I'm looking for my first catamaran and was looking for recomendations between a Hobie 16, hobie 18' or Solcat 18'
Any advice would be appreciated
thanks!
Solcat 18
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Posted: Apr 11, 2008 - 05:48 PM
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Posted: Apr 13, 2008 - 05:21 PM
Its hard to say without knowing your past sailing experience, or if this is your first dive into sailing.
The Hobie 16 is an easy boat to learn on, really basic setup, and you can find the boats and the replacement parts quite easily. But you are prone to pitch poling and may be limited with the amount of crew weight you carry on board. Another plus is that it is easy to setup, possibly even by yourself if you are strong enough to step the mast.
Moving up to the 18 footer makes setup a two person job, but you can also take more people on the boat with you at a time. They are also quite a bit faster than the 16 footer and provide more of a challenge. The 18s, although more challenging, are actually more predictable and stable than the 16, so your less likely to take an unexpected dunk in the water.
When it comes down to a Hobie 18 or SolCat 18, its harder to say. The Hobie will be easier to find replacement parts for, but anything made before 1984 will weigh a lot more and be harder to handle getting it on and off the trailer. The newer hobie 18s reduced much of this weight. The SolCat is a fun boat, but they are a bit more rare so finding replacement parts can be more of a challenge, although there are quite a few company's that still sale both used and new parts for the boat. The rarity of the boat can also be fun as many strangers will come up and want to talk about the scarcity of SolCats or their unique setups. -
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Posted: Apr 14, 2008 - 04:34 PM
Thanks for the info!
I'm leaning towards an 18' for distance sailing.
Can Hobie sails fit on a Solcat mast if I have to replace one down the line? -
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Posted: Apr 14, 2008 - 04:40 PM
I don't think you understand how rare the Solcat is. So rare that most of us have never seen one in person. I have no idea when exactly they were produced or how many may have been manufactured.
If anyone has that kind of information I would like to have it for the Identification archives.
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Posted: Apr 14, 2008 - 04:55 PM
I don't intend to hi-jack this thread in attempt to hawk my wares, but I put together a small website to assist in the sale of my SolCat. If you go to the bottom of the page I have a link to a PDF containing some of the original brochures, sales sheets, and the factory setup manual for the SolCat boats. These may come in handy for your identification archives as they contain all of the factory specs and dimensions.
http://www.laurusmedia.com/solcat/index.html
I'm unsure of the exact dates, but I believe the SolCat line of boats (14, 18, 20) were being produced through the years 1976-1981 -
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Posted: Apr 14, 2008 - 05:22 PM
Thanks! That is some really good stuff! Good luck with selling your Solcat, I am sure there is someone who wants a unique beachcat.
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Posted: Apr 14, 2008 - 08:56 PM
See that? From my research an 18' Hobie i just as rare to find for sale as a Solcat 18'
Maybe Monstacotyscott can share his experiences with his Solcat?
Does it compare with a Hobie 18? Are sails interchangeable?
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Posted: Apr 14, 2008 - 10:49 PM
I honestly don't know about the interchanging of sails. The SolCat has a mast length of 28', and the Hobie a mast length of 28'1", so I would imagine the sails are very similar in size and shape. I'm sure a sailmaker could easily modify a hobie sail to work, but it may not swap directly over.
SolCat sails can often be found used, and Midwest Sailing actually sales many NEW parts for the SolCat, including sails.
I love the SolCat, I just have the opportunity to upgrade to a NACRA 5.8 and wanted to give it a go. It's certainly a unique boat and gets a lot of comments from sailors and non-sailors a like. It's a pretty predictable boat and its rare that I ever capsize without really pushing it's limits.
I would say it compares pretty closely to the Hobie 18. The Portsmouth Rating on the Hobie is 71.4, where as the SolCat is 74.9, making the Hobie a technically faster boat, but a good sailor can easily make up for that gap.
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Posted: Apr 18, 2008 - 12:27 AM
Being a Solcat owner / sailor I found that I was able to completely rebuild my boat without any problems, any rigging, blocks or other small parts I was able to get from Murrys.com. I happen to live 30min. away from them but they ship all over the states.
I was able to upgrade my sails with much better ones by watching for other solcat for sale.
I can go on but, if you go with the solcat drop me a line and I would be happy help with any information I have. I still sail her regularly, they are great boats.
Good Luck
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Posted: May 04, 2008 - 05:20 PM
It was the spring of 1974 and I was at the NY Boatshow when I first saw the Sol Cat 18. I was considering a Hobie 16, but the Sol Cat just looked more intense. So I purchased one (Sail 1210). Most people on Long Island had Hobies and I got tired or handicapp racing. Found a fleet down in Barnegat Bay, NJ.
Raced with them up to 1977-78. Thats when the Nacra's started to show up and people switched over to them. I sold my Sol Cat around 1986, now I wished I still had it.
It was a great boat, had a lot of good times on it.
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Posted: May 09, 2008 - 01:45 AM
In the early '80's I owned a Hobie 16, had a lot of fun on that boat. Easy to sail, Stuffed the bows a hundred times. sold it in the late 80's and three years ago found a "free" Sol 18. I fell in love at first sight, ree-built her and went sailing for two years until i had an opportunity to get a Nacra 5.7.
