Contact Chip Buck a Whirlwind Sails! He did my new flat top main and my canadian flag jib just shipped! His prices are reasonable, his product is top notch! I will warn you though that he has taken a pretty significant position with North Sails in Annapolis so getting sails can take a bit of time. That being said they are worth the wait, and most good lofts are super busy this time of year! I learned the hard way and now that I found a great sailmaker I'm sticking with him for life! Also make sure you call him!! He doesn't check his Whirlwind e-mail very often. PM me and I can give you his other e-mail address that goes to his blackberry.
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Dave
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For good price & quality,, I suggest Chip Buck @ Whirlwind Sails 619-925-5229 I think. Pete -
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Posted: Jun 14, 2011 - 08:33 PM
So the big day approaches.. Hope I dont do a dive the the AC 45. Saw som great pix of her on local TV.. Talk about publicity !!!
Last min questions. Had both sails up her today !!! Thx for the jib rig comments.. Real clear why the stress has to be on the forestay!! BUT.. How about cliping the blocks on the grommet on the jib instead of using the short pieces of line.. Looks like less chance to tangle with the bungie and the lines and wires on the mast.. (OK.. It is the way I did it on my Hobie..) But it seems logicial and easier to rig.. Now the main. WOW.. Nice. Big!! I am using the set from my bargin boat cuz the jib has a better zipper. I was not able to get much mast rake even with the stay in the top hole in the chain plate.. Not sure why. May not need it now.. It looker rather square. Perhaps a smidg over.. Any measuring tips?? And could not get the main to shape well.. Cranked the downhaul.. Still had wrinkles along the mast AND.. The traveler for the clue for the main was all the way out and there was shi* for tention in the bottom seam of the main?? For the main sheet block set , I have a Harken 6/1 with a extra single pulley on the becket so the sheet tacks to the boom. (Cuz I am old and wimpy) Got the rig mega tight and still no tention on the lower part of the sail seam.. It does not look streched. The bolt rope stays in the extrusion. And the down haul is singing.. Looked like a huge pocket in the lower part of the mail sail and not just close to the mast???.. Have some of the new sheets and lines installed but SLO here in CA gave me some that were rather thin and undersized when I bought the set. Spoke to them about it and they have others coming. News at 11 on how that works.. Going to use the old rudder system with out pivomatics this time.. Any advice here.. Did not have time to get them installed
Packing up tomorrow and then a local lake Thr i hope. Pix to follow. Thank you, you all for the words and wisdom. Makes the transition much easier.. Finally some warmer weather her in CA ...It has been june-uary again this year. You all got to come out some time. Would love to host. Cheers Hal
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Posted: Jun 14, 2011 - 08:49 PM
I've done it both ways and I like having the leader line on the jib blocks a little better, and they tend to bind less for some reason. Try both ways, it won't hurt anything.
Put the boat on level ground and use the main halyard to approximately measure mast rake, it should be close to straight up and down, if the halyard hangs to the ports just behing the front beam you should be fine. If you need put a second chain plate on the forestay to get a little more length (old hobie 16 trick).
Hmm, you should be able to stretch the hell out of the main both with the 3:1 downhaul and outhaul. Are you sure you have the right sail? Is your sail set right to the top of the mast? Maybe the bullet on the halyard slipped at some time. Otherwise you may need to get the sail altered a little bit.
You will want 3/8" mainsheet and 5/16" jibsheets if you can do it. Otherwise your hands will get tired pretty quick. 6:1 and 7:1 mainsheet system is fine. I've run 5:1 and that was way too small, I just got and 8:1 low pro because I'm old also.
