Hello all, I am getting back into sailing and have a couple questions.
Long story short, I got a great deal from a friend's dad on a 2000 Nacra 5.0 with trailer. Decent condition, and no question I am buying it, but one of the hulls did have some damaged and was patched. See pic here, front of the bow, and upper right.
http://img189.imageshack.us/f/nacra1.jpg/
Over the winter I am planning on tearing this thing down, sanding the hull patches down, redoing the hulls with better resin, sanding and repainting. My first question is how are these to work on? And what I mean by that is what is the hull material, and is it easy to work on?
Second, I grew up sailing a 70s 18f hobie on lake michigan. It was lots of fun, but some of the draw backs where it was heavy making it not fun to pull up and down the beach, and when it was capsize even with 2 people it was nasty to get back over.
How will this Nacra 5.0 compare in performance? From some of the reading I've done it should be fairly easy to sail solo? It's going to be sailed mostly on a 1300 acre lake, with small waves and gusty winds.
Thanks for the input!
edited by: Indyxc, Sep 02, 2010 - 07:33 AM
Nacra 5.0 Questions
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Posted: Sep 02, 2010 - 09:41 AM
should be MUCH lighter and easier to sail solo than a h18
but a little slower and a little more delicate...
for righting, how heavy are you?
hulls for a 2000 boat should be foam sandwich, same as the h18
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Posted: Sep 02, 2010 - 09:54 AM
check your hull VIN#. I'm wondering if that is a model year 2000 ? ?
Do you have a name?
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Posted: Sep 02, 2010 - 10:40 AM
In several ways. Working on the hulls is pretty simple using the West Systems Epoxy for repairing damage the tricky part IMHO is gelcoat difficulty varies depending on the repair size. If its a small area the preval sprayer works pretty good but you have to thin it out allot to get a good spray then you will still have some orange peel but after wetsanding it will look good!
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Posted: Sep 02, 2010 - 12:03 PM
Hey guys, my name is Peter. Thanks for the info.
I'm about 180 lbs, 5'11". I'll probably be sailing 2 up with the gf, who is about 120 lbs, or someone heavier.
I'm suprised to hear the 5.0 is slower than the H18. The h 18 we had was fast, but would not fly a hull. Even with two people (320 lbs or so), it would lift one hull and then bury the other, and then slow down due to the drag, and then drop back into the water.
On a windy day on lake michigan it was plain nasty to right even with 2 people. The mast would have a tendancy to point downwind making the trap act like a sail into the wind! Was certainly a pain.
I'll be sailing this thing on a small lake, so that shouldn't be much of an issue.
As far as the year, I'm not 100% sure yet. I knew where the owner kept it and went to look at it. He said it was circa 2000 so could be older. Either way, for the price, i'm taking it. :)
For working on the hulls. I actually already have the West Systems Expoxy and the fast hardner. Can I patch it up with that, sand it, then take it a paint shop to respray/ gel coat the hulls? Are these gel coats hulls or just paint?
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Posted: Sep 02, 2010 - 07:14 PM
i say the speed of the 5.0 will be a little slower than the h18 due to the published handicaps
from memory the h18 has the same handicap as my nacra5.2
and both the nacra 5.2 and the h18 have longer hulls, more sail area and center-boards
all are important for getting around a race course quickly
but you could quite easily find that a 5.0 sailed solo in light lake winds will be faster than an h18 2-up
the nacra 5.0 comes very highly recommended and nacra still basically make it as the nacra 500
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Posted: Sep 03, 2010 - 11:13 AM
The 5.0 is a really great boat and will not be any slower than a 5.2 or H18 given the correct conditions. The 5.0 will not point as high as either boat but it is just as fast off the wind. I had a 5.0 and sold it and bought a 5.2 expecting a big difference....Ends up that the 5.2 never reached the speeds my 5.0 did on the gps. The 5.0 is a fast boat in the right hands. -
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Posted: Sep 03, 2010 - 11:59 AM
The nice thing about the 5.0, having recently bought one, is that it is fast as TurboCat says (I just need to work on getting the speed out of it), it's light for hauling up and down the beach and it's simple to sail (no daggers, booms etc).
I can take out my wife and 7 yr old to just cruise around, just me and the 7 yr old if things get fun...and solo when I want to. Also, as I have learned and heard on this forum the hull volume is great if you don't have your weight properly distributed fore and aft - it's forgiving.
I bought mine in May/June and can't stop sailing it at every opp - been bitten by the bug.
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Posted: Sep 03, 2010 - 12:41 PM
Yes you can use that but you might want to get the slow hardner and some filler for deep gouges and scratches. The boat was gelcoat origallly but people do paint them the guy TurboCat painted his 5.2 and it looked good he could probably give you some great pointers he loved his 5.0 he still talks about getting another one.
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Posted: Sep 05, 2010 - 12:32 PM
I have a 5.7, the larger brother of the 5.0. I weigh 170 lb & solo it more often than not. Solo is a bit of a handicap because I can't hold it down once the wind gets up past 15 mph. In those case I have to power down, &/or point more, as opposed to full reaches.