I re-built the SolCat from the ground up.
A little tip.
Dont buy a tramp from Salty Dog Marine. The thing has lasted three years and is now falling apart.
I bought a Hobie 18 Main and it worked perfectly. stay away from equipment used in salt water.
Murrays, Beachcats, catsailor, mast bearings from "timgoes" on ebay, and ebay, provided the rest of what I needed to make her a very cool boat.
I mmounted a gps to the front beam and recorded 24.3 mph while sailing 2 up in a winds I clocked at 25 to 32 mph. Now, Im not saying that I actually went that fast, I had just left shore less than a minute before and wasn't watching the gps, but when I looked at it, it gave top speed as 24.3mph. I have had it up to 18-20 mph many times with the lee bow just dipping below the surface while crew and I were being pummelled in the face by three foot waves. We were laughing our asses off and crapping our shorts at the same time. AWSOME!!!
the sol is a great boat but it has been getting some hard sailing, ie high winds latley and the bridle connection on the port bow are failing. Hopefully we fixed it with epoxy. Make sure you check the top of the hulls in front of the main beam for soft spots and separation at the bridle attachments.
I set the trailer up with a winch and a block at the top of the mast cradle for raising the mast single handed, it works like a champ. Trap wires are attached to the Jib blocks for side to side support.
I have righted the Sol 18 many times single handed with a rope and a righting bag. I am 5'10"- 180lb. Most of the time I single handed.
Before I got her, my boat sat in a guys back yard under a tree for 20 years so she still had some shine left. I hit her w/ some 1500 grit wet paper and wax and when I pulled up to the club's , it was like pulling up in a mint 57 Chev. Then I would go out and stand her up on one hull for a while.
Very cool boat!
That being said, there is no such thing as a free or even cheap boat.
My 5.7 Nacra cost $1500 and I have less than $2000 in her for ten times the boat.
That's pretty close to what I had in the Sol whenit was all said and done.
Good luck and steady winds.
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Posted: Jan 06, 2009 - 04:58 PM
I just bought an old used SOL cat and know nothing about it.
It looks great for 200.00!
I am replacing the sails and trampoline for new ones thru an online source...and the hulls and rigging look fine.
Any Sol cat owners feel like sharing any info, would be greatly appriciated!
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Posted: Jan 07, 2009 - 11:06 AM
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Posted: Jan 11, 2009 - 08:18 PM
Solsailer,
I owned a Solcat 18 for about 12 years, raced her for the first 4 years. If you have any questions, let me know. Give me you email if you want to discuss anything off-line.
A few questions, what color were the Hills? Do you know the original sail number?
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Posted: Jan 11, 2009 - 10:10 PM
I recently (about 7 hours ago) got a used Solcat 18 and spent a couple of hours with my friend trying to figure it out. (I've never sailed a catamaran in my life but look forward to learning the differences from a mono) We got the stays set up and everything seems to be fine except that the lines need replacing since it's been sitting outside for 14 years.
The only problem we had was getting that dang mast up, I guess I'm going to need to put together a winch since we just couldn't do it ourselves.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2009 - 11:21 AM
Hi Charlie,
yes I would like to talk off line...cabanaglass2gmail.com
Please email me.
The original color of the hulls seems to be blue from what I can see under the white at present....I am getting ready to sand it down and repaint her this week.
I think the sails are original and will go to the garage to see about the no. on them.
I have ordered new sails for the Sol cat online from midwest sailing.
write when you can I want to inquire about some other questions.
Thanks so much for your input!
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Posted: Jan 15, 2009 - 09:26 PM
Hi guys, I just got a 78 Sol Cat 18 a few weeks ago. I'm very excited and can't wait for summer. The hulls are in good shape. I've already redone the bottoms of the dagger boards and got new wires for the rudders to raise and lower them. My sail number is 4081. If anybody knows any information about this cat, I'd like to know.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2009 - 09:56 AM
I have actually had a Sol Cat 18, Prindle 18, and Hobie 18 sail on top of eachother to measure. They are all close enough to be inter changed. The Solcat has a battened jib, though, so that is the main difference.
I just got a decent used Solcat 18 mainsail if anyone is interested..
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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 03:52 PM
The website monstacotyscott gave above was awesome...I downloaded the orginal owners manual for SOL CAT 18' .
It shows step by step how put put the entire boat together down to the rigging.
Thanks a million!!
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Posted: Jan 29, 2009 - 03:58 PM
As a new sol cat owner, I am completly redoing the entire boat from scratch...right now it is being refiberglassed, I bought new sails thru "midwest sailing",,also a new trampoline and new rigging...
now I am looking into a new rudder system (if anybody knows which are best?)
I am also going to put running lights (running the wire inside the mast to a small dry cell or moped battery inside the deck plate on on of the hulls, as well as a waterproof stereo!
It has been fun customizing this thing, and soon it comes back with a brand new paint job and I can get all the rigging finished and get her in the water!!
Fun fun fun
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