Prindle rudders
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Posted: Mar 29, 2010 - 11:22 PM
Anyone know how to rig the up and down pulleys on the rudder system. It does not seem to be in the manuel. -
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Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 05:38 PM
Well if Manuel doesn't know no one does.
It's so much easier to show than to tell and it's been a couple seasons since I've really had to look at it so i'd have to take a look at mine again before I tried to describe it.
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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
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1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 05:55 PM
Ill take some pics for you tonight. -
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 12:14 AM
I have a new (to me) Prindle 18. I'm so close to sailing it I could explode at any time. I think I understand how the rudders are tied in, but I (hope to soon) trailer everywhere...do you have to take everything apart each time you tow the boat? It looks like there's no positive way to keep the rudders off the pavement sooner or later but to untie, unbolt, and remove them each time. Is that right?
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 09:10 AM
I would take the rudders off when towing, even if they don't fall, they would vibrate and bounce, stressing the transom.
Will someone look at this and confirm I am not leading B24 astray?
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 09:16 AM
I should add my lines are kind of thick, and don't move past the tiller screw very well. It was also very difficult to get them onto the three pullies in the picture on the upper left.
Next time, I would get some thinner, low stretch line. Someone else can chime in on a line recommendation. The line here is 3/16" (5mm) that comes with the Saltydog Prindle 18 cord kit http://www.saltydogmarine…ath=421&products_id=3667.
Frankly replacing the rudder lines sucks, be patient, have a beer.
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 09:21 AM
I just noted Saltydog has increased their rudder line from 3/16" to 1/4" since last year when I bought mine. The Saltydog kit is a deal if you have to replace everything (like I did), but the line is not very fancy. Sta-set would be an upgrade. -
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 02:49 PM
I think your pics are right on the uphaul goes down and around so it can also pullup and and release the lock-down pin and the downhaul just goes down down around the bottom bolt as it only has to pull the locking pin into place.
I think you line is exactly the same as mine and I remember it taking a fair bit of finessing and cussing to get where I wanted it.
CAN I STRESS HERE!!
I have tried rigging these with a cheaper line.
DON'T DO IT
It needs to be high quality LOW stretch line.
I can't imagine a bigger line working don't know how they can go to 1/4. The holes are only so big.
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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
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1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 03:26 PM
There are a couple way you can handle rudders for trailering.
If you have some sort of rear mast rack or holder and you mast is not tied to rear beam like mine you could leave the crossbar and casting mounted and just remove the rudders. You can do this by removing the one bolt the rudders pivot on. give yourself enough slack in your ruddeer lines to allow you to push the knots out the holes and untie them. Be sure to retie a figure 8 stop knot after you remove the so you don't have to redo your rudder lines in the cast as that would really suck. Then reverse for putting them back on. I did this for a while but I didn't care for it.
Now I leave the entire assembly as one piece but with rudders raised as high as I can I remove the entire rudder pin on one side and pull the casting out. I fold that rudder in where it hinges at the crossbar so it is parallel with the rear beam. If you are careful it will be supported on the rear of the hull while you remove the pin on the other side and fold it in. Then I tie some line around middle wrap a canvas tarp around it and throw it in my catbox all as one piece.
I have also seen someone towing with rudders on but secured with a ratcheting tie down strap that went from the rear beam around the underside or the rudder and back up to the beam taking all the weight and holding it in the up position. This was kind of rudimentary buy looked like it would work and I figured if you cut the legs off an old pair of jeans and sewed the bottom shut and made them like a sleave the you slide onto the bottom of the rudders then have some strapping sewn into the top that you could use to secure it in a similar way it might work even better. I have yet to experiment with this but anything to make setup and take down quick is a plus to me.
edited by: Quarath, Mar 31, 2010 - 01:28 PM
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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
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1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 11:40 PM
I remove the entire rudder pin on one side and pull the casting out. [/quote]
I love this site--Thanks for the input , guys! Q; do you have some odd kind of cotter pin holding the rudder pivot pin in place? The one on my boat is a standard cotter key, and it looks like it would take a while to get it out.
BTW Q I looked at your profile...MAN do you have a clean lookin old boat! The 18 I have is in great shape, too. It's been in covered storage for a few years and not sailed too often before that I think. I took the sails to a sail loft for a once over, mainly because the jib zipper was frozen, but they called and said only a few stitches were needed and one jib batten was broke. $200.00 and I have almost new sails!
