Roller furling is a nice perk to have, worth $120-$150ish used, $200 new. IF you always have help, & lots of room to beach the cat, & rig it,(so you can always turn into wind) the furling can easily be done without. If you store mast up, on a public beach, you probably want to remove the jib every night anyway, just to remove the temptation for it to run away.
If you go out for the day, but break things up into multiple sails, furling is very nice to have, but again it's a convenience item rather than a necessity.
I picked up the main parts used for fairly cheap, but I spent zero time on cosmetics for my boat, I preferred to sail the crap out of it rather than polish. Then as the season wound down, I just didn't feel like pulling it up on shore, changing things & starting to tweak, so I ended up sailing the entire year without it. I know I know, it wouldn't have been THAT much work to make the changeover. I can say, that there were several times that furling would have been VERY useful, & when the boat goes together next spring, all those collected bits WILL be installed.
I don't know Hobies, but $1600 sounds fair, for a fully functional 16 yr old boat, (check the VIN # yourself)if the hulls, rudders etc are good. If you can get a harness or two, & a decent PFD & righting line, so much the better. Ideally you can go look at it, & have him fully rig it. Then you can try the rudders, hoist the sails & see glitches that might not be apparent. You will see if blocks/traveler etc have issues, & how that cut down jib actually fits.(go take a few photos of an H16 you know is correct for comparison). Sight up the mast track for trueness, look at all the lines & rigging, poor stuff there might mean other hidden defects. Ask how much water he takes on after a day, if he says none, ask if he'll guarantee that. I've run across vendors who can suddenly be a little evasive, or outright liars.
Finally, if the boat is in good shape, & you decide 2 years later you need the 5.7 you found, you can probably sell it for the same as you paid, assuming you don't wreck it.
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 07:32 PM
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 08:12 PM
Yeah, I love my roller furling on my Getaway. I will probably go look at it next weekend and see what it looks like. I am leaning towards buying it vs. the wings for my getaway since it will be easier to launch solo. I asked about the trap harness but he didnt have any. as for the PFD's I have enough of them as it is. The righting line, that isnt fixed to the boat? on my Getaway its fixed on bottom.
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 09:40 PM
Well it is one more thing for the the main, jib halyard, front shroud, trap line to wrap around. The hobie gets a plus, also what actually does it do.
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 09:59 PM
I dont know what to do. I would like to hold out for a nacra but I hate to pass up a good deal.
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Posted: Oct 24, 2010 - 10:33 PM
gotta add my experience here; the standard Hobie 16 jib is huge and fully battoned, generates massive push, in my humble opinion, this is the major cause for pitchpoling. I switched to a roller furling jib for safety reasons and the smaller jib sail almost neutralized the pitch-pole problem. I say almost because there were days when the wind was blowing around 20 + mph, on a beam/broad reach where maximum push is generated on jib sail, and I was pushing my H16 hard, I was trapped out on the back of the windward hull, one foot on the hull, the other on the tramp frame, where I would have to keep one eye on the leeward hull as it tended to bury the bow ominously.
There were other benefits too, the sail did not hang up on the mast when tacking, setup time was quicker with the jib ready when the mast was stepped, the jib sail could be furled in a sudden big blow, or even when beaching for lunch. I paid $1400 for my '78 H16 without furling option, if your H16 already has that option, hulls are solid, rudders and cams are good, standing rigging good, mast is straight, then I have only one question:-
what are you waiting for?
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Posted: Oct 25, 2010 - 01:01 AM
Yeah, that's a good price for a 1994 with a roller furling jib and trailer!
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Posted: Oct 25, 2010 - 12:43 PM
I am assuming you mean wrap around when you have the mast down for trailering? The solution there is to wrap shrouds, halyards etc in coils & hang them from the mast, it takes a few trial & errors to sort out what works best for your Cat, but then the issue is no more.
What they do...diamond wires are the Viagra of catamarans, stiffen the rod, put lead in the pencil. It is very difficult to build a long light stick & keep it stiff. The longer it gets the more wobbly. You can compensate by using thicker walls &/or larger diameter extrusions, but the weight starts to get out of control. Essentially wires turn that thin stick into a engineered truss. (sort of like trusses for floor joists instead of 2x10s) As the mast tries to bend under load, one set of wires is placed under tension, the mast can't bend as much because it has to stretch the wire to do so.
These wires now give you a powerful tool for powering or depowering the rig. Loosen them off & the mast can bend more. More bend equals a flatter sail & less power, or vice versa.
Nacra claims "diamond wire tension is the single most critical tuning adjustment."
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Posted: Oct 25, 2010 - 04:27 PM
you would need to install a Hobie 16 jib and remove the furler completely. That is assuming you want to race competitively. You could probably take your H16 with furling jib out and race with most clubs. You just would be disqualified if you finished ahead of people who were serious about racing. But I think most groups would allow you to come out and race with them in their non-competitive divisions.
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I think I am going to walk away on the H16 also. It has ports installed in front of the pylons reducing the structural integrity of the hulls. He said the ports are stuck on and would need to be replaced, chances are they are glued on to hide damage. Oh well, there is a Nacra, H16 or a set of wings for my Getaway in the near future. Well at least before next sailing season. I was really wanting something to fly a hull on but it would be ok I guess. -
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Posted: Oct 25, 2010 - 09:55 PM
don't turn your nose up to a p-16...great family cat, super stable, easy to deal with. having had both h-16 and p-16, i'll take the p-16 every time. it can take a lot more payload and is way more foregiving in a blow.
when i race mine they always put me in open spin b with all the non spin misfits(h-18,p-18,nacra,other,etc) and i am the highest rated boat by a mile. it pays off in rough weather!
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Posted: Oct 26, 2010 - 01:34 AM
Yep, certainly the best approach. Look for a good boat in good condition and go for it. All the 16/17/18 footers have thier own idiosyncracies. If you find a Hobie, nacra or prindle that is well cared for, you probably can't go too far wrong.
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Posted: Oct 26, 2010 - 05:42 PM
Thanks
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Hey Aviator, here's one for you, it's in excellent condition and it's only 8 hrs from you in Tarpon Springs, FL.
http://www.searchtempest.…oa&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max
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Posted: Oct 27, 2010 - 11:11 AM
AND you have to love the final word of the ad motivated
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Posted: Oct 28, 2010 - 06:47 PM
Well it looks like a new boat is going to have to wait. I just bought a 2004 Dodge Ram with a Cummins diesel in it 3 weeks ago and this morning it didnt want to crank.It only has 90K miles on it but it may be the injectors and if it is it will be about $3000 just for the injectors. I have had a truck act like this before and it was the injectors. I am keeping my fingers crossed. -
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Posted: Oct 30, 2010 - 10:47 AM
the performance difference of H 16 vs Getaway is large, the poly hulls of wave and Getaway lack stiffness and yield a soft muchy 'ride', similar in windsurfing to original cheap poly boards vs later epoxy stiff lightweight hulls
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Posted: Oct 31, 2010 - 12:38 PM
the moral of your story aviator, never buy Dodge, never buy Dodge Ram, and certainly never buy Dodge Ram with diesel engine especially when diesel fuel is so expensive.
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