Prindle 16 newbie, looking for tips on faster setup, beginner configuration and overall not sinking
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Since mgoltsman (is that your real name?) hasn't seen a lot of catamaran trailers I should have mentioned that this one was a little unusual because of the under-slung crossbars and the fact that it is welded together. I was using it to illustrate the overall geometry. Most of the galvanized trailers I see have the crossbars attached with U-Bolts. Having the crossarms on top also provides a level support for trailer boxes or tubes. This one needed the stack of 2x4's at the front to get front support for a box.
The hull support rollers are definitely homemade from off the shelve pieces, I agree with the-renovator but think it's more of a hazard to your shins when working around the trailer (don't ask me how I know )
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There is a twin P16 in front of my place in Turkey Point, on Lake Erie. I agree not having quick release pins on any rigging. Yes for having them on boom to main, boom to gooseneck, jib sheets.
I have a page on tuning if you search Turkey Point Catamarans. http://www.nornet.on.ca/~doverw/tuning.htm -
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Faster Rigging: I would stay away from quick release pins for any standing rigging. I think the worst thing I can imagine is a dismasting out on the water. I believe quick releases are hollow. So, do not do anything that would increase chances. Just my thoughts. I leave my sidestays and trapeze lines connected to the boat, always. I just coil them onto the tramp and fasten them with velcro to the hiking straps. Forestay has to be released for obvious reasons. I just ordered clevis pins (too cheap for push buttons), for boom, the clew of of the mainsail and main blocks. I keep my rudders on the boat for travel. I made some blocks for them. Actually, go here...I documented a bunch of stuff I dealt with on the boat; http://www.thebeachcats.c…ctures/?g2_itemId=103882
Soft spots: Go through every inch and push with your hands. You will be able tell what they mean by soft spots. Most likely to be found on decks. Again, tons of info in the technical photo section on how to deal with this. The method is pure genius. I wish I knew it twenty years ago when I bought my first beater boat. Pretty much everything can be repaired, and the folks on this forum are some of the best at it from what I have seen.
Tuning: Yup, do a search (see the trend yet?). I would not go nuts about it. Read up on it so you will at least understand what is going on when you go out on your first sail.
Diamonds: If you have just tight enough that the first 12 inches can be squeezed to touch mast is just fine. Once you know what you are doing you can fine tune it. Then, call me and explain it to me so I can do it to my boat :)
Stays: I run them as tight as I can set it. I will have someone pull on the trap wire so I can adjust the sidestays. You will be amazed how much the mast will bend and put slack to the leeward side.
Traveller: For now, just set it and forget it. If you get into some big broad reach runs it is nice because you can "sheet out" with the traveller and not the main, thus eliminating a huge uncontrollable belly in the sail. I believe it is meant to work much like a vang would on some other boats.
Pete[/quote]
Thanks Pete, you did a great job on the photo documentary, answered some of my questions.
I am a little unsure of the Main Sheet rigging.
I am not new to sailing, however new to small cats.
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Kernunnos, Your post reminded me to add some photos to the album. I put a few more up there that may interest you. Pete
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I posted a few pix of my Trailer & "Spring Rain" as well, they are turned 90 Deg, I don't know how to fix them.
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Home Built 2004 Optimist-Delta "Unity"
So old it has Dino hide for a sail Chrysler "Pirateer"
Steve
Oyama BC
Lat 50.1167 N
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I got the pic of the mainsheet rigging, mine has two blocks at the boom....
Will add a pic when the time gets here
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Home Built 2004 Optimist-Delta "Unity"
So old it has Dino hide for a sail Chrysler "Pirateer"
Steve
Oyama BC
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I posted some pix of the trailer I got with my Pridle 16 the rollers are 8 feet apart, the cross beams 7
Edited by kernunnos on May 07, 2014 - 05:25 PM.
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Home Built 2004 Optimist-Delta "Unity"
So old it has Dino hide for a sail Chrysler "Pirateer"
Steve
Oyama BC
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Rigging Prindle 16 : we always use "speedy connectors" any kind of snap shackle eg to attach blocks to boom to traveler, to lines to raise and lower sail jib,same for main sheet , Also use for blocks for jib and to attach to tramp carry xtra line in tramp pocket and use clips for xtra life vest(attach a whistle) and tool kit (always carry spare parts a few shackle etc)and righting bucket use of speedy connectors saves 5 to ten minute in rigging time
kernunnos correct about side stays, they usually stetch as season progresses so tape them with electric tape 4 or 5 winds around the shackle or pins so they never can come loose, move them down when wires stretch and retape, enjoy your Prindle Even with less sail area u should take any hobie 16, I have both cats and believe Prindle is the superior craft -
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Ok, I have been looking at the pictures...Question.... do I release the Mast mount hinge when I get all the rigging done?
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So old it has Dino hide for a sail Chrysler "Pirateer"
Steve
Oyama BC
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Yup. You can keep it on the mast base though.
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I would NOT use a shop vac. The pressure a shop vac is capable of can do a lot of damage- like stretching a small soft spot into a large section of delamination.
The bubble technique is tried and true, just use a second person to blow into the hull's drain hole. A person's breath is more than enough pressure to form bubbles at the leak.
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Right, full shop-vac pressure could probably pop the hull even if it did not have a problem before the test. I was planning on aiming a shop-vac exhaust at the vicinity of an open drain plug - that should limit the pressure, no? I am worried that a human exhaling till he blacks out can't add enough volume to a 200l+ hull that would generate enough differential with the atmosphere to inflate a soap bubble...
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You have missed a fundamental design point on beachcats, especially Prindles. The hulls are constructed in a foam/fiberglass sandwich construction with positive flotation. You can have one hull full of water and the cat will still sail. (There is a video here somewhere of a Hobie doing exactly this) Many have left shore with a hull plug missing and still sailed back to shore, once discovered.
IF the both hulls fill, the cat may turn turtle, but it will not sink. So cross sinking off your OMG at Sea list unless you fill both hulls, have a very leaky mast and keep a #40 Danforth anchor secured to the underside of your tramp. A fat relative will actually help you float, so you might lash the tubby aunt/uncle where you had the Danforth, as a precaution. :)
Edited by klozhald on May 08, 2014 - 12:13 PM.
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Hey, I am pretty tubby myself so hurray for buoyancy! Thanks for the assurance, it really helps with my OMG list
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Laffin my ass off!!!
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