Wolfman, Dec 11, 2009 - 07:38 PM
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Posted: Dec 11, 2009 - 10:56 PM
I paid 700 for my P18, put about 400 into it to make it sailable (needed a jib, a few lines, a sheave, and had to fix a transom), and another few hundred in little upgrades here and there. I sold it for 1250.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2009 - 07:35 AM
A new Hobie 16 is a little over $9,000 not $16,000, you are about $7000 off the mark
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Posted: Dec 12, 2009 - 01:03 PM
Really!? My local dealer quoted me $16,000.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2009 - 03:16 PM
I just called my local deal "Nautical Ventures" a Hobie dealer for 25 years. They quoted me $9599 with them putting it together, you can save about $400 if you put it together youself. I surely would not want to deal with your local Hobie dealer.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2009 - 07:26 PM
Here's one dealers price list.
http://www.theboathouse.b…oat_hobie_price_list.asp
I thought $16,000 sounded high. Which dealer was that? Is that in Canada?
Please fill out your profile.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2009 - 07:52 PM
Yep, in canada, filled out my profile. I got the quote almost a year ago. That did include a trailer. I don't think the exchange was that bad. The Hobie Dealer here is a pretty darn good guy so I don't think he was trying to do anything funny. It could be the shipping costs and 14% sales tax added on. He doesn't sell too many new 16s though because there are so many used ones around (most of them sitting in the bush because the resale value is so bad).
All that being said, I still think that ffbrass should try and get around $1500 for the Prindle 18.
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Posted: Dec 13, 2009 - 10:05 AM
1500 with soft hulls?
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Posted: Dec 13, 2009 - 10:44 AM
I am with Andrew, the hulls seem pretty worked over (transom, soft spot, delam) compared to P18s I have checked out (just a couple). The keels were reglassed? You mean the rudders? Why was it painted? How good are you at fiberglass work? Is the work obvious, or does it look factory?
It hurts me to see this thing taken it apart, but at any less than $1000, it starts to be worth it to part it out. The sails are repaired, trailer sounds healthy, mast, boom, tramp, mainsheet and blocks seems like $1000, maybe more.
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Posted: Dec 14, 2009 - 06:06 PM
I'm confident in my glass work. I don't do it professionally but I've done enough of it to know what I'm doing. All my glass work was finished out with a filler (colloidal-micro bubble blend) so it all blends in. As for repainting it, well since I had to sand the hulls down to do the glass work it needed to be be repainted. Also, the keels were re-glassed. The rudders are fine.
The only reason I started any glass work at all is because I had to wait three weeks for a new trampoline. I figured since I was having to wait for that I would go ahead work on the rest of it (I like to tinker). The keels did not necessarily have to be re-glassed but like I said I was waiting for the trampoline so I figured I'd knock them out and they shouldn't have to be done again. I glassed them with either 12 or 16oz biaxial stitched cloth, can't remember which weight off the top of my head. If you know fiberglass then you know that is structural cloth. I did the transoms because the previous owner used to lay the mast on the bar that connects the rudders. All that weight pulled the bottom rudder gudgeons out.
The delam on the tops of the hulls is from me walking out on them when I've taken the boat out. I know this because I heard it and felt it cracking. My opinion is that it can be fixed, others may not agree. The only thing I neglected to do was to put the factory tread pattern back on the tops of the hulls. It would have added to the time it took to finish and I wanted to take the boat out.
The only reason I'm thinking about selling it is I have a old chevy truck that I want to restore and the boat is taking up space since I don't have room for both. -
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Posted: Dec 14, 2009 - 10:26 PM
My P18 was soft on the tops of the bows in a few spots. Totally inconsequential. It went through 60mph winds...damaged or completely broke every line that wasn't new, ripped the clew out of a brand new jib. Hulls had no issues at all.
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Posted: Dec 15, 2009 - 09:48 AM
well there you have it. if the tops are sound then the boat is worth more.. probably close to 2k. if the tops are bad.. then its not worth much (as a whole boat).
If you part it out, you CAN make more money in the long run, but its a pItA. -
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Posted: Dec 15, 2009 - 10:59 AM
restoring old trucks is a thousand times harder than fixing the old cat. but you do end up with a working truck which would look totally cool pulling the restored p-18. so in conclusion, find a place to store the cat while you work on the truck, both will give you much pleasure(have checkbook ready). what year model chevy? i have restored my 59 panel van 3 times, the last frame off. the first resto was just cosmetic then a tornado put a pecan tree through the back doors-fast forward 3years, it looked great then after hurricane katrina, some mexican boys pulled out in front of me thus the latest greatest resto. i have thousands of hours in that truck and an undisclosed amounts of cash(wife will never know actual amount). i plan to do many things to the old p-16 this winter with total parts under500 bucks, total hours should be under 50. i can pimp that boat faster than i can prepare one door on the truck for paint, fun little project!! can't wait to hit the beach this summer with fresh gel coat right and tight looking good pulled by the styling 59 APACHE!! or just sell the boat and buy another cat this summer!
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