Double trap p16
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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 12:47 PM
Anyone have a dual trap setup on their p16? I want to set mine up with duals for when my boys sail it. They are pretty light so I'm just wondering if it might be overkill. -
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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 02:07 PM
Absolutely essential for heavy air. And have them learn to tack from the wire. Pete -
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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 04:04 PM
A little advanced sailing skill for them at this point but that's the plan! Thanks Pete! -
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Posted: Aug 10, 2016 - 09:27 PM
Double trap was an option, but a lot of P16s had them.
It is a continuous wire from the crew end, up to the hound and then back down for the skipper on each side of the cat.
Double swage the ends above the thimbles, not so important for the thimble at the top.
Salty Dog Marine and others know what to do, or you can make your own.
Buying used standing rigging is not usually recommended.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2016 - 05:17 PM
Hi!
I have double trap on P16. I use not wire but 3mm dyneema and works great! A lot of fun when is blowing more than 12 knots:)
On this video you can see:
https://vimeo.com/167222470
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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 12:49 AM
Kuba! That's an awesome video! Thanks for sharing -
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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 06:37 PM
Dyneema is a great choice, and very economical. Easy to splice and you can splice slip knots/loops in it to make it easily adjustable. Once you get accustomed to working with it you'll find all sorts of uses for it.
As far as double trapping a P16, not overkill at all, especially for a light crew. Also it is an inexpensive add on that is not in the way if you choose not to use it -
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Posted: Aug 12, 2016 - 11:57 PM
Just researched the Deneen's and that seems the way to go for sure! I'm not much for splicing but I can tie knots! -
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Posted: Aug 13, 2016 - 05:02 PM
Thanks. I have one witch is better to see double trapezze but not on vimeo but on facebook. I will send it later. I use bowline knot.
Edited by kuba730 on Aug 14, 2016 - 04:11 PM.
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Posted: Aug 13, 2016 - 05:04 PM
Thanks. I have one witch is better to see double trapezze but not on vimeo but on facebook. I will send it later. I use rescue life knot.
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Posted: Aug 21, 2016 - 09:52 AM
Hi,
here is another video with double trapeze!
Enjoy:)
https://vimeo.com/179641462
Edited by kuba730 on Aug 21, 2016 - 10:19 AM.
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Posted: Aug 31, 2016 - 05:50 AM
From Sunday (short film double trap all the time ;)
https://vimeo.com/180799739
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Posted: Aug 31, 2016 - 01:49 PM
knots are not a great solution for these (edit) High Modulus(end edit) "steel cable like" lines.
with enough force the knot will cut (edit) through itself(end edit).that's why riggers use eyesplices, and the bitter ends are tapered because the abrupt edge on the line can cause problems (edit) / failures(end edit).
now if your using 4mm dyneema ... the breaking strength is so ridiculously high that it's very unlikely that the weight of a few humans (even with extreme forces i.e. peter-panning, or being whipped around during a flip) i doubt it would be an issue (edit)it would be spectacular to be thrown a few dozen feet from your boat... just aim for water(end edit)
BUT chafe is a big issue here and is why many beach cats don't use high modulus lines for rigging. You have to make sure your trap lines won't rub on hounds, shackles, stays or your gonna frey your lines continuously
Edited by MN3 on Sep 01, 2016 - 12:13 PM. -
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Posted: Sep 10, 2016 - 11:14 PM
Kuba I'm loving your videos man! Makes me want to go sail now! -
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Posted: Sep 12, 2016 - 04:36 PM
Special for you:)
https://vimeo.com/182443641
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Posted: Sep 12, 2016 - 05:57 PM
[quote=jalex]Dyneema ...Easy to splice and you can splice slip knots/loops in it to make it easily adjustable. Once you get accustomed to working with it you'll find all sorts of uses for it.
I just looked at some splicing videos on YouTube...looks like some kind of voodoo magic
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