Thanks guys,am working on a solo mast step setup for my P18, will post pics in tech help gallery for future reference. If anyone is interested, Action Sailcraft & Marine out of Andover, KS are selling the Harken hi-load furler & swivel for $235. Dustin, I know you were looking for one depending on price.
Give them a call at 1-800-799-SAIL
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Posted: Oct 06, 2010 - 06:34 AM
Or buy it here for $205. ($221 is the lowest price Harken allows vendors to advertise, click on "ADD TO CART" & you will get it for $205)
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|77896|299748|750993&id=1015158
or here for $221
http://www.mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?
http://www.apsltd.com/c-1070-smallboatfurlingsystems.aspx
I think Andrew has the top swivel for $50, then just buy the drum for $137, total cost $187.
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Posted: Oct 06, 2010 - 04:45 PM
That current Sale price on your first link now shows $189 in cart
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Thanks EC, but... (see next response)
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Posted: Oct 09, 2010 - 10:07 PM
I have been messing with the rudder setup on my P18, what a load of cr*p, this has got to be the worst rudder setup ever. I replaced all rudder sheaves, both upper and lower, replaced rudder lines, got everything working sweet, the only irritation is that each blade is swolen where the up-haul line attaches to the blade, will have to fill that with epoxy.
I stepped back to admire my handiwork only to realize how do I trailer this cat with these rudders. It would take way too long to remove and setup rudders each time I go sailing and you can't trailer this cat with the rudders on. I'm going to have to re-think this one, any suggestions?
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Posted: Oct 09, 2010 - 11:53 PM
Turbo, I only own a Nacra 5.7, so I may be so full of it that my eyes should be brown, but...
Does the entire rudder assembly attach via a long pin+ 2 ring dings to hold the pins?
Is it possible to pull the pins & leave the entire rudder assembly intact?
If this is a retarded idea, sorry,my brain is addled & soaked with German beer,(it ids the Canadian Thanksgiving). I hooked my small (120 lb) wife to the wire & went out for the first time in 50 clicks, (30mph) today.
The good news is the wind was from the NW, short fetch, smooth seas.
The bad news is the wind was from the NW, gusty as he.l.l. over the hills, we never dumped, but what a wild ride, I don't think I've ever seen rooster tails that big, especially with my jerry rigged traveler as I'm waiting for MUMMP to dispense with all the naked chicks that flock to his Nacra & look at his pile of old cleats.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2010 - 12:14 AM
Ed, the rudder blade on the Prindles is held by a single bolt with lock-nut, but if you look at the pics at http://www.thebeachcats.c…ictures&g2_itemId=72612, you will see that both the up-haul line (on a 2:1 pulley) and the down-haul line are attached to the blade.
I see where you are going with your thought process, I was thinking along similar lines, just do away with the up/down haul lines and use use a quick-release pin in place of that bolt to quickly detach rudder blade. I like this idea for holding the blade up http://www.thebeachcats.c…pictures&g2_itemId=67186
, but I would use a rubber stopper on the pin to protect the blade.
I would not use the pin like this http://www.thebeachcats.c…pictures&g2_itemId=67190 to lock the blade down, imagine hitting an obstruction at speed.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2010 - 12:20 AM
I trailer my p-16 w/rudders attached,I only drive 10 miles to lake on nice smooth road so your situation could be different.raise your rudders all the way up.take a couple of 4 foot piece of 3/8 rope"one for each side" wrap rope around rudder casting. between top of hull&bottom of rudder control arm then arround the back under the rudder snug against casting below lock down bolt.make 2or 3 passes tie off & release rudder so it pinches rope & supports the rudder do this to both sides then center them up& tie tiller stick to where you knot your traveler sheet.I also extend tiller stick up the center of tramp to where my trapeze bungee cord comes thru tramp&secure there as well.
this seems to work really well for me. a picture would clarify above paragraph but my girl has camera for the weekend so i can post pics of my set up later if you want
there are other ways as well some guys have a support that attaches tomast & cradles rudders in the up possition.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2010 - 12:34 AM
Thanks for the input Bill, appreciate it, I had a similar idea in mind,constructing a stopper for the blades, problem is that I have to drive 60-90 min to nearest lakes, 3 hr drive to really good one. Am what is termed a trailer sailor because of the huge distances to trailer cat to nearest body of water, can't have that kind of stress on the gudgeons.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2010 - 01:19 AM
Turbo, what about removing the entire casting, with the blade still attached, along with the cross tie bar?
Maybe this doesn't work with the Prindle?
Here is my 5.7, I removed the entire assembly as one piece when I bought it, for the trailer home. Both rudders & cross tie are a bit awkward for one, but with a 19' I assume you have a pal, that makes it easy.
Can you pull the mounting pin that goes through the gudgeons? I wouldn't want to pull the bolt through the blade unless I had to. That entails the lines & roller pin.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2010 - 11:02 AM
Ed, had already thought of that one, problem is, the Prindle rudder setup is so complicated it would take too long to re-install rudders solo.
Bill (nitrodub) mentioned something though, a cradle or sling that would loop over the mast, effectively capturing the rudders for trailering, will look into that, thanks nitro.
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Posted: Oct 10, 2010 - 04:06 PM
i use nitrodubs method...i drive 70 miles each way to the coast withmy p-16
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here is how i secure the mast/tiller crossbar...
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Posted: Oct 10, 2010 - 04:24 PM
here is how i deal with the rigging/jib sheetnote forestay pinned to mast base
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Posted: Oct 10, 2010 - 05:42 PM
Thanks for the pics coastrat, appreciate the time spent posting those up on the website, I like that mast holder.
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the mast holder came with the boat, it's a sweet tool...the boat came with a set of cattrax too...thank you previous owners!
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, green with envy......
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Posted: Oct 11, 2010 - 01:57 PM
I simply remove the long rudders pins the connect them to the hulls like said above and remove the entire rudder setup as one piece. I loosen the the rope keeping the rudder up just bit so the rudders can fold parallel to each other tie a line around em and toss em in the catbox. I can remove or install them in less than 5 minutes even by myself. It really is not that hard. My wife has even beaten me to the last couple times doing by herself or with one of sons. It really is quite easy and not that time consuming at all one you have done it a couple times.
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