i just purchased my first catamaran (Prindle 16) and the it came with a brand new mesh tramp that i had to install. Took the boat out for the first time this weekend (what a blast) and noticed my knees and elbows were getting sore from the tramp. Questions are:
1)it appears the tramp has a fairly coarse mesh. Do they make different materials, some being more comfortable than others?
2)Any chance this will soften over time?
thanks
Todd
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Posted: Sep 07, 2010 - 04:50 PM
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Posted: Sep 07, 2010 - 05:04 PM
what ends up happening is your knees and elbows toughen up, kida like playing a guitar(calisus form). watch out for kneeling on lines(main/jib/travelor/tramp lacing) on the tramp, it can be like a meat grinder.
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Posted: Sep 07, 2010 - 05:15 PM
there are vinyl tramps
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Posted: Sep 07, 2010 - 05:59 PM
Everyone I sail with agrees that the mesh is more gentle on
the knees than vinyl. I personally like the vinyl because it
keeps you drier especially now as the water is starting to get cold. Anyone know if a vinyl tramp is available for the
P16?
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Posted: Sep 07, 2010 - 06:05 PM
May I suggest knee pads, unless you have a problem with a candy striped tan.
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Posted: Sep 07, 2010 - 06:09 PM
i am sure you can get one made from an after market tramp maker. i prefer mesh as it lets water drip back.. and not puddle. also i believe it makes righting easier as the wind isn't pushing the boat down with the tramp... (as much)...
Many people wear knee (and some elbow) guards when sailing for that exact reason. not a bad idea. another method is to make sure you don't drag any open body part on the tramp as you move.. takes practice but very possible...
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Posted: Sep 07, 2010 - 06:50 PM
If you wear knee pads, I think most class rules says that you have to have a hobie bob also.
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Posted: Sep 07, 2010 - 08:10 PM
Yeah tramps will abrade your knees (and elbows). Generally there are lots of things on the boat that can potentially hurt. I usually wear a long sleeve rash guard on top and shorts and knee pads on the bottom and water shoes. Wet suit pants are better for keeping the boat from 'biting' you but if its hot they are not much fun.
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say whatttt? -
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Posted: Sep 08, 2010 - 03:46 PM
i think he is saying knee pads a floats are for sissys
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Posted: Sep 08, 2010 - 03:50 PM
Yes he is. But the truth is that there is no rule that says you have to use the hobie bob. Instead they make you use sails with that ugly red/yellow/turquoise pattern that is stock on the wave and getaway. Seriously could they have gotten anymore 80s with it?
D.
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Posted: Sep 08, 2010 - 04:06 PM
I don't find the tramp itself too bad, or the lacing, (I used Amsteel Dyneema, strong soft & slippery)it is the stitching around the edges of the tramp that are meat grinders. I just try not to slide around that area, but have a few abrasions to show for it.
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Posted: Sep 08, 2010 - 08:09 PM
the first week after getting my boat on the water, i had carpet burns wilt chamberlin would be proud of...after the bloody stumps healed over, no more problems! try not to kneel on the lines!
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 05:42 PM
I have yet to come back from a sailing weekend without a myriad of bruises most of which I don't even remember getting.
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Posted: Sep 09, 2010 - 11:14 PM
I got up to the cottage today after blowing the best part of a week with the family in San Francisco,(they set a record for heat, 33C as we biked from pier 39 to Sausalito, Muir Woods & on to Tiburon, but their water would make our Eskimos hypothermic)& moving kids back to university.
The wind was 15, gusting to nearly 30, I went out with just the main, as some jib stuff is at the sail loft. You just can't make the speed minus the jib, so I started screwing around to see how fast I could tack & gybe. By the end of the hour I had two black marks on my wrist when I wasn't quick enough while gybing in 20+.
The only reason my knees were still intact was I wussed out & put on a wetsuit as it was overcast & cool. My wife was having none of it..."go enjoy the beating you will take, I'll have the wine opened & the jacuzzi full when you return."
It just isn't as much fun unless you are on the edge of swimming!
edited by: Edchris177, Sep 09, 2010 - 10:17 PM
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Posted: Sep 10, 2010 - 12:12 AM
seriously?
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Posted: Sep 10, 2010 - 03:04 PM
The first day there it got to 28 ish, the next day was a high of 33C. That beat the old record of 32. The next day it was down to 19, & you couldn't see one iota of the bridge, the fog was rolling in below the trees.
I used to layover in Frisco quite a bit when i flew domestic,(we consider the States as part of the domestic network). I remember temps never getting above 20-25 ish & quite a bit of fog off the ocean. San Diego, only a hop as the crow flies was a totally different climate.
I was told the water under the GG bridge is around 45F, & the Bay stays a constant 54F, that is bloody cold, even for someone who spent 10 years in the high Arctic.
There were a few people with wetsuits swimming laps in the park just in front of Gharedelli (sp?)chocolate, next to the Presidio. Outside the breakwall the waves were 3' and solid whitecaps. There were a few lead sleds heeled over, & 2 kiteboarders ripping it up.
Ahhh forgot you guys work in that antiquated farenheit scale. We get the aviation reports in celcius, but I think all your public weather is still F
33C= 92F
edited by: Edchris177, Sep 10, 2010 - 02:05 PM
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