Anyone familiar with this part? These being the anchor posts glassed into each hull.
They appear to be cut-to-size mast extrusions and I am looking for source or part number or original mast shape and maker, if that makes sense.
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Posted: May 12, 2013 - 05:40 AM
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Posted: May 12, 2013 - 06:37 AM
Are they not the standard 16 mast extrusion?
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Posted: May 12, 2013 - 12:47 PM
Not 100% certain, but I think they are the H 14 mast extrusion.
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Posted: May 12, 2013 - 06:08 PM
In a effort to answer this and other important life questions, my crew and I carefully dissected a Hobie using state of the art techniques.
We found the answer to be "Yes"
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He could do that but Bacho's way is way more fun.
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Bacho,
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Posted: May 15, 2013 - 04:33 AM
Much appreciated...appears the pylons are 16 mast extrusions, cut to size...now, what I need to know is the source and part number for the extrusions...if that is possible. Just go to the Hobie reference person noted above and ask? Or, who makes the masts for Hobie...?
Edited by BobBill on May 15, 2013 - 05:25 AM.
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Posted: May 15, 2013 - 05:25 AM
Maybe Hobie makes their own extrusions?
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Posted: May 15, 2013 - 07:59 AM
How much do you need? If this is a one time project, chopping up a 16 mast would be very economical.
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Posted: May 15, 2013 - 08:27 AM
Bacho, Thanks.
Yes, I had not thought of that...maybe some bent ones out there, but, what I really need is a spar that is just one size larger, to fit over the pylons which is reason was looking for the maker.
I am constructing a proa outrigger from a s'board 19 and port 16 - salvaged hulls to give them new life and to give me a fun beer boat...
Was going to weld into angle and connect to beams. Yesterday I decided to lop off stern of the 16 hull and add a pylon to match the 19 notches...kind of a design in progress...but I have to refurbish and do hull refinements first, then the akas then the paint then cruise.
Edited by BobBill on May 15, 2013 - 08:29 AM.
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Posted: May 15, 2013 - 12:34 PM
Maybe the H16 mast extrusion would fit over since it is bigger.
I have about 6ft of H14 mast left over from a conversion project that I use to keep my trailer and car from rolling down my driveway (neither one currently has a parking brake). I'd sell it to you for not much more than shipping if you are interested.
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Posted: May 17, 2013 - 06:21 AM
Cezar. Much thanks. I am not sure that would work. But when I get to working on this project this weekend, will know more and get back to you. I just realized that the beam positions are not parallel and may have to alter plan a bit...at any rate, the added piece would have to fit over the 16 pylon.
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Posted: May 17, 2013 - 01:12 PM
It is raining here and hulls are outside, so will get back Sat or Sun. I am trying to engineer a way to use the two starboard ends and attaching parts as easy fit, but will join to larger beam...interesting project this.
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Posted: May 17, 2013 - 01:31 PM
Are you using the castings, or are you trying to cut the pylons at a 45 and weld them?
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Posted: May 17, 2013 - 02:09 PM
Bacho, Excellent ?.
No castings. Am using H-18/19 main hull and the outrigger is the 16, with stern shortened. got me thinking again...If I use 6061 T6 pipe or tube, and cut to fit, maybe will work. I was thinking of using starboard beam ends for anchors to main hull and then connecting to fit to the pylons on the 16 somehow.
I have also thought of doing what you suggest, the weld, and then telescoping akas into each other with pipe inserts for rigidity...
A seemingly minor thing is that the aka centers are not exact, with the 16 about 8 inches shorter between centers, but that seems not a big problem, even if I have to add new anchor point.
I am also going to add a third aka forward...to lengthen deck - beer cooler space.
I live in small town and will have to ask Pete (local welder) if he can handle the angles and also see if the beams or akas can be adapted...If the above addy is your email, I can send drawing for better idea...I have even thought of lashing the akas to the 16 hull or both...this works, great way to recycle these hulls...
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Posted: May 17, 2013 - 06:15 PM
Sounds like some corner castings would be of great value. They would help with the beam distance problem. The stock beams may even work at that point.
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Posted: May 18, 2013 - 06:13 AM
Bacho, I have been working that idea around my head...how to connect: different sizes (18 vs 16 akas) and the distances between the pylons and the 18 anchor points are different, which will require custom work, but it cannot be spendy or complicated, which would defeat the intent.
If the frame/beams/akas are the same size, maybe I might be able to use the forward port corner, not sure about aft corner.
The idea is worth the thinking about, and I am going to put it to paper and hit Hobie 16 sites for some more info.
You have an idea how this might be accomplished, have at it, more heads are better.
I was going to put this up on SA and BoatDesign, but decided to keep screen time down.
Pity I cannot put up a pic here , but I can give you a link to see what I have in mind, just remember the aft aka might not be a simple beam, but either angled or have a short angled leg to the aft port pylon...
Link is here: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=146167&page=4#entry4144879
Go down to post 327 but you might want to read the entire thread, fairly funny stuff, mixed with some serious stuff, and you will need to be able to decipher facetious sarcasm, if there is such a thing, from the serious stuff.
Edited by BobBill on May 18, 2013 - 07:17 AM.
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