I have dumped mine 5 times. With two people & a line, righting is a couple of minutes. I have righted it 3 times solo. Twice I used the aid of a bag, once just myself,(on a windy day) It is very easy to swim the mast around into the wind. With 15-20 mph I righted it solo by just hiking out on the line.
This is my first cat, so I can't compare it directly to others, but I like it a lot.
You can determine your model year by the hull number.
It will look something like this, mine is an '84.
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 11:26 AM
Thank you everyone for their input.
I paid for the boat yesterday and it is mine! It actually turned out to be a lot older than the owner thought, but again for the price, it's still a great deal. Looked at the sails,and they are the orignal Narca 5.0 sails in very good condition.
Hardware on the boat is also in good shape, except over the last couple weeks, someone stole one of the Harken ratchening jib blocks. I looked online, and found this:
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=51659&BASE
That's freaking expensive! Are there any other brands that I can use that are cheaper! $320 for 2 new blocks is a lot!
Worse off I want to find one locally so I can sail this weekend! Does west marine stock these in store?
Thanks
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 11:42 AM
Yep that is what they cost! It's the ratchet mechanicsm that does it, and you really need it. You can rig it uni (just the main) and get out, but tacking will be more difficult.
I have a spare pair that I was saving for an emergency. I could probably sell you one of those for $60 but I wouldn't have access to it until this weekend and it would take 2-3 weeks to ship from Canada at a reasonable cost (I could ship it quicker but for the cost you would be better off buying the new ones). If you are interested PM me.
Are you in the Great Lakes area?
Regards,
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 12:55 PM
you can look in the classified section of this site, and ebay as well.
west marine may have it, but not likely as it is a pretty cat specific part.
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 01:15 PM
You can get if from anyone who is a Harken dealer, which is just about everyone. The part was common across a lot of different boats in the classic line. I would call Harken, ask for Jim or one of the small boat guys and they should fix you right up. Or upgrade to the new Carbo line, which has a better angle range, which was a drawback to the classic blocks. If I had to order new, I would get the new carbo series ratchamatics.
O.K. Andrew, I know your just chompin' at the bit for somebody to ask, so . . . I'll bite. Why the user name change? MN3??
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 01:33 PM
Ronstan gear is usually a bit cheaper, and a bit stronger.
they do have blocks that would work here, but i think they now use a dyneema line vs a metal shackle to attach. there are also the old Seaway brand from hobies (crap.. dont buy em) -
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 02:16 PM
If you are going with Ronstan gear ideally you would want the 55 mm orbit blocks like thers http://www.apsltd.com/p-9…-single-w-bkt-cleat.aspx they go for about $125.
You MAY get away with a 40 mm orbit block though such as these http://www.apsltd.com/p-9…ingle-wbecket-cleat.aspx they go for about $95. I don't THINK that the working load on those blocks would reach more than 385 lbs (the safe working load) but I am not sure. I am pretty darn sure that they would never experience the breaking load of 1100 lbs for those blocks.
Either way you would have to add some kind of swivel to the setup, http://www.apsltd.com/p-8…vel-shackle-316-pin.aspx
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 11:03 PM
It sounds like you are not sailing htis season, the boat is a winter project?
If that is the case I would email Dan Berger on this site & ask him if he has a set of blocks. Or send Wolfman 60 clams & buy his. They do come up for sale on this site in the classifieds.
You want the ratcheting system, & over the winter you should be able to source a good deal on a used set.
And, yeah, Andrew, spill the beans, what's up with MN3?
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Posted: Sep 10, 2010 - 10:54 AM
Hey guys,
I am in the great lakes region, SE Michigan, but will be sailing mostly on Cass Lake, which is about 1300 acres.
I will be sailing this season, and doing most of the work over the winter, but do want to get it up and running as is.
I ended up going to a local sail shop, and the had a similiar block but it was the newer rachomatic type with the load sensing ratching system. I need ONE of this weekend, so I bought it, and will just get a replacement matching one over the winter vai ebay.
Anyway, are these rachomatic ones, seen here:
http://shop.torresen.com/ships_store/index.php?p=details&mfc=Harken&sku=2628&frm=g
Are these worth it over the standard one way rachet for the jib?
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Posted: Sep 10, 2010 - 12:04 PM
Does anyone have the Harken non ratchomatic version of this? The Harken 2628 is the rachomatic, is the 2616 the same thing, but with an on/off ratching option only?
Thanks!
http://shop.torresen.com/ships_store/index.php?p=details&mfc=Harken&sku=2616&frm=g
Is it that one, or this one? Harken 186 I have a feeling these come in 3 flavors. Ratchomatic, on/off ratchet, no rachet.
http://shop.torresen.com/ships_store/index.php?p=details&ident=175065&mfc=Harken&sku=186&prod_name=Harken+2.25+Single+Block+with+Adjustable+Cam+Cleat+%26+Becket§ionid=5040
