Edited by JohnES on Jul 29, 2019 - 12:11 PM.
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John Schwartz
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Posted: Jul 29, 2019 - 02:02 PM
Has anyone come up with a way to mount one of these with a roller furler set up on a Prindle
Edited by JohnES on Jul 29, 2019 - 12:11 PM.
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John Schwartz
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Posted: Jul 29, 2019 - 03:21 PM
What style furler are you using? There is a bracket for the Hobie style furler to mount that telocat. You might be able to mount this style on a ronstan or harken furler drum.
Edited by pknapp66 on Jul 29, 2019 - 03:41 PM.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2019 - 03:22 PM
yes
throw it in the trash and add a 5" piece of cassette tape to your bridal (one on each side)
Rick White used to swear Abba (tape) was the fastest
I actually use vhf tape - it is thicker and lasts longer than audio tape -
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Posted: Jul 29, 2019 - 05:32 PM
I tried only once with the tello cat, it lasted about a week, i didn’t bother replacing it. You will break it sooner or later passing under the bridles. It was nice to have it, especially the wires at each side, to have a pointing angle reference. Someday i’ll figure out something for that purpose. Meanwhile i tie some red stripes stollen from the sewing box. (I don’t know what a cassette or VHS tape is...
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Posted: Jul 29, 2019 - 05:42 PM
Don't know what a VHF tape is, either...
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Posted: Jul 29, 2019 - 07:00 PM
Beta Tape is Better.
John - I haven't been able to figure out how to mount a wind vane with the Harken Roller. Or a good way to mount a GoPro, since there's no shroud adjuster anymore.
Maybe if we added a small triangle bridal plate and drilled that for various attachments?
I worry it will throw my jib geometry off, though.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 08:36 AM
really guys - tape works just as well as a bridal weather vane
I have about 35 miles of tape if anyone needs any -
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 11:01 AM
Cassette tape. Preference for Mariah