hobie capsize over and over and over
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 08:31 AM
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 09:05 AM
Holy crap that was crazy. When you first dumped and your crew was caught up in the ropes and the boat was slowly going over, I was biting my nails. Then he got separated and the tension went up. Nice soundtrack.
Good lesson on why you should always stay with the boat.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 09:26 AM
wasn't my boat... It was durring the miami-key largo race and was posted on the other cat site.
That video is full of lessons.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 09:37 AM
No Radio. No whistle. Doing a distance race barefooted. Darwin award.
Edited by mummp on May 08, 2012 - 10:05 AM.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 10:14 AM
I'm just an inland wuss, but that looks remarkably dangerous. Ditto on what Philip said, and also no chicken line? And why isn't the crew holding on to the sheets he's tangled in.
I'd sure be pissed at that rudder system... hobies. sheesh
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 02:03 PM
i have not seem many cats with chicken lines.
I would have to guess the skipper and crew are not extremely experienced.
They failed to get (or attempt) the bows into the wind which exacerbated:
the separation of crew (she was rescued by sea-tow), increased wave troubles, additional capsizes, and inability to control the vessel both in the water and after righting.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 02:19 PM
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 02:29 PM
OMGosh, this is the most sobering beachcat video I have ever seen.
Rick White's Sailing Drills Book Needed Here
Pages 14 and 15 - How to:
Stop Fast
Park
Backup
All of which would have allowed his crew to catch up, or given him time to locate her and sail toward her.
She was in the water alone for an hour before she was rescued by someone else.
The line between this outcome and tragedy is very thin.
Thank goodness that he had the stamina to right his 16 single-handed multiple times.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 02:47 PM
Bob,
No disrespect here but I've been in those conditions more than I care to. Your not going to stop, park or backup in any controlled fashion. You are in survival mode. Highly unlikely he could turn the boat through a reach to retrieve her, gibes were instant pitch poles, and the speed of separation is incomprehensible. He couldn't even see her. His biggest mistake was leaving the beach. Some of the most experienced top notch sailors that day stayed in. They knew their limits.
I do agree that everyone should learn the skills mentioned, especially at the start sequence when racing.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 03:13 PM
It's days like that that make us better sailors.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 03:21 PM
I agree makes me glad for my prindle rudders. Don't think I would have been able to even recover that tiller by myself in those conditions.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 03:26 PM
I don't know what it was blowing that day, but even in what I'd call medium winds this is extremely true.
I had a boat pull up to me to help one day and an older gent, maybe 55-60, offered to help. I said sure; I was exhausted and needed to get in.
He started to jump in next to the boat (instead of in my path). I said stop. He jumped and started swimming. I said stop swimming, you're going to exhaust yourself and there is no way you'll ever catch me.
He had to be rescued. And he was amazed afterwards as he thought he was a good swimmer. I told him it had nothing to do with it.
You won't catch a capsized cat with the wind blowing on the tramp once it gets away from you.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 04:10 PM
That was sobering. The crew was having constant trouble unhooking, and it looked like the boat was going to turtle on top of her while she dangled from the hook. I need to think about the righting line on my Prindle, which is stuffed in the tramp pocket and not easy or fast to get to. It sure would be nice if the Prindle had a way to rig a righting line along the hull that you could easily reach, or maybe I need to think about a righting pole.
Also thinking about an externally strapped knife for quick access, a SCUBA inflatable tube for visability in high seas, bright colored hat (instead of camo!)....
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 04:10 PM
video blocked in my country
due to music violation
youtube sucks
just screen it without audio! -
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 05:46 PM
crazy kids!...let's hope they learned something.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 06:15 PM
Agreed.
And Phillip, I have never though of you as disrespectful.
From our armchair view of videos and second-hand events here, it's easy to miss the big picture sometimes.
Thanks for pointing that out for me.
Bob
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 06:27 PM
I think I woul have tried to turtle that boat as soon as the crew was free. I don't have as much experience as others but I knew trying to sail solo back to the crew was gonna be easy.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 06:44 PM
That whole thing scared the pants off me. But kudos to the guy for posting it as a warning to others. I could have done without the music, though.
I wonder how many of the more experienced sailors told them to stay out of the water that day. Judging by the overwhelming gusto, I can't tell if they would've noticed wiser heads sitting out the race. A couple of races I went to years ago, the experts were ready to tell people they did something wrong, but were pretty close-lipped when it came to telling people how to do it right (like knowing when it's more prudent not to put your boat in the water!) There's a world of difference.
Lots of food for thought on that video. I like my rudder system more now. I'm getting more whistles, which I'm attaching to our PFDs with lanyards. I want to change my righting line setup. And a new word of warning for anyone who gets on the boat: Don't get your leg wrapped by a sheet! CRAP I thought she was gonna drown.
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 07:03 PM
Here's a link to the results, not many cats finished.
http://miamiyachtclub.com…MKL%20RESULTS%202012.pdf
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Posted: May 08, 2012 - 08:22 PM
Granted Doug seems to have a lot to learn about sailing in those conditions and he would have been far better off learning them with help closer by, but he *did* finish the race and I'm sure he did learn quite a bit.
While we are criticizing him for what he did wrong, let's give him some credit for what he did right. I think Doug did the right thing when his crew was tangled, he made sure the boat didn't turtle on top of her while she figured out how to get free, for example.
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