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  • OK so I am dry rigging her in the driveway practicing to get her wet tomorrow, and I am sooooooo confused.

    I have a jib block on each side, and a large rope between them, and from each of them a smaller rope that goes from a cleat mounted on one side forward crossbar, to a cleat on the other side of the fore crossbar! (See photo).

    I have a horrible feeling that one of these should be in front of the mast ;-(

    http://www.thebeachcats.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=102773&g2_serialNumber=3<br />

    Anyone have this set-up, it is different from any I can find in the manuals!

    THanks
    Kevin



    Edited by cellguru on Jun 15, 2013 - 07:25 PM.
  • What does a barber hauler do?



    Edited by cellguru on Jun 15, 2013 - 07:31 PM.
  • http://www.thebeachcats.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=102773&g2_serialNumber=3

    Is this your picture? Looks like what you have is a barber hauler setup but it's rigged wrong.
    The jib sheet should NOT go thru the blocks on the beam. The line cleated on the beam should go thru the cheek block on the beam and then tied to the block that that the sheet runs thru forward of the jib block with cleat.

    Also the barberhauler blocks are on backwards.



    Edited by nacra55 on Jun 15, 2013 - 06:57 PM.

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    Ron
    Nacra F18
    Reservoir Sailing Assn.
    Brandon, Mississippi
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  • cellguruWhat does a barber hauler do?


    When sailing off wind, with the jib sheet loose, the top and bottom of the jib will not work the same, the top will open up. To get the top an bottom working together, the barberhauler is put on, this moves the jib lead forward and out while tightening the leach of the sail.

    Works kind of like a traveler.



    Edited by nacra55 on Jun 15, 2013 - 07:50 PM.

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    Ron
    Nacra F18
    Reservoir Sailing Assn.
    Brandon, Mississippi
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  • http://www.murrays.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/01-5155.jpg

    The barber-haul adjusts the angle of the jib line in and out. Look at kit above, line is attached to bullet block with becket, runs up to bullet block with eye pads attached to outside edge of front beam then through cleat. When running down wind, tension line on barber-haul which will pull bullet block with becket up to front beam, adjusting angle on jib line to maximize wind capture.

    You also need to adjust the angle on the jib blocks, loosen screw on either side of adjuster and rotate block so that the cam cleat with fairlead is pointing towards the rear.

    The line between the jib blocks must have maximum tension, tie off to thimble on pigtail using bowline knot, run line through 1st set of grommets on tramp and attach to pigtail thimble on other side using a truckers hitch, this will allow for 2:1 purchase to crank on the tension on that line.
  • Looking at your pic, I noticed the jib lines are at a strange angle, they should connect directly to the jib clew blocks which in turn are connected to the clew of the jib, so the jib lines should run close to the mast. But your lines are running some distance from the mast, did you run those lines through the bullet block for the barber-hauler line ????

    This is how they should be rigged.......

    http://www.thebeachcats.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=76593&g2_serialNumber=4

    Once you have the jib blocks rigged correctly, then go in and rig barber-haul line as I said above, tie off the smaller line to the becket on the bullet block through which the jib lines are running, reeve through bullet block on front beam, through cleat on one side of beam, through cleat on other side of beam, through bullet block on beam and tie off at bullet block becket on opposite side.

    clear as mud icon_lol
  • cellguru,
    What you have is the standard Prindle jib set up. It is not the 4-way system on the "newer" 18-2 and 19. You can find your setup on the Prindle 15/16/18 Manual here on Beachcats. You have the jib sheet and a Barber Hauler for adjusting your jib off or downwind. Both your jib sheet and the Barber Hauler lines should be continuous, not two piece.
    Nothing should be in front of the mast except the parts of the jib sheet that are shackled to the jib.



    Edited by klozhald on Jun 17, 2013 - 05:44 PM.

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    Sheet In!
    Bob
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    Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
    Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
    AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
    (Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
    Arizona, USA
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  • Well thanks to Dustin we got it all sorted out, we just took the B Hauler out of the loop for now!

    I can always add it back in later, but for a beginner just the tiller, traveler, main sheet, and jib is all I can handle for now!

    The cleats did come in handy for my jib sheet jam preventer though!

    Thanks again for the help.

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