Which boat would be better?
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Posted: Oct 22, 2010 - 10:08 PM
I am looking for a boat that I could sail solo or with 1 other person and need some help. I know where a 1996 H16 in good shape that could be for $1750 or I know where a 1982 Nacra 5.7 (which I like cause no boom) which I could get for $700 but that may be too much boat for me by myself to right and crew alone. Any other boats that I should consider? I like the H16 but I don't like their pitch tendencies. -
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Posted: Oct 22, 2010 - 11:07 PM
H16's aren't that bad Pitch pole wise...
High wind's on the other hand, That boat will Pitch pole in a second...
Have you looked into a Prindle 16 or a Prindle 19?
The Prindle's can be $500-$1500.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2010 - 11:44 PM
Depends on the condition more than anything really. I sail a Nacra 5.2 and love it and also sailed an H16 when I was younger and experiencd te pichpole problems that you speak of. There are some add on foils you can get but when the wind picks up you will still be trapping off of the back of the hull.
As lots of people already know the 5.7 is probably my all time favorite boat. No boards, no boom, well behaved and actually easier to right than the H16. It also has lots of floatation in the front of the hulls so you can ride them pretty deep without pitchpoling.
The H16 has the advantage of being a simpler rig and there are LOTS of spare parts avalable. They are certainly a lot of fun and easy to sail.
In the end, when it comes to older boats condition is probably the most important factor, but I would definitely consider the boardless Nacras (5.0, 5.7) and any of the Prindles. I would be more inclined to look at those boats over an H16 if they are available but I don't think you can go wrong with any of the boats mentioned if they are in good shape.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 12:24 AM
averdunn if you don't want the nacra call me, I will buy it.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 12:38 AM
1996 is a really new Hobie 16, $1750 sounds like a deal.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 08:34 AM
A 1996 Hobie should retail between $3,000 to $3,500 without a trailer. I would check to make sure that the boat is actually a 1996 and if so and if it is in good condition, buy it fast. -
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 12:36 PM
I don't know what your sailing experience and comfort level is, but in most conditions the H16 is not going to pitch pole on you. You have to be pushing it hard before it pitchpoles, easier to do with heavy crew, but it isn't like the boat is going to just jump up and pitch pole on you. And you can make any cat pitch pole, so don't let the reputation scare you away. We managed to pitchpole a SC20 once, and they have huge front hull volume. But we were pushing it hard with 2 on the wire and two on the hull, flying a hull and hit a big wake.
Both boats sound like a great deal if they are in good shape. Get one and enjoy it. The H16 will be easier to setup and sail, but the 5.7 may be faster and more technical. It probably depends on what you are looking for.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 05:57 PM
Well it turns out the 5.7 is indeed a 5.2. The guy doesnt know what he has, I tried to tell him 5.7's were boardless and boomless but he still said its a 5.7. -
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 07:26 PM
What does it say on the sail? Most 5.7's I've seen have that right on the main.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 09:32 PM
It's not the factory sail. Probably still not a bad buy but I am going try and look at the H16 since its a good deal. If I buy it and dont like it I can always get my money back. -
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 09:33 PM
An original sail on an 80's era 5.7 should look like this, they will be Skip Elliot sail. Click on photo to see full size.Copy th photo & past to your phot viewer, you can blow it up & see the 5.7 layout, clean tramp, no lines at all.
Edited by Edchris177 on Oct 23, 2010 - 07:40 PM.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 09:51 PM
Yeah this one has lines on the tramp and a bar running down the center. -
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 10:04 PM
Hey Jeremy nevermind I have one of those.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 10:05 PM
Bar down the center sounds like a 5.2
If you want a boomless boat the 5.7 is a good choice. I only weigh 170 & solo mine quite a bit. If the Gods smile I can right it solo, usually I need a 10-20 lbs of water in a bag. If you are heavier they really rock. With only my 120 lb wife or daughter on the wire, I can sit on the hull, bracing a foot against the cleat for the traveler line & fly a high speed hull across the bay. You can also put 4-5 people on them and still make pretty good time. I have buried both hulls up to the main beam & never pitched it.
The clean tramp is good for carrying inexperienced people, & makes a great picnic platform for cruising sails.
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Posted: Oct 23, 2010 - 10:23 PM
I hate to say it but given the choice between a 1996 H16 and a 1982 5.2, go for the H16. Although I have a 5.2 and absolutely LOVE it, but the H16 is a better boat to learn on. The 5.2 is an awesome boat that was actually designed to correct alot of the bad habits of the H16 but the extra rigging/controls and the boards make the learning curve on it a bit daunting. Also, in my mind, you would have to make a couple of necessary upgrades on a 1982 to improve the safety and usablility (pivmatic popups, side loaders for the boards etc) where you probably won't have to do much to the H16 to sail it (provided it's in good shape).
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 12:55 AM
Yes the 5.2 is a more complicated boat to rig but by how much? The mast rotator and put two boards down. I will admit the diamond wires are a pain in the butt. The Hobie tramp is much cleaner, the sails have windows, the rudders kick up, flotation in the hulls, and there are no boards to pull up. You have to upgrade for sure, pivmatics, move the bar, put jib wires underneath, swept spreaders, and a barber hauler. Also the boat may or may not have a capture mast base. Is it harder to sail? It tacks easier, faster, and doesn't pitchpole. A comment was made that in good winds, a Hobie sailor watches the leeward hull, the Nacra sailor watches the scenery. So I have no idea.
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 01:22 AM
dang...i was so hopeing you didn't want a 700$ 5.7...
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 09:28 AM
Yeah I figured that.
It sure sounds like it would have been a great boat if it were indeed a 5.7. -
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 03:13 PM
GolfDad ,what are/were your concerns regarding the diamond wires being a PITA?
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 04:22 PM
Well it also turns out the H16 is a 94 and not a 96. Sail is in decent shape boat is in good shape and tramp is good. Trailer needs a little cleaning but not bad. would $1600 be a bad buy? I am contemplating either buying it or wings for my getaway. The wings on the getaway would be nice for the family but the wife will not be sailing much if any next year.
Oh and also he said the jib was off a Hobie 18 that was trimmed down and it has a roller furling.
Edited by av8erdunn on Oct 24, 2010 - 02:38 PM.
