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Posted: Aug 26, 2011 - 05:57 PM
HA HA, you need an pair? I've probably got 7 or 8 sets. If you buy a set, don't get the really cheap ones, they will have single lenses & will fog+++.
Make sure you have double lenses. We don't use it skiing, but for wet sports a product called Rain X is very helpful. It will make the water bead so fast that it basically won't stay on the lens. We used it on a Citation Biz jet to keep the rain off.
I know what you mean though. When I have 3 or 4 on my 5.7 I usually sit, & brace a foot against the traveler casting. In 20 kts+ the water in the face can be like a hose, especially if the sea is in a rough or confused state. I've tried swim googles, they are not comfortable & tend to fog. Now I just wear "wrap around" sunglasses with Rain-X on the lenses. Salt water would be more of a sting though.
When I first started I used to sheet out every time the hull came up. I've learned it is too much work to haul it back in when the winds are strong. After a while I got better, & now can sort of feel how fast the hull is rising, & mostly just steer. It might not be as fast, if you are serious racer, but it is easier. The trick is not to be harsh on the rudder, smooth & small is the trick. Once you get over the chicken factor of oversteering & letting the hull drop back down, you will let the hull come up, steer gently, less than what you thought you might need. As soon as it starts to drop, or even a bit before, steer gently back into the power, & keep it there.
If the wind is strong and/or gustly it is good to have the sheet uncleated, so you can slip some in a hurry. That will save your ass if the steering doesn't work.
Yesterday I was formation sailing with an H17 Sport in 25-39 clicks (15-25 mph) & he never uncleated the main. During strong gusts he did some pretty agressive steering, rounding up almost 50* at times to prevent tipping. Of course the speed falls way off when you do that.
That is the first time I've heard the Hobie rudder hum. The H17 rudder hum was quite loud, I could hear it 100 yds away, he seemed surprised mine didn't do it, thought it was a function of speed. I told him mine didn't do it, & I could pull away from him quite easily in the strong wind, he was as fast in the lighter wind, looked like a fun boat.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2011 - 07:39 AM
My H18 does not hum at all, at any speed. My h16 starts to hum at 5-6 kts. I think it has to do with how tight I run my rigging.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2011 - 05:55 PM
I read a thread on the other forum about rudder hum. I can't remember which model of Hobie it was. Matt Miller had the cure, it is caused by rudder vibration, & you sanded down the thickest portion of the blades. I don't think he mentioned anything about rig tension.
I don't hear it at any speed on my 5.7
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Posted: Aug 28, 2011 - 01:26 AM
I think it is a hobie rudder only thing. From the factory instead of having a perfect point on the trailing edge they flair out a bit then go to a point. It can be corrected by sanding the trailing edge somehow. I think do it because that sound means you have drag but some non racers probably just like sound because they think it means they are going fast.
I just picked up an old H17 but I have no idea if it hums or not yet.
Edited by Quarath on Aug 28, 2011 - 01:27 AM.
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Posted: Sep 10, 2011 - 01:27 AM
Take a look a McMaster Carr for not only SS hardware, but all kinds of goodies. Not the cheapest around, but they have a massive inventory and excellent service. -
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Posted: Oct 17, 2011 - 12:20 AM
www.bosunsupplies.com/
Good quality and great prices.
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Posted: Oct 17, 2011 - 10:23 PM
I use riggingonly.com for a lot of rigging stuff, usually ten to twenty percent off list.
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Posted: Nov 03, 2011 - 04:29 PM
The only place I use a quick pin is on the clew of my mainsail, and it is an oversized forged shackle with a stainless pin. I use this so that I can release the sail from the boom immediately after I hit shore, right before I release the downhaul as much as possible. At this point I set the boat nose into the wind and furl or remove the jib. If the wind builds to 18+ and I am not going back out right away, I drop the main and roll it under the hiking straps. Why be lazy about thousands of dollars worth of sails? I never leave the sails up overnight. The sails on my boat are 24 years old and still crispy. They are rolled and loved.
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Posted: Nov 03, 2011 - 07:56 PM
this is a bit old but i thought id chime in lowes and home depot are pretty depot for stainless shackles and such not a huge selection here in florida we have ace hardware which is usually expensive on everything but for shackles and nuts and bolts are way cheaper than other places also tractor supply co is pretty cheap and has a good selection! -
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Posted: Jan 10, 2012 - 11:03 PM
wow, this thread is flogging all over the place!!!!
cheap hardware? www.duckworksbbs.com
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Posted: Jan 11, 2012 - 05:38 AM
It was the Hobie 14 and 16 primarily and yes it required sanding the trailing edge of the rudders. Mosy people keep it hummin' :) I know I did, always nice to hear
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Posted: Jan 11, 2012 - 08:44 AM
My N20 humms like crazy. I am in the process of fairing the rudders and daggers to see if I can get rid of it. While I do not mind the sound, I know that a hum means a vibration, which in turn means that humm is holding back a little bit of speed.
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