I recently purchased an 81 GCat 5.0 but she's needing a lot of TLC. Already received lots of good advice from this forum.
Anyone have some pics of the jib and main sheet (no boom) rigging? I'm going to have to replace it all and while I could probably figure it out eventually, it would be great to have some pics to go by.
Thanks
1981 GCat 5.0 Jib and Main Sheet Rigging Pics
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Posted: Aug 16, 2017 - 10:22 AM
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Posted: Aug 16, 2017 - 10:44 AM
https://www.thebeachcats.…aec0d7fed0d756276c00601c
Sorry, this is all I have on my old GCat, no rigging pics though....
You will have to source a boom, GCat boom sits at a 35-40 degree angle, attaches to the gooseneck located at bottom of mast.
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Posted: Aug 16, 2017 - 11:44 AM
There is a g-cat manual on this site somewhere - try searching for it (top right of every page)
there a tons of pictures online - try searching google for them
there is a g-cat facebook group - the real OG (hans Geissler) occasionally posts on it
you can rig these cats dozens of ways, often a sailor will work with what they have and improve on it over time and may have their own "system"
If your asking how to reeve your main blocks, or jib, ya gotta show us what you have before we can tell you how to set it up (pics) :)
if you have harken blocks (or even if not) i would suggest you search their site for how to reeve a 5:1 or 6:1 and so on (they now sell 10:1 for cats, maybe even more ...)
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Posted: Aug 16, 2017 - 04:25 PM
http://i933.photobucket.c…master/gcat_50m_rig1.gif
http://i933.photobucket.c…master/gca_50m_trig2.gif
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Posted: Aug 16, 2017 - 04:32 PM
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Posted: Aug 17, 2017 - 07:52 AM
This is great! Lots of great pics that will be very helpful as I drive on with the refurb....thank you! -
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Posted: Aug 17, 2017 - 07:57 AM
Ok, I will get more pics posted soon to show what I have to work with. I think I have the mainsheet figured out. But its the jib sheet I'm not sure about. When I had the old aft tramp installed, there were two grommet holes on the tramp with a rope through each that was part of the jib rigging. But when I received the new aft tramp, it doesn't have these grommet holes, rather it has two straps running fore and aft with a loop....I'll have to provide a pic. Is this the barber haul? -
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Posted: Aug 17, 2017 - 08:04 AM
Cool, thanks for the link to the manual!
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Posted: Aug 17, 2017 - 08:36 AM
i assume your talking about the jib blocks - again lots of ways to attach these - sometimes they are static and attached through holes in the tramp - sometimes attached there is a wire or line that goes across the tramp (port to starboard) that the blocks are attached to. with the use of another line (and turning block) that pulls the blocks out to the side of the boat (outhauled for downwind sailing) or allows them to slide inboard (inhauled for up wind use)
we will have to see what you got and recommend how to rig it (or follow the set up manual)
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Posted: Aug 18, 2017 - 09:13 PM
There was likely a rope that connected the two jib blocks (one port and one starboard jib block) and had a jam cleat in the middle of the tramp that is used to bring the jib blocks in and let them out. This is the barberhaul system on a stock G-Cat 5.0. You do not need to run the line for the barber haul system through grommets on the tramp. Regarding the two straps running aft on the new tramp, those are just foot straps.
Ok, I will get more pics posted soon to show what I have to work with. I think I have the mainsheet figured out. But its the jib sheet I'm not sure about. When I had the old aft tramp installed, there were two grommet holes on the tramp with a rope through each that was part of the jib rigging. But when I received the new aft tramp, it doesn't have these grommet holes, rather it has two straps running fore and aft with a loop....I'll have to provide a pic. Is this the barber haul?[/quote]
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Posted: Aug 19, 2017 - 06:30 AM
This is not the barber haul system - The barber hauler refers to moving the jib (clew/aft lower corner) forward (to the front beam) and out (to the ends of the front beam).
