First off, the weather has been AWESOME here in Michigan, I'm hoping that someone has made it out.
I found some materials that I could use for building a sail tube over on the east side of the state in Saginaw, I'm on the West side, I wanted to see if someone can pick up these materials for me and hold onto them until the weekend of the 31st when I can make it to that side of the state.
I'll paypal the money or whatever works up front, and I"ll include a little extra for the storage and effort, I'll even buy a round when we meet up.
Please let me know, then we can PM the details.
Thanks for looking,
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Building a sail tube,Request for assistance in Michigan
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Posted: Mar 19, 2012 - 08:39 PM
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Posted: Apr 02, 2012 - 11:28 AM
So I know that this sounded sketchy, but i picked up about 13ft of 2ft diameter pvc pipe for $20 this weekend, + the cost of the trip, food, gas, activities for the family (shopping for the wife, kids museum), ended up being like a $100 day (not including the wife's shopping because that happens no matter where we are) but I think that everyone in the family enjoyed it and I have a kick ass start to my sail tube. I'll post pics as i work on it.
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Posted: Apr 02, 2012 - 12:14 PM
24 inch diameter? Wow, what does it weigh?
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Posted: Apr 02, 2012 - 03:55 PM
And will it fit under the cat?
Edited by pknapp66 on Apr 02, 2012 - 03:55 PM.
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Posted: Apr 07, 2012 - 02:19 PM
doesn't weight that much, relatively speaking. the 5ft ish sections are probably 60lbs ish each, then again i been working out so maybe more, haha I'm guessing that it will add about 120 pounds to the trailer.
The walls are fairly thin, if i go with a chest type hinge system (along with access from one end) then i'll have to reinforce it.
As far as fit goes, I haven't checked yet, tubes are in michgan and the boat is 100 miles south at the family lake cottage (just did the git rot repair yesterday actually), they will soon meet and i will figure out how to proceed, i thought that if i had to i could cut out middle sections to make it shorter. I'm creative, it will work one way or another. I'll post pics.
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Posted: Apr 07, 2012 - 04:39 PM
Hey, that's cool! I still need to make my sail tube, so I'm reading this thread with interest.
At 24", if it doesn't fit below your cat, you can always cut it in half lengthwise and put a flat bottom on it with some marine plywood and a bunch of screws. I'm having a hard time finding appropriately sized sewer pipe here, so this is the route I might wind up going.
Really looking forward to seeing your sail tube come together. These days $100 won't even cover dinner and a movie for my family. Not a bad way to spend a weekend!
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Posted: Apr 07, 2012 - 09:56 PM
I think and hope that it will fit. Imagine how much stuff I can get in there. That is a great idea though cutting it in half, I'll just have two. The only thing is that I like the idea of having top access when the cat is off, but I want end access because I'm sure I'll forget to put something in at some point. I'll be keeping more than just my boom and sail in there. Hoping to get the pfd(s), tools, backup sails, rigging, etc. By the time I'm done I'll need a heavy duty truck to pull it, haha.
I haven't been to Hawaii yet, but i hear it is expensive out there, I do have a young family though so I have some grasp on what you mean. I like the challenges of saving money and making things on my own when I can. This should be fun.
I have two little kids with birthdays approaching (one turning 3 may 28th and one turning 1 june 28th, the process might me slow but I will update when I can. Luckily this site isn't blocked at work,
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Posted: May 02, 2012 - 09:56 AM
Any picture updates on your sail tube? I am need to make one up this year, so just curious. If you happen to see any 12-15" tubing over in your area holler....still looking.
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Posted: May 02, 2012 - 10:44 AM
Dave, I just brought the boat and trailer up here to meet the tubes from the family lake house in Indiana I’m hoping to start building this week, weather permitting.
Also I did find out that one of the tubes is 20” diameter the other two are 24”. 20” Looks like it should fit easy, So I’ll be cutting the 24” tubes down on the circumference (about 12.56”), which is ok since I plan on hinging them anyways. Photos coming, just not sure when. A lot of prep work going on now, plus my laptop is down without a power supply. Work pc and phone is all I have right now.
I'll keep an eye out for you. They are doing some work over by a college by work so I'll what they work with and if something looks promising I can ask what they will give away.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 08:25 PM
Other than a paint job - which will happen much later this year, sail tube is done and functional, I ended up having one piece of 20" pvc and the other two were 24" so I cut off of the circumference to make them work, I hinged on of them and the other has a roof vent for airflow. So far it has worked out pretty well, here are some pics, open for feedback, questions, comments,
a few more pictures in this album:
http://s1244.photobucket.…csantana823/Sail%20Tube/
for the record, this was highly insipred by the store-pedo(spelling) on this site, thanks to whoever posted that up. Mine isn't quite as cool, but it works for me, it will be getting painted and look a little better aesthetically. But it functions like a champ, been using it for about 3 weeks, half a dozen or so boat launches.
