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ventnor_cat

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 02:00 PM

Hi guys,
New to the forum from Southern NJ, 57 year young 190 lb male.
I currently own a Designers Choice with a jib (DC-15). I live at the bay, and can sail in a small area without having bridges opened...

I just had the opportunity to sail a Hobie Wave in the Ocean in Jamaica. Seems this is the boat of choice at resorts. This boat was fun to sail solo, but a bit slow...

So now I have the itch for Ocean Sailing, I have the opportunity to store a Cat on the Beach.
The only limit is 16' max on our beach.

I plan on mainly taking one or 2 others with me, but eventually when I'm comfortable, going solo.
Can someone please give me some insight as to the best boat, and reasons why. H16 or Getaway ?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Ventnor_Cat
badfish

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 02:07 PM

Are those two models the only options you want to explore? I’ll assume so.
My choice would be H16. Can be purchased used cheap, massive used parts market and a well proven design.
Only downside is they don’t like to be loaded up with weight and can be a handful solo.

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Joshua

Texas Gulf Coast
'82 Prindle 16 (Badfish)
'02 Hobie Wave (Unnamed Project)
‘87 Hobie 18 (Sold)
‘89 Hobie 17 (ill-advised project boat, Sold)
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ventnor_cat

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 02:15 PM

Badfish,
Thanks for the quick reply. I am not limited to any boat. I would ideally like to stay under 3k.

I would like to eventually solo, and if i'm limited to two people thats fine too..
badfish

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 02:26 PM

ventnor_catBadfish,
Thanks for the quick reply. I am not limited to any boat. I would ideally like to stay under 3k.

I would like to eventually solo, and if i'm limited to two people thats fine too..

There's options out there. Nacra 5.0, Prindle 16 are the first off my head. I would suggest getting involved with a local group and start taking some rides. You'll find one you like and they're all pretty solid boats.

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Joshua

Texas Gulf Coast
'82 Prindle 16 (Badfish)
'02 Hobie Wave (Unnamed Project)
‘87 Hobie 18 (Sold)
‘89 Hobie 17 (ill-advised project boat, Sold)
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klozhald

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 02:41 PM

ventnor_catSo now I have the itch for Ocean Sailing,

Here's the rub. The H16 is a 70 year-old design. The hulls are small and the frame is problematic.

Think about another similar-sized cat with more volume in the hulls for ocean sailing (where the hulls are connected by a set of crossbars instead of a raised platform). Look at one of the other high volume Hobies, a Prindle, or a NACRA in your price range.
When you look at the other Hobie models, you'll realize that they got away from the small volume hulls and the raised platform pretty quickly, starting with the Hobie 18 in 1976. There was good reason for this.

Ocean sailing is really fun, and quite a challenge. A cat with lots of hull volume will be more forgiving in the waves.
My $0.02

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Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
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badfish

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 02:51 PM

klozhald
ventnor_catSo now I have the itch for Ocean Sailing,

Here's the rub. The H16 is a 70 year-old design. The hulls are small and the frame is problematic.

Think about another similar-sized cat with more volume in the hulls for ocean sailing (where the hulls are connected by a set of crossbars instead of a raised platform). Look at one of the other high volume Hobies, a Prindle, or a NACRA in your price range.
When you look at the other Hobie models, you'll realize that they got away from the small volume hulls and the raised platform pretty quickly, starting with the Hobie 18 in 1976. There was good reason for this.

Ocean sailing is really fun, and quite a challenge. A cat with lots of hull volume will be more forgiving in the waves.
My $0.02

Worth while to point out the original design brief for the H16 was beach launching and ocean sailing. It is probably the most widely sailed boat off the beaches in the world. The Worrell 1000 was started on H16. That's not saying some boats are better, but I wouldn't skip out on one.

Edited by badfish on Mar 21, 2019 - 02:56 PM.

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Joshua

Texas Gulf Coast
'82 Prindle 16 (Badfish)
'02 Hobie Wave (Unnamed Project)
‘87 Hobie 18 (Sold)
‘89 Hobie 17 (ill-advised project boat, Sold)
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gahamby

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 03:14 PM

Bummer about the 16' limit. If you want to sail 2-3 people 18' plus would be better.

