USED Supercat parts are hard to come by. Most SC parts can be had from Aquarius new, those guys are great to work with. Have to pay new prices though!
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Mac
Midlands South Carolina
AHPC Viper USA 366
A Cat USA 366
Super Cat 17
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Hello I'm new and 210lbs.. Need help picking out cat
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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 - 08:22 AM
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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 - 11:49 AM
Nvm, there is a lot more wind in your area than mine
! Since im in a low wind area I can solo a 6.0 Mystere most of the time (anything in between 8-12 knots is fun and safe). But I see in your area the average seems to be higher then that!
Edited by mysteres on Feb 20, 2013 - 12:52 PM.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 - 03:49 PM
You will not go wrong with the N5.0. I have a 5.0 & a 5.7 & solo them both more often than with crew. Up to 15 kts the 5.7 is a blast, after that it really helps to have crew. I have soloed the 5.0 in 30mph, but it was pinching, survival mode. I have only pitchpoled the 5.0 once, it can be driven pretty hard into waves. Don't know about righting the Hobie, but unless the wind is up I need a bag to right either the 5.7 or 5.0. My buddy, @ 190 lb cannot quite get the 5.0 to come up if the wind is light.
If you plan on driving it under power up onto the beach the Hobie hulls are probably more durable.
They will both do just over 20 mph. Simple to rig & sail. The newer boats are faster, hence the dearth of any boomless designs in the high performance classes. For recreational sailing, you won't notice the difference, & the boomless Nacra makes life really easy.
Don't discount the H17 if a good one is available. Be aware of the difference between dagger boards,(you pull them up & down, they have no pivoting action) & the pivoting boards on the H17. The pivoting ones don't destroy your boat if you hit something. A fellow on the Island across from my bay has an H17, & it looks like great fun. We regularily sail them against each other.
In wind it is nearly as fast as the 5.7, & though I can point as high, I have to work at it, weight forward, careful sail trim. He suffers when the water gets rough, his H17 tends to hobby horse, & kills speed everytime the bows dip. The Nacra has much more flotation & cuts through the rough water better. The H17 has wings if you want the comfort they provide.
The one caveat is that you are 210 lbs, & you will sometimes bring a buddy. The H17 uses pretty fine hulls, & bogs down with a couple of 200 lbers on it. The Nacra is a better boat for two.
Look over any boat you buy very carefully. Make an extensive list of things to inspect & print it out. Saves trying to remember everything when at the site. Don't buy on "happy feelings & emotion". As Phil says on Duck Dynasty, "makeup can cover a lot of evil Cole Man."
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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 - 04:09 PM
Check locally and get a Hobie 16 they are everywhere, cheap, easy to sail, very easy to get parts for. Sail it for a few years and decide if you want to do more. At 210 you can sail it solo and take a babe when you want. Learn it well and then move to a dagger board boat.
I have a Nacra and it is a fine vessel but the support for parts is a pain, IN MY OPINION, getting parts for anything but a Hobie is more difficult than for a Hobie. I also have a Hobie 18 and it is easier for parts support etc. For example there are very few Nacra dealers and ONLY ONE importer, I have a hobie dealer that ships same day and I get parts the next. If he nacra dealer can get the part it takes days and sometimes weeks to get to me. Happy with the dealer but the parts are tougher. I have only seen one supercat in my life, same with Prindle cats, only seen a couple.
There are several guys here that are ANTI Hobie, fine but do not let them discourage you from a good hobie 16. Get one with solid hulls redoing them is a pain, white is generally the best. Sails are secondary, but decent hulls are a must. Usually they can be bought for under a grand with trailer. JMHO, Richard.
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H-18
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Posted: Feb 20, 2013 - 08:26 PM
I don't think I am anti-hobie. I'm just very pro Nacra. I like most of the Hobie designs especially the H18.
I do have some gripes about the H 16 though, mainly due to the tendancy to cartwheel without much warning. Yes I know there are things you can do to make up for it like raking the mast back, getting the antipitchpole foils and trapping of the back. I just prefer to have a more forgiving platform.
That being said - the H16 is the most plentiful cat on the planet, finding one in good condition for cheap is relatively easy, finding new and used parts is extremely easy. They are also likely the simplest cat to rig and learn to sail on in light air (next to a wave). The tramp is very uncluttered so lots of room for yourself and crew. And they go like stink!!! So there are many pros to getting one as an entry level boat.
The Nacras are harder to find but I haven't had any problem getting parts except for the beam end caps. Just not from a dealer. The cathouse, New england catamarans and the used market here are great for stuff like that. I have rarely bought new parts for my boats except for sails (custom) mast balls and rigging (also custom).
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1981 Nacra 5.2 "Lucile"
1986 Nacra 5.7 "Belle"
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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Posted: Feb 23, 2013 - 09:26 PM
Buy the best boat you can get for your budget. H16 P16, Nacra 5.2, 5.0 ect ect They all have the good and bad points
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Posted: Feb 24, 2013 - 08:30 AM
If you're a big guy, and want to bring another person or two on your boat, those small-displacement hulls on the H-16 are going to struggle. Concur with others here, find a good example of whatever you buy, or you'll wind up just pouring more cash in it until you finally give up and buy the boat you should have bought in the first place.
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Hobie 16
Hobie 18
G-Cat 5.7
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Posted: Feb 28, 2013 - 12:08 PM
Being a larger sailor myself and a former H16 pilot, I can say that they are fun boats and can be quite fun in heavy weather. They are not hard to right solo and just day sailing it does not hurt to load them up over the Min crew weight. With the cooler rack on the cross bar and a tramp bag its easy to carry enuff refreshments for a long day on the water.
I'm sure that Damon has a boat buyers thingy on here about what to look for on various boats, that has always seemed to be a FAQ. Do your homework on the boats on your short list and inspect every one you go look at.
Enjoy whatever you buy!!
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Harstil Kaulua 31 - Current Project Boat
Cal 25 - What ? Time to freshen it up again??
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Posted: Feb 28, 2013 - 03:11 PM
I sail a Prindle 18 out of Podickory Point (Near Sandy Point State Park) on the Bay. My weight is 240 lbs. and I solo it frequently. In my opinion need extra weight of crew in winds over 12 knots. Would be glad to get together with you later in the year when it warms up if you want to try the Prindle out. Have had no trouble getting parts for this boat.
Edited by spoulton on Feb 28, 2013 - 04:11 PM.
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Scott
ARC 21
Prindle 18
Annapolis, Maryland
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Posted: Jun 18, 2013 - 08:08 AM
Scott and others: I bought a Laser and a sunfish and have been sailing the Chesapeake from Rocky Point just about every week. In fact I have about 100 hours in these boats, 15kt+ winds and I'm ready now to move up to cats. Still looking at A Cats but investigating proa's. Scott: .Just lit me know when you want to go sailing! Thanks
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