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 11:51 PM
I'm dragging the boat over to the house this weekend for me and a bud to do the sail hoist and rig tune thing. I think my rudder lines look just like the pics, but I'll sure check. Is Sta-set the line I should get to replace the junk thats on there? Anything better or is that plenty good? I dont need stainlesskevlarium, but I would like to know I'm good for a few seasons. Thanks in advance for all the help!
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Posted: Mar 31, 2010 - 11:54 PM
I leave mine on. Been doing it that way since '95.
First with my P18, then with my P19. But have
recently changed out my rudder system for the
N20 Gen 3 system. Will sail it for the first time
with the new rudders in a couple of weeks...got
to let the water temp get above 70f first ;)
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Posted: Apr 01, 2010 - 08:02 AM
Somewhere on this site people chat Dynema and other types of high tech line.
I tend to go with sta-set for halyards and sheets because it is easy on the hands, low stretch enough me, and not expensive. It would not be suitable for trampoline lines, batten ties, rudder pulls, and other cases where you want really thin and/or near zero stretch. Milwaukee Rigging has good prices on Sta-set.
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Posted: Apr 01, 2010 - 05:41 PM
I love this site--Thanks for the input , guys! Q; do you have some odd kind of cotter pin holding the rudder pivot pin in place? The one on my boat is a standard cotter key, and it looks like it would take a while to get it out.
BTW Q I looked at your profile...MAN do you have a clean lookin old boat! The 18 I have is in great shape, too. It's been in covered storage for a few years and not sailed too often before that I think. I took the sails to a sail loft for a once over, mainly because the jib zipper was frozen, but they called and said only a few stitches were needed and one jib batten was broke. $200.00 and I have almost new sails!
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I love this site--Thanks for the input , guys! Q; do you have some odd kind of cotter pin holding the rudder pivot pin in place? The one on my boat is a standard cotter key, and it looks like it would take a while to get it out.
BTW Q I looked at your profile...MAN do you have a clean lookin old boat! The 18 I have is in great shape, too. It's been in covered storage for a few years and not sailed too often before that I think. I took the sails to a sail loft for a once over, mainly because the jib zipper was frozen, but they called and said only a few stitches were needed and one jib batten was broke. $200.00 and I have almost new sails![/quote]
Currently I use
however when on the water I push pin all the way in to the large rounded end not just to the notch. When I have the rudder assembly off I put the pins back in the stern mounts upside down so the permanent ring on the hinge pins is on the top so it can't accidentally fall out on the road. I then use the above pin in the bottom.
I would like to try
instead.
On my profile if you are referring the picture of the P18 side view.
That's not really my boat it's kgatesman's. However mine could be it's twin so I photshopped him out of the picture lol.
edited by: Quarath, Apr 01, 2010 - 03:48 PM
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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
Member: Utah Sailing Association
1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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Posted: Apr 01, 2010 - 07:00 PM
I don't mind, the boat is very lovely, even with out me. The sails went to Sailcare for cleaning, re-resining and repairs over the winter, they look even better now.
Since last year I have repaired or replaced all the wearing parts. It is nice as a 28 year old boat with original sails, hulls and crossbars can be.
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Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 12:37 PM
How much did that cost I really need to get that done to mine
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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
Member: Utah Sailing Association
1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
Check out "Prindle Sailors" on Facebook.
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Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 04:28 PM
Cleaning and re-resining was $150.
The zipper was only $50!
I had a lot of repair work done too, popped stitches, shroud chafe, I think they charged $40 an hour for this work.
I can't rave about Sailcare enough, the colors look spectacular, and the sails look like they are a couple years old, not 28.
It takes a long time though, call and find out how long before you send them in. I sent mine in in December and got them back in February, but that is their busy season too.
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Posted: Apr 04, 2010 - 01:26 AM
Thanks everyone so much for your help. -
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Posted: Apr 06, 2010 - 04:38 PM
Thanks a Bunch I may have to look into this after this season is done.
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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
Member: Utah Sailing Association
1982 Prindle 18
1986 Hobie 17
1982 Prindle 16
1980 Prindle 16(mostly)
1976 Prindle 16(mostly)
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Posted: Apr 06, 2010 - 05:01 PM
I have a set of Prindle 16 rudders that have a lot of play. The casting has widened, or flared out, I guess from abuse. Now the rudders can wiggle from side to side. I want to bend the casting back to its original shape but I'm afraid to do that for fear of breaking them. Does anybody have any suggestions about how to fix this?
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