This is called a 4 way adjuster if it can move port/stbd/forward/aft
it can be refereed to as an jib outhaul system, but defiantly not the barber-hauler -
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Posted: Aug 19, 2017 - 07:38 PM
I have a stock G-Cat 5.0 that I love. It's a super simple boat to rig. The main is a loose footed setup but you need a boom. It works fine without one but it's slower. The jib is a lot like my Hobie 20 - zippered up the forestay, but it likes to be a bit loose - small diameter line at the bridals barely snug - because when you sheet in the main hard you didn't want to bust the zipper on the jib. There's no 4 way system. There's a 6" wire at each jib block that lets you pull them in with a simple jam/block cleat in the middle of the tramp for up wind. Loosen it for downwind and both blocks travel out and up to fill up the jib. Great design.
If you're going to Juana's good time regatta find me. I'll have my G-Cat there on the beach. Take it for a spin!
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Posted: Aug 19, 2017 - 08:14 PM
Fxloop has a beautiful GCat. probably the nicest looking old boat I've seen
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Posted: Aug 21, 2017 - 08:02 AM
See FXLoop's comment about there not being a 4 way adjustment. I agree with that. Also, I assure you, the GCat has a barberhauler that connects the two jib blocks with line and a small block with a jam cleat. For a visual, please refer the the GCat assembly guide posted on this site...look at the portion of the guide aptly labeled "barber hauler". -
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Posted: Aug 21, 2017 - 08:09 AM
The jib blocks attach to the hulls with a short swaged wire line. They Do NOT connect to the tramp, nor can the short wire be threaded through a grommet on the tramp.i am noticing a trend with your GCat related posts. -
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Posted: Aug 21, 2017 - 08:37 AM
i said "4 way adjuster if it can move port/stbd/forward/aft"
"Easy Rigging a Barber Hauler on Your Boat
A Barber Hauler was invented by the Barber brothers. They wanted to be able to further control the shape of the jibsail and the position of the jibsail clew. On cruising boats, its not sometimes practical to go to all the extra expense of installing all the gear they originally suggested and so various forms of achieving this have been devised and loosely now they are all called Barber Haulers."
It may be loosely correct to call any system that adjusts the clew a barberhauler but on a beach cat, it's typically expected to be a separate system (although Hobie does call a 4 way adjuster a barber hauler)
If you crew with sailors on a beach cat, and they order you to set the barberhauler - they will (typically) expect crew to pull the jib clew forward to the front beam via the barber-hauler, not the jib block outhaul, even if it has a 4 way system since adjusting the 4 way system is much more involved and time consuming than sheeting and cleating 1 line
Below are examples of typical beach catamaran setup of barberhauler - by adding line, turning blocks and some type of ring (or block) to pull the jib sheet - a secondary jib control system:
Yellow is the barberhauler line
green are the rings that pull the jib sheet into the right position to be barber-hauled
completely independent of the jib blocks which are on their own separate outhaul system (4 way adjuster since they can also move forward/aft)
In this image, if the person holding the jib moved the clew (corner) out to the end of the hull - this would be the typical location of a jib when a barber hauler is used
There are dozens and dozens of ways to rig your cat - you CAN connect to the tramp, or run the wire/line through above or under your tramp - depends on needs and wants of the capt.
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Posted: Aug 21, 2017 - 06:46 PM
The question was how to rig a G-Cat, presumably as it was designed. See here:
https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=77824&g2_imageViewsIndex=1&g2_GALLERYSID=fafa3e357f8675431b356efc9f10fd7e
and diagram "C" here:
https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=77828&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Hope this helps.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2017 - 08:20 AM
OP said when he purchased the boat the jib was rigged through grommets on his tramp. This was not rigged as per the old 5.0 manual. nothing wrong with doing it that way. Every method of rigging has its pros & cons
Specifically, the questions was about how to rig his jib now that his new gear (tramp) did not include the grommets the old system was utilizing. It was suggested he provide images of his current gear and look at the manual in the second response to his post. The links were posted 5 times above? no real need for you to repeat all that data.
It was also posted to the OP "we will have to see what you got and recommend how to rig it (or follow the set up manual)"
The designer / creator of G-cat doesn't rig his 5.0 (currently) the way that old manual shows (I sailed with him saturday and was looking at his set up )
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Posted: Aug 22, 2017 - 08:45 AM
I've been told my hulls should be finished this weekend. If that's the case, I'll be able to install the new tramps and start playing with the rigging. Will get some pics posted as soon as I can.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2017 - 09:00 AM
awesome!
did you say your getting the work done in Mexico ?
where will you mostly sail?
Sent you a Private Message as well
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