Sailing without the pivmatics is fine, the boats existed for almost 15 years without kickup rudders and the daggers don't kick up anyway. Just don't hit anything!! You will break the rudders or tear out the gudgeons. :)
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Posted: Jun 14, 2011 - 10:36 PM
++Thx Dave.. I used the center bar to establish level to check the rake THought that would work. Bee interesting how far off plumb it is when the boat is in the water. The bottom of the hulls may not be the right guage too !! After all, the rake is judged by how it sits in the water , right?? What about the fat a**s on the tramp that change the geomontry. (my spelling is sooo bad) I will check out the sail after a day of sailing. Who knows how long it has been since it has been tight. It does have 5.2 decals but no Nacra on it.. The main and the jib sheet are not the prob from SLO .. It is the down hauls and the rudder lines and the clew and mast rotation lines that are too small.. We will see how they respond. They are one of the best her in CA and I am supprised.. I sail in a lake that is a bit shallow, however the bottom is mush. Hope to have a good first time with her.. News soon I hope. My crew is off on a camping trip to navada. Hope he is back.. HOWEVER.. I took down the mast today and was supprised how different it was from my old H16. Qiute light... If I used the main down haul to hold the mast in the socket might be able to do it myself alone !! Not confidant however to take out a new girl by my self.. Old.. Lame but smart.. Cheers Hal
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Livermore CA
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Posted: Jun 14, 2011 - 10:46 PM
Yeah, it's a bit of a trick. Best thing is to just sail it and adjust rake to your liking over time. As long as it isn't raked forward you will be OK. More of an art than a science. You may be able to install a clew plate on the sail to get enough outhaul, the downhaul is trickier. The sail could be stretched and blown out but that is a lot of stretch.
The mast will be lighter than an H16, the diamond wires allowed them to go with a thinner aluminum section. You will be surprised when you step it, once you are on one end without the leverage it feels much heavier. Some people do step single handed but I never have, I always have someone on the forestay just for safety.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 12:06 AM
I have a 5.2 also and have two of the same issues you describe. I had a prindle 16 for a couple of years before getting my 5.2 late last season. I've gotten used to it now, but still not real happy with it.
1) my main sail when cranked down hard with a 3:1 system still leaves a good 10 inches of space above the boom right at the mast. Seems like a lot of wasted potential sail space. The only good thing is that it's a nice "window"
2) My main does not seem to outhaul very well as it maxes out to the very end of the boom. I'm okay with this, but I wouldn't mind being able to outhaul it more to depower some on heavy air days. Seems like the sail is too long for the boom or vice versa. The folks at Murray's did tell me that it is not a native Nacra Boom. (I happen to live 15 minutes from them so brought it in on a seperate issue and they made that observation)
I'm looking forward to removing the post down the center of the tramp after this season. For now, I'm merely dealing with it and getting used to the boat and developing ideas on how to bring it to 2012 for next year!!
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 10:08 AM
Scott.. I just got a secont "Fix up" 5.2 off Craigs. Checked the boom and the only difference is that one has 3 tacks for the Main sheet and one has 1. They were the same length. That stock may not be too hard to find so one could get some to add a bit of length.. One note of caution. I got a sheet/line kit from SLO in Paso.. We are dealing with a prob on line diamater.. I will let you know how that comes out..
So did your 5.2 come from the beach there in town?? I spoke to that guy several times. Get a good deal?? How about a sail day for the girls midway. I am in Livermore.. I have a friend who stors his H20 here on my ranch.. He sails a lake down that way that he likes.. Has nice camping (he has 3 kids and rents a RV). Mabey meet there some time. I am off to Woodward out in the valley by Oakdale tomorrow for the first sail on mine. News at 11.. Nice to have a friend closer than Canada.. I will never get him out here.. Will PM you with contact info when I get a chance.. Cheers Hal
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Livermore CA
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 10:17 AM
P.S. On closer inspection, Looks like the outhaul unit could be moved aft !! About 3-4 inches. Going to play with it tomorrow. Cheers Hal
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 11:52 AM
I do have his contact info somewhere around here. Let me look tonight after work and i will post it for u.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 11:55 AM
Hey Damon i shot you a PM.
Dave/Wolf - I can hook you up just shoot me a PM with colors and design idea and we can go from there. I need approx size so i can determine if my machine is up to the job. More than likely it is. I havent come across something too big to cut yet. -
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Will do, I will get something together. Nothing too difficult. Do you screen print and/or computer cut the vinyl? What I hve in mind could be done either way.
