Hi Sam,
I agree completely on both your latest posts, but any person should avoid doing things they don´t fix. We shall not assume people don´t use their brains. If you are thinking of me, I am doing this of curiosity and to learn. The idea of not using Dyneema on a recreational funboat is a really good advice.
1 If one don´t forget to put on the thinking cap it will be solved, even if this could be considered to be a nobrainer.
2 Same as 1. One could also do like Nacra did earlier and use NICO-pressings. But to press a 4mm 19part is not so easy. Lots of swearing before they´re done.
3 Same as 1. I am surprised people don´t "unstretch"(don´t know the english word for it) their rigs after racing/sailing, though. Even in my Tornado-racing days in the 80´s this was common practice. I also expected people had invested in a tensiometer. I am now upgrading my 7:1 "boatbreaker" for the forestay to 10:1, to make things easier.
Synthetic rigging is quite new to the market, so everyone will surely learn and the material will also get better and better.
Will keep a close eye on what happens to the Dux "Fatty". Have also ordered 5mm Liros D-Pro Static to evaluate. Will also try to do a conversion table for my Rig Sense for static tension of the types I use. I have two smaller dinghys and the catamaran to deal with, all with different types of Dyneema rigging. The 49er I am rebuilding will keep its 3mm Dyform shrouds but will be tried with the 5mm Liros as forestay as this anyway needs to be replaced.
Edited by revintage on Jul 06, 2018 - 05:14 AM.
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Posted: Jul 05, 2018 - 05:29 PM
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Posted: Jul 06, 2018 - 01:48 PM
Most people on this site are recreational sailors whom have 20 year-old legacy boats whom don’t care own a loos gauge, nor know how to splice – nor interested in having to resplice their rigging after creep/stretch come into play
“No Brainers” = your knowledge base – not everyone here is an engineer
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Posted: Jul 06, 2018 - 02:25 PM
Hey MN3,
Then, those who are not interested, will not care about my posts. What about those who want to learn more, like me, should we be excluded?
Thought this forum was for everyone, like Sam, Mike, you and others, for those who are more technically interested?
Sorry if this is not to your liking, maybe subtle language problems?
Edited by revintage on Jul 06, 2018 - 02:34 PM.
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Posted: Jul 06, 2018 - 02:40 PM
my statement was mostly to emphasize that many people here do not optimize to the level you do
your input is valuable and appreciated
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Posted: Jul 06, 2018 - 04:28 PM
Thanks MN3,
Doing what I can to have a new, nice beachcat journey.I love this new material world, since I left the cat world and now returned more than 30 years later, as retired from boring daytime work. Still curious, though!
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Posted: Jan 24, 2019 - 12:01 AM
For fear of bringing up a dead topic, I actually use this stuff on my boat. Ill have to go out tomorrow morning and do some pictures as my boat is at the fiberglass doctor getting a bottom job done and i have the mast in the backyard, so you will have to bear with that aspect. However, I love the stuff, it took one day sailing in high wind to settle the little settling that it need to seat, since then it hasnt stretched one bit. It also has allowed me to set the boat up quicker and with less hassle.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2019 - 10:11 AM
Lars,
You are the exception rather than the rule I would say. Otherwise Hobie wouldn't have developed the comp-tip back in the early 80's and the General Aviation Manufacturers wouldn't have been taken to the ringer by the families of loved ones lost in airplane accidents that in most cases were their owners faults. Hence we have diminishing sales of new beach cats and new four place airplanes that cost >$500k rather than~3x the cost of a standard SUV like they did back in the 60's.
Anyway, back to dux, I am certainly interested in what you determine during sailing. I agree that taking rig tension off overnight is prudent (even carbon isn't happy in compression) but also not the easiest thing to do all the time. Our biggest issue with the stuff at present is it sings at higher speeds which is really annoying when trying to think about tactics etc.
