Probably going to step in it here, but... I sail from a narrow fearsome concrete boat launch flanked by evil rip-rap. Frequently I come in to a lee shore. So, I de-power 50 yards out by pulling down my main. But I wind up with a pile of sail no matter how much I wrestle it down. Anybody heard of stringing up lazy-jacks on a beach cat?
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Posted: Jun 16, 2019 - 05:25 PM
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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 07:23 AM
Never seen it but don't understand the need or how it would work.
Why not lower the sail, flake it over the boom (that's now resting on the rear crossbar) and tie it the same way you would on a keelboat?
Our booms rise and lower dramatically depending on sail trim, lazy jacks would impede this movement, no?
I would suggest adding furler before going through the trouble of designing a lazy jack system. Furl away the jib and the boat settles down in all but nuclear conditions.
Just seems like the better call to me not knowing anything of the boat launch layout.
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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 10:33 AM
A Lazy jack seems a bit overkill to me too. I lower the main very often to land the boat, I just roll it up and tie it wiht the mainsheet. I take more space though, in case something goes wrong when lowering the main, like the halyard entangled or stuff like that.
Here at the end of the video: 4:12 https://vimeo.com/201367382
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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 11:23 AM
wow - that sounds harsh - and i don't even know what it means (rip-rap?)
if you anchor - you can take your time and roll up your sail and it will talk up very little room (but still be a pita on the deck)
i would think standard lazy jack system would create a real tangle hazard in a capsize or worse in any turtle situation - you could rig something that ran up and down the mast for storage ... but seems like a lot of work and additional spaghetti,
i would explore all other options.
i.e furling jib, anchor, perfecting your backing up skills, etc -
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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 11:33 AM
Loosely packed rock/stone/broken concrete to stop erosion.
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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 11:39 AM
gotcha - thanks -
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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 11:59 AM
Just happened to be reading my Prindle owners' manual and noticed it said to do that w/ the rolled up main, as a way to initially secure it.
Haven't yet had occasion to try rolling up my main while on the water though. Imagine that could be a handful if it's blowing.
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Posted: Jun 17, 2019 - 12:06 PM
Mad respect for you guys that launch and retrieve from concrete ramps. Only did it a few times when I was in the Keys and if it was my normal routine I'd probably only sail on youtube
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Posted: Jun 18, 2019 - 10:20 AM
Has anyone out there seen a beachcat with slugs/sliders on the main? What would be the downside? It would help Prindle 16's "pile of sails" problem.
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Posted: Jun 18, 2019 - 10:50 AM
I use slugs in the head of my main so when it is reefed the bolt rope can't pop out of the track
my 6.0 had slugs in the entire main when it was owned by a previous owner
i see no advantage to them in a beachcat besides the lack of swelling that can happen in a used /old sail boltrope
I have seen them jam up on a mono during sail raising
not sure how they would help in any way with the "pile of sails" - you still end up with sails all over your deck/regardless of luff system - -
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Posted: Jun 18, 2019 - 03:57 PM
I think it could work. Too much hassle to me though -
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Posted: Jun 18, 2019 - 04:03 PM
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Posted: Jun 18, 2019 - 05:40 PM
By keeping them on the track when lowering the main. Some sort of stopper is needed. -
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Posted: Jun 18, 2019 - 11:38 PM
I have a lazy jack system I'm not using if your looking for one
Edited by in812 on Jun 19, 2019 - 12:40 AM.
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Posted: Jun 19, 2019 - 08:08 AM
Ahhh - gotcha - yes i think you are right that if you dropped the main onto the boom and left most of the slugs in the track it would help contain the main a bit.
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