D.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 12:03 PM
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One thing i learned sailing the 5.2 was that bow down was far faster than bow up. When the bow cuts the water in the bow down position it cuts the water with the front edge. When sailing it bow up it is cutting the water with the bottum of the hull which creates more suface area and a much more blunt surface. GPS showed that i was able go 2-3mph faster with the bow down in bay type conditions. The 5.2 can handle some serious stuffs of the bow so if your messing around next time out give it a try and see if your speed increases. The bow cuts the water easier but it also lifts the transoms slightly which gets rid of that sucking sound. That sucking sound is slowing you down.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 02:27 PM
Agreed, the boat seems to like to have the lee hull somewhat submerged. I have run it under almost all the way to the front beam. Probably a better idea to keek it closer to the bridle but you know what i mean. Even keeping the fore/aft balanced the bow will be submerged.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 03:39 PM
the goose marine 5.2 tuning article always confused me a bit with this statement
7. Boat Trim.…………...When sailing to windward and reaching in flat
water have leeward Bow driving in to about 50mm before
deck.
i now read it as to have about a hand span of leeward bow above the water when sailing on 1 hull, you can even go a little lower on very flat lake water, but if you go too low, even with the bow just out of the water, about half way along the bow the water will flow back over the top of the hull until it hits the beam and send then fire up vertically like a firehose
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Posted: Jun 15, 2011 - 08:15 PM
Hal - sounds good! I'm a beach guy - surfer & long time lifeguard so partial to ocean. Lakes I know with sailing Lake Lopez in San Luis Obisbo. Lake Cachuma is close to here. I'm off til mid July on Vacation. Look forward to the better winds of late summer SB!
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Posted: Jun 18, 2011 - 09:50 AM
Hi All.. Well Good news and Bad... Got the 5.2 to a good size lake here in Cal-north on thrs. Took way too long to set up cuz all the pins were the spring type and I am slow with them.. (Old age and bad eyes) Blowing 6 to 8 mph.. Stronger gusts.. Had a friend along who had never sailed a cat. Got in the water about 12.. Wow. nice speed.. Need the pivmatics installed cuz ther was a bit of weather helm.. The deck is a pain in the a**.. I am 6.2 at just over a tenth of a ton.. My friend much smaller.. What a tiny tramp and sooo cluttered compaired to my old H18 & 16.. Hate the bar down the center. Hate the above jib lines above the tramp..
Also thought with daggers, that she would tack better than she did.. Tried to unsheet the jib during the "come about".. Irons both times. Tried the backwind till we both had changed sides and then un-sheet. That worked but we caried no speed through the tack.. And try to get 2 fat a**es under that boom and over the center bar quickly was tough. getting caught in the jib sheet and the main sheet.. Wonder if I could relocate the boom mount higher on the mast to try to get more room to cross the deck. Seems like a lot of waisted space between the boom and the sail.. She did point well however..
I came away wondering if the 5.2 is the boat for me.. Not sure if I want to spend the time and cash on upgrades on the boat and not end up enjoying her performance?? I left the boat at the lake that night with friends in the local fleet here and returned Fri, but alas .. NO wind.. Going to try one more day in her present condition and then decide..
Thanks for all the posts to help me.. Cheers Hal
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Livermore CA
H 16 (6+ 1.. Friends) H 3.2 N 5.2 (2) H 17 (2) H-18
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Posted: Jun 18, 2011 - 06:03 PM
you're going through much the same issues as golfdad75 did last year when converting from crusiey H16 to more race oriented N5.2
maybe go through this thread
http://www.thebeachcats.com/forums/viewtopic/topic/11901
and also do some searching on nacra 5.2
you can easily remove the tramp tube and convert the jib block lines to under-tramp to open up more space on the tramp. do that before you start messing with the boom height
only you will know if it's worth it
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Posted: Jun 18, 2011 - 06:59 PM
here is the deal... if you are a little older...and you don't race hard core...you will go only a little faster for a lot more hassel than you would on a prindle or hobie 16....period.
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