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presto13031

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Posted: Sep 25, 2013 - 02:57 PM

The mindset is the same between Jeff Gordon, Lewis Hamilton, Ken Block, and James Spithill.

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Posted: Sep 25, 2013 - 03:28 PM

that was one for the ages! can't wait for the next cup, can only imagine what improvements will be coming...friggin' space ships!

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Posted: Sep 25, 2013 - 06:24 PM

What a great comeback. I wonder how much of the performance improvement is from all the data acquisition and analysis done by the shore crew. Makes me wonder especially with Oracle being the funding. The sailors did a great job, but the boat prep and Performance analysis was a huge part of the win. For all us nerds out there to ponder.

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Posted: Sep 25, 2013 - 07:37 PM

at 8 to 1 i told my sons it was game,set, match, the kiwi boat was faster. i guess that it is never over until it is over. oracle changed the foils and tactician and they became faster and came back and won, amazing. despite a 2 race deficit. amazing!

Edited by marcs2 on Sep 26, 2013 - 01:55 PM.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2013 - 12:49 AM

Sorry but I just can't cheer for a crew that cheats! They are pathetic! Lets look at the real winners. The Kiwis - 90% Kiwi crew, USA - 1 crewman was american, The Kiwis spent 100 million, USA - 200 million, The Kiwis raced a Kiwi built boat, so did the US. Oh and lets not forget the Kiwis didn't cheat!!!! WIN to the Kiwis!!!!!

Lance Armstrong = Team Oracle - the only difference, both got caught, just one got to keep the win.

By the way the Kiwis will not race if the costs don't come down see Bloomberg News.

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Posted: Sep 26, 2013 - 06:56 AM

amazing comeback
amazing final race
couldn't ask for a more exciting race or series
bacho

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Posted: Sep 26, 2013 - 07:25 AM

shipchips1Sorry but I just can't cheer for a crew that cheats! They are pathetic! Lets look at the real winners. The Kiwis - 90% Kiwi crew, USA - 1 crewman was american, The Kiwis spent 100 million, USA - 200 million, The Kiwis raced a Kiwi built boat, so did the US. Oh and lets not forget the Kiwis didn't cheat!!!! WIN to the Kiwis!!!!!

Lance Armstrong = Team Oracle - the only difference, both got caught, just one got to keep the win.

By the way the Kiwis will not race if the costs don't come down see Bloomberg News.

Only a very small part of the team was involved in the AC45 situation, and were not on the AC72.

The Kiwis got beat, fair and square. Statements made now about the next AC and cost do not mean much.

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TylerH

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Posted: Sep 26, 2013 - 07:43 AM

shipchips1Sorry but I just can't cheer for a crew that cheats! They are pathetic! Lets look at the real winners. The Kiwis - 90% Kiwi crew, USA - 1 crewman was american, The Kiwis spent 100 million, USA - 200 million, The Kiwis raced a Kiwi built boat, so did the US. Oh and lets not forget the Kiwis didn't cheat!!!! WIN to the Kiwis!!!!!

Thanks for that laugh...go USA! they deserve it..

Edited by TylerH on Sep 26, 2013 - 08:43 AM.

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shipchips1

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Posted: Sep 26, 2013 - 09:03 AM

I'd rather be honest then impressive

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Posted: Sep 26, 2013 - 01:54 PM

the crews on the cup boats are hired on their ability, it is a meritocracy. they hire the best sailors and they are Kiwis.
if the americans were the best they would be hired in a new york minute but unfortunately they are not.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2013 - 06:04 AM

Quotethe crews on the cup boats are hired on their ability,
If you want to learn how it's done in sports nowdays watch the movie MONEYBALL with Brad Pitt. One of the best sports movies to come along in years!
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Posted: Sep 27, 2013 - 11:19 AM

Edchris177She took off her gold medal on the podium & handed it to the girl who placed 2nd, then stepped off the podium.

She rocks!

