boat and sail look great! nice job wolfman...makes you feel good don't it?
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 07:46 PM
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 09:11 PM
Thanks!
My only regret is not getting a jib made also, I will do so this fall (sunk over $2000 into the boat this year already). Didn't realize how nice Chip's sails are! Super stiff 5 oz Dacron and bolt rope, his seams are top notch also!! Believe me, I have another sail that is almost brand new with loose stitching in places, so I'm super stoked about Whirlwind's workmanship. I'm hooked for life.
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Dave Bonin
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 09:36 PM
i've been carousing around his site and heard much good feedback on his work. i can see myself with a fresh set big time! just wondering how long before the dang oil stinks up my spot...been lucky so far but i think i'll wait to see how it pans out, i would be bummed if i got a new set and couldn't sail...would be nice!
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 09:43 PM
This isn't almost pitching, or coming close and then having a wave to stuff it in. If I move my mast forward even a notch I can, will, and have, most definitely pitchpoled the crap out of it.
Last time I landed about 20 feet past the mast. The time before I was trapped and the crew wasn't and she started screaming when I flew over her head. Time before my crew went flying and I hit the mast. It happens.
The faster it goes the more the friction works against the hulls and the sails outrun them. On a reach, I start trapped with my feet by the main beam and at speed am straddling the rear beam.
I have a buddy with a 5.2 that hasn't had as much issue as me, and I think he's actually a notch forward of me, and I don't know exactly where the difference lies, but I know how mine works. Some lessons are easy to learn.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 10:14 PM
Yeah, as you can tell Chip made a walking billboard out of me. :) Good luck on the oil, I hope it doesn't get to you! I suspect BP isn't going to be a viable company much longer, hopefully they don't go under before they clean up thier mess.
Rob, sounds to me like you are sailing it like you stole it!! :)
I haven't pitchpoled my N5.2 yet and I have buried the bows pretty badly. One of the reasons for wanting a Nacra was that it was way more resistant to pitching than the Hobies. I suspect however that I do sit farther back than you should for good balance and speed. I also haven't had it in high winds and had the balls to have it completely cranked. I guess every boat has a personality and you have to deal with it. Could it possibly be that your hulls are toed in on the front beam?
D.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 10:50 PM
chip was fantastic to work with when i was looking for new jibs.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 11:03 PM
That is my buddies dog Flint. He jumped off the dock during my first sail where that picture was taken and followed us into the middle fo the lake. Also the first time I did a man (er dog) overboard drill.
He's a border collie/labrador cross. He is much better travelled than me, he spent a year in South Africa with his owner and toured Mozambique and Namibia. He even has his own facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=1054445418&v=wall
I actually have 3 Samoyeds (white fluffy sled dogs) that I cross country ski with in the winter.
edited by: Wolfman, Jun 14, 2010 - 10:05 PM
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 11:08 PM
Actually there might be something to that. I just redid the beam straps and put some effort into making the hulls as straight as possible. An owner prior to me had shimmed the hulls 1/4" on each side at the main beam, which toed the hulls out a touch. I don't know why, and I don't know if it helped or hurt, but I took the shims out.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2010 - 12:28 AM
I buried the leeward bow today almost to the beam and hardly slowed down...whole new experience to me. I was using my square top which has a COE much more aft. I'm thinking of raking forward a notch and trying it out.
My problem before may have been tied to the original main (or my inability to sail it.)
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Posted: Jul 17, 2010 - 10:56 AM
I was out in 20 kts (real 20, recorded by nearby airport)the other day, & had two friends out on the wire. I told the front guy to experiment with moving back & forth, & see if the balance changed speed.
He took my advice a little to far & moved way forward of the beam. With one hull in the air, the other went under, right up to the beam. There was solid water shooting up from the front of the beam, but it didn't seem as if the stern was going to come up. I was amazed that at that speed & the front 6' of the lee hull submerged we just kept smoking along, though speed did drop.
We did crash shortly after, but that was cause i wasn't quick enough on the sheet or tiller in a big gust, I think we were screwing with mast rotation. The crew ended up on the mast & sail & we turtled the damn thing.
Once they got off, & we stood on the sterns the mast popped mostly to the surface, then two of us righted it with the line.
It's kind of fun being on the edge of losing it, as long as you have the manpower to right it again.
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Posted: Jul 17, 2010 - 07:12 PM
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Posted: Jul 17, 2010 - 08:04 PM
Have a similar story that happened to me 2 springs ago. I was helping a buddy clean/rig a Hobie 16 for the beginning of the season. It was an old, heavy '82 boat that I probably should have checked myself a little more thoroughly. Well, it turned out the wind was great that day, must have been doing a steady 15 knots. Sure enough, we decided to go sailing and 20 minutes into a great sail, the leeward hull snaps just foward of the front pylon. Fortunately, we were close to shore and neither of us got too friendly with the standing rigging. Good news was I got a case of beer out of the ordeal
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 - 01:15 AM
Wow Erice, I did exactly that with my brother last weekend. I thought for sure I would have stuffed it, makes me happy I bought the boat I did. There is nothing quite like riding the boat to the very edge and then going beyond what you thought it could do. I am certainly learning how far you can push it and that Nacra constantly suprises me about much hull you can push into the water without flipping it!
Yellowhulls, Glad to hear you didn't hurt yourself when it broke! I'm pretty sure I have my 1981 in tiptop shape but after the first sail this season I'm always a little scared when I hear something creak or crack. And I'm constantly checking all my connections even after replacing all the rigging, you never know when something is going to give it up and I certainly wouldn't want to recieve a mast to the noggin!
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Posted: Jul 19, 2010 - 01:00 AM
Heh, I sailed with them today. The guy who owned that 5.2 has since upgraded to a I20.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2010 - 09:41 AM
yes, it obviously wasn't quick enough for him
do you call him "lucky dog"?
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