Edited by cezo823 on Jun 20, 2012 - 09:40 PM.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 10:25 PM
Wow! That's a huge freaking sail tube. Well done.
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Posted: Jun 21, 2012 - 06:39 AM
Thanks Damon, that's what she said. :) I've got about 1/2" between the bottom of the dolphin striker and the top of the tube.
Big is right, but just light enough that I can still pick up the front of the trailer to get it on the hitch. I will be getting a trailer jack soon though.
I carry quite a bit of stuff since I trailer everywhere that I sail. Extra parts, PFDs, tools, and probably camping equipment for weekend events, between having a small suv and a car it will be nice to be able to take a lot of things and still have room in the vehicle for normal stuff, in my case normal stuff usually equals, carseats, strollers, toys, but also includes certain audio/visual equipment, and edible goodies.
As a heads up, my personal laptop is up and running again so I have a couple other overdue topics and pictures to post, including delam repair and my first regatta. Trying to pay forward for some of the stuff that I read and learned on this site.
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Posted: Jun 21, 2012 - 10:39 AM
Cesar,
Be sure to set your mast with the kerf pointed up.
If you trailer (or even store it) with the mast lying on its side it will bend.
Don't ask how I know.
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Posted: Jun 21, 2012 - 12:06 PM
Alright I will ask what is the kerf?
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The notch for the sail bolt rope to go through attaching it to the mast. -
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Posted: Jun 21, 2012 - 02:32 PM
Thanks for looking out fly Navy, I usually trailer with it down sitting on a piece of wood wrapping up with a towel that sits on the back of the tramp frame, I have plans to make mast cradle for the rear though.
It is sitting sideways in the pics for two reasons, one is it didn't want to sit proper once I hit the road last time, it was about 11pm so I tightened it up and finished the 50 mile drive home. 2nd, I had the mast top off resealing my mast. Hopefully the cradle gets made this weekend partially with a heat gun and some left over pvc from the sail tube and some type of padding.
Thanks again for looking out
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Posted: Jun 21, 2012 - 03:49 PM
How waterproof is the sail tube? I would think a seam that long would be tough to make waterproof especially when driving down the road in a rainstorm. -
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Posted: Jun 22, 2012 - 09:56 AM
It definitely isn't submersible, but the rear cap is sealed with silicone and bulb seal so that if I were to back in too far at a boat launch it SHOULD only allow small amounts of water in.
I haven't driven during a storm with it yet, but I've checked it after the 4-5 rain storms that we've had and it has been dry.
All large seams have some type of overlapping flange, as well as vinyl and silicone for sealing, if you care enough for additional details read on, it might get lengthy though:
There are three sections to this sail tube the aft section is just straight pipe no cuts
The middle section was cut down in diameter and length to act like a inside coupler and both joints are sealed with silicone (after screwing the sections together) I thought about even using pvc glue on these but didn't have any handy so I decided that I might do that if I have issues down the road. The seam from cutting down the diameter of the middle section is facing up and there is about a 1/2" gap, so what I did was I took the remaining section of diameter/circumference about 14" wide and laid it over the gap about a material thickness above the gap, this acts like a "roof vent" and allows air out and should only allow awater in under some pretty extreme circumstances, highway driving in a monsoon may qualify.
The hinged/front section took a lot more work to make weather resistant,
The aft section is sealed on the bottom where it meets the "coupler" the top as some adhesive back foam sealant tape that seals against the coupler when it closes.
The port side as the boat sits on the trailer has the hinges, what I did was I took a flexible material, (which in this case was the vinyl floor trim that is used in commercial buildings like schools the lightest most flexible that I could find) and ran it on the cut hinge seam underneath the hinges. This hides my cut line and gives me some weather resistance, I "glued" the top of the vinyl to the sail tube using silicone sealant which glues it and prevents water from coming in through the top. I didn't glue the bottom to allow for the movement of me opening and closing it, another air vent, and it was sitting pretty well against the sail tube.
The starboard side has the circumference cutout acting as a flange to cover the seam. Also sealed with silicone.
The end caps were both installed with liquid nails and screws then also sealed with silicone. The front end cap (cut in half because it is hinged) has a piece of aluminum as a flange seam to help for weather resistance, also silicone.
Some of the materials were leftovers from when I worked in an Recreational Vehicle factory and a lot of other stuff came from the habitat for humanity restore, like the hinges and vinyl trim. Cheap and "green". Don't get me wrong though, I get new and good stuff when I know that I need to.
There are also "doughnuts" on the insides of the tubes (wood cut to the id of the tube and a circle cut inside of that at about a 2" offset), 3 of them, they double as structural members that help the tube maintain its shape and they also act as cradles to keep things like the boom with sails from sitting in any water that may puddle up in the bottom.
I'll take more pictures and add them to the album after I paint it, close up she still looks a little "raw".
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