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Virginia
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ventnor_cat

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 03:30 PM

gahambyBummer about the 16' limit. If you want to sail 2-3 people 18' plus would be better.

This is what opened my eyes to the Getaway... but seems most reviews I have read kinda said its the Minivan of sailing... I dont plan on racing at this point, but would be nice to have the best of both worlds.. be able to go for leasurly ride with non sailers, and also to be able to get white nuckels from time to time..
MN3

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 04:22 PM

"Here's the rub. The H16 is a 70 year-old design. The hulls are small and the frame is problematic"
sorry but that's not accurate

In 1967, Alter designed the Hobie 14 Catamaran.- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobie_Cat
The Hobie 16 was unleashed on the Southern California beach scene in 1970 and sailing was instantly transformed. - https://www.hobie.com/sail/hobie-16/

That makes the h16 48 years old
MN3

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 04:24 PM

"This is what opened my eyes to the Getaway... but seems most reviews I have read kinda said its the Minivan of sailing... I dont plan on racing at this point, but would be nice to have the best of both worlds.. be able to go for leasurly ride with non sailers, and also to be able to get white nuckels from time to time.."

Getaway is a great compromise
lots of room for people (esp with wings) but can still fly a hull and spray you in the face
you wont be beating any modern performance cats but you will be out there with them having fun
nohuhu

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 04:41 PM

Getaway. All fun, no worries.

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Dogboy

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 05:21 PM

Technically speaking, both the Hobie 16 (16’-7”) and Getaway (17’) exceed your 16’ length limit.

Just saying- you might want to talk to other locals to see how strict the town actually is with that limit. Where in NJ are you sailing?

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dssaak

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 07:47 PM

If you are going to be moving that boat on the beach by yourself, you may want to look at one of the lighter 16' boats available today. I have no problem pushing my Blades around on beach wheels and it checks off a few other boxes mentioned here.

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dk

Blade F-16
Hobie 14
Corsair F-242
Mirage 25 (Sold)
Hobie Tiger (Sold)
Hobie Tiger (Sold)
TomCat 6.2 (Sold)
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nohuhu

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 08:17 PM

The pre-2017 Hobie Getaways are still “under 17 ft”.

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martyr

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 08:28 PM

Hmmm, worth noting that the Hobie 16 is still in production after all these years. Just saying.

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1984 Hobie 16 Redline Yellow Nationals, "Yellow Fever"
Opelika, Al / Lake Martin
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badfish

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 09:13 PM

dssaakIf you are going to be moving that boat on the beach by yourself, you may want to look at one of the lighter 16' boats available today. I have no problem pushing my Blades around on beach wheels and it checks off a few other boxes mentioned here.

Doesn’t meet OPs 3,000 budget.

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Joshua

Texas Gulf Coast
'82 Prindle 16 (Badfish)
'02 Hobie Wave (Unnamed Project)
‘87 Hobie 18 (Sold)
‘89 Hobie 17 (ill-advised project boat, Sold)
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nohuhu

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 09:30 PM

A real survivor, unlike the Hobie T2, which IS 16ft AND rotomolded like the Getaway AND has a spin. Hobie appears to have pulled this “new generation of Hobie Cat“ in the US, after just a couple of years.

Maybe you can find one of these orphaned boats at a discount.

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onekiwi

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Posted: Mar 21, 2019 - 11:55 PM

48 is the new 70 lol A Prindle 16 with good solid hulls is hard to beat and you can stack more people on it.I think you can buy a Dart 16 in the USA maybe hard to find though

Edited by onekiwi on Mar 21, 2019 - 11:57 PM.

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Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
Acat
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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MN3

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Posted: Mar 22, 2019 - 08:06 AM

g cat 5.0 is a pretty great boat
larryhts

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Posted: Mar 23, 2019 - 07:13 AM

I went with the Getaway. Love the boat. Easy to rig from the trailer. Up to 6 people. Funnnnnn.

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Larry
Mirage Tandem Island -sold
Hobie Bravo -sold
1979 Prindle 18 Sold
2019 Hobie Getaway
Polk City, Florida
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