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marcs2

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Posted: Sep 27, 2013 - 02:03 PM

here are the numbers and the reason oracle won. they changed the balance on the boat, adjusted the wing and foils and that resulted in a 100sec. improvement to weather. the kiwis also improved their windward speed but by 50 sec. the faster boat almost always or always wins.
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Posted: Sep 27, 2013 - 04:48 PM

marcs2the crews on the cup boats are hired on their ability, it is a meritocracy. they hire the best sailors and they are Kiwis.
if the americans were the best they would be hired in a new york minute but unfortunately they are not.

So what is Randy Smyth..chopped liver? I am sure there are a few other name to put up here as well..

We have some great sailors in the good ole US of A.... That probably would have done very with as part of the USA team...

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JohnES

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Posted: Sep 27, 2013 - 04:54 PM

shipchips1Sorry but I just can't cheer for a crew that cheats

I am with you on this, but not all of those involved with the AC72 were part of this,they took their penalty straight up, and came back for the win... Rest assure I can guarantee the measurement guys and the referees were all over Oracle like bee on honey every day.

Edited by JohnES on Sep 27, 2013 - 04:55 PM.

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Posted: Sep 28, 2013 - 12:26 PM

JohnES
marcs2the crews on the cup boats are hired on their ability, it is a meritocracy. they hire the best sailors and they are Kiwis.
if the americans were the best they would be hired in a new york minute but unfortunately they are not.

So what is Randy Smyth..chopped liver? I am sure there are a few other name to put up here as well..

We have some great sailors in the good ole US of A.... That probably would have done very with as part of the USA team...

On the whole "best sailors" thing, the Americas Cup has always been sort of a community of it's own, you see the same players through the years. Mainly because it has always and originally been a game played by major Yacht Clubs around the world, big traditional yacht clubs do not have a tradition or connection to multihull sailors. Hopefully this can change, but there are a lot of built-in problems for multihulls at most yacht clubs.

One place that should produce long-term results is the Red Bull Youth America's Cup which is specifically designed to "grow" multihull sailors for future Americas Cups.

Besides rooting for the home team, this and the whole "standardized Americas Cup multihull boat" was the reason I was hoping for an Oracle win. Give them another 3 years to fine tune the whole thing and it could really be marvelous.

I think Pete Melvin's idea of moving to wing masts and fully battened sails that can be reefed would be a big help in reducing campaign expense. He mentioned it takes 35 people to just manage the wing during a race series and a whole separate design team from the boat and foils. If they standardized the mast itself and left sail development open with measurement then there is still plenty of room to spend 10's of millions but no need to spend hundreds of millions.

Even billionaires have limits, I saw an interview with one (can't remember the name) who was watching the racing from his super-yacht say that he'd be open to sponsoring a campaign for 40-50 million but not 200 million. Pretty much like me saying I'd be willing to spend 40-50 dollars on a football game ticket but not 200 dollars.

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Posted: Sep 30, 2013 - 07:44 PM

Australia accepted as challengers for America's Cup
Monday Sept 30th

http://www.theguardian.co…nge-americas-cup-sailing

here we go again!!
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Posted: Sep 30, 2013 - 08:21 PM

QuoteBesides rooting for the home team, this and the whole "standardized Americas Cup multihull boat" was the reason I was hoping for an Oracle win. Give them another 3 years to fine tune the whole thing and it could really be marvelous.

it made for some great tv and I turned on several friends/family to it...they all loved it! the drama around the series this time was compelling and could be built on for the next series. I'll be tuned in for sure

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Posted: Oct 01, 2013 - 12:28 PM

QuoteOne place that should produce long-term results is the Red Bull Youth America's Cup which is specifically designed to "grow" multihull sailors for future Americas Cups.

if you haven't done so, try watching some of the Youth races. they provide the fleet racing excitement that the AC72's didn't give us.
j

http://www.youtube.com/re…1.11.youtube.yqIlWN_nfOQ

Edited by arch on Oct 01, 2013 - 06:01 PM.

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