Just for discussion sake, if one were interested in upgrading from a Prindle 18 to a 19 how noticeable would it be?
Much faster?
Better tacking?
Carry more or less weight?
Similar rigging time?
FYI, I have only sailed my 18 a handful of times and have yet to get everything ironed out, but I like the idea of a Prindle 19 in the future. I really just think they are prettier boats.
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Prindle 18 vs 19
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 01:15 PM
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 01:17 PM
If you can find an 18-2 this would be a great next step...
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 02:06 PM
I have heard 18-2's are really only a 2 man boat, ie. they can't carry much weight. Weight capacity is important to me.
Why do you suggest an 18-2 vs 19?
Edited by chump23 on Oct 27, 2016 - 02:07 PM.
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 02:16 PM
+1
The 19 hulls are narrower and have a completely different rocker (profile) than the 18-2. This makes the 19 a bit less forgiving to steer.
The 18-2 and 19 are both rockets, designed after the old Tornado Olympic class cats. They both have a LOT of bouyancy in the hulls up front, intended for ocean racing. They are a little more complicated to sail, with 4 way jib block adjustments, and centerboards, and maybe mylar sails...
Do look forward to the idea of an 18-2 or 19 in the future.
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 03:23 PM
The P-18 is build like a tank and I personally wouldn't let go
of it.
Regarding you're upgrade, could you point us where you want
to go?
Go faster, sportier and even do a Spi (aftermarket)
A P18-2 or P19 is a way to go. (there's more to explore)
Like klozhald pointed out they are rockets, but don't like a
lot of weight on the transom.
Also keep in mind they are build much lighter and vulnerable
to damage. Can't beach them like a P18.
Or, taking more crew, family and even an ice-box on the
tramp?
Then, get an older 20 foot. Nacra and Hobie are the way to go,
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 03:48 PM
I suggest you sail the crap out of your'e P18 and learn to manage that
boat first. They are great catamarans! And well build.
Whats with looks? (a P19 looking better?)
The P18 and the P18-2 have the same mast, so you could even
upgrade to a 18-2 main with minor costs .
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 04:22 PM
I fully intend to sail the crap out of this P18 for at least another year! I just started this thread for some conversation and input for the future.
I am asking out the P19, and perhaps 18-2 because they have centerboards. Dagger boards are not something I am interested in dealing with in my very shallow, but large bay. With more time on the boat, ocean sailing will be happening. Sportiness would be nice, but room for family and fun is more important. I'm toying with the idea of adding some Getaway wings on my P18 with the idea of moving them (with modifications) over to whatever the future boat is.
Hobie 21 was an original ideal, but after sailing in my area a bit I don't think I have a great setup to deal with a boat of that size and weight. Mystere 6.0 and 5.5 sounds great and have wing options, but they don't seem to exist anywhere outside of Florida and the Great Lakes area. That pretty much leaves P19's and potentially 18-2's as future options. I suppose a Getaway checks the family boat option, but for the money I could buy a cherry 20' boat. There, you have my entire though process.
Oh, and P16-18's have that odd turn down on the decks and giant slabs on the side of the hulls. Functional sure. Just not what I call pretty.
Edited by chump23 on Oct 27, 2016 - 04:25 PM.
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 04:44 PM
chump23,
I'm in Europe, and don't know about the availability of Dart
catamarans in the US, but a Dart 20 (Stampede) should cover
your demands. Skeggs, no boards, outrageous fast.
Light and easy to disassemble .
And just forget about the "giant slabs on the side" it means
you are sailing a true "classic"
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 04:58 PM
The Dart reminds me of a Nacra 5.7. I forgot to mention those as a possibility as well, but my questions were just centered around the performance differences of P18's and P19's or 18-2's. There are already lots of "Which boat?" discussions. Thank you for the input though. I had never looked up a Dart before.
So does a P18-2 carry weight better than a P19?
Also, do the three boat share crossbeams?
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 05:41 PM
As a former P18-2 sailor, I changed to a Tornado,
I can tell you a P18-2 doesn't take weight very well.
They are called " submarines" at our club and are known
for pitchpoling..
I'm a big man, 260 Lb with gear on, and soloing
found myself sitting against the stays most of the time.
Till 15 knts windspeed there was no way I could take crew
and have a blast.
Now, the P19 is a foot longer( mostly in the bow section)
and that somewhat solved the "pitchpoling" issue.. but
nevertheless are still very proun to weight.
They are both build as "racers" and not family cats.
I can confirm they can share crossbeams.
( not sure about the P18)
The P18 is more of an allrounder and fun-cat.
Fun side is, with the P18-2 I could sail at all windspeed,
with the Tornado, above 17 Knts I have to look for crew...
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 05:50 PM
So.. maybe a Tornado ??
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 06:25 PM
Hmm.. Well, I guess that means I'll probably be looking for a 20' boat when the time comes. Ofcourse, only one member of my family may be very interested in sailing, in which case everything above is on the table.
Thanks for the knowledge, Andre.
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 06:32 PM
I raced P-19's for years. Great boat, but not nearly durable enough. I moved to a Nacra 5.8, and that same boat I sailed at the 1987 Nationals in Ft. Walton Beach is still sailing at Cheney. I am back to soloing my P-18 classic, and I love it. If it ain't broke, maybe you shouldn't fix it.
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Posted: Oct 27, 2016 - 07:13 PM
+1
I see quite a couple of Prindle sailors returning to the "classic" P's..
18's and even the 15's are sold as racers under the texel-yardstick.
So hold on to you're P18.
I know there's a few Dart 18 available in the states, great cats!
You're other option could be a Nacra 5.7
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Posted: Oct 28, 2016 - 07:05 AM
I have a P-19 and can relate to it being a rocket to sail. I got new sails this summer and this boat accelerates like a missle on any reach. I have rigged up a water bag for capsize recovery and it really helps
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Posted: Oct 28, 2016 - 08:52 AM
I bought a 19 last month..took it to a small lake for its maiden , wind was around 12 - 15..
My buddy & I were only going but then.. my neighbor pops over wanting to go & so does my 14 yr old daughter,
588 lbs on board, best speed was 14.2 according to RACE QS..ABSOLUTE BLAST
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Posted: Oct 28, 2016 - 12:31 PM
That sounds promising!
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Posted: Oct 28, 2016 - 09:48 PM
For recreational sailing, I have had 500 pounds of meat on my 18-2 in a blow and it was really fun.
I race my cat with my son, and we are 340 lbs combined, and still do well in 15 kts in the ocean.
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Posted: Oct 28, 2016 - 10:28 PM
I have an 18 and 19. 19 much faster and able to point higher. Harder to single hand in winds higher than 10 knots, but has furling jib which makes it more manageable. Both stay on the beach and have survived well, both are fun but 19 can be competitively raced and there is no restriction on sails. -
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Posted: Oct 28, 2016 - 10:37 PM
What is the difference in length between the crossbars of an 18 and 19?
ie. If I made wings for the 18 would the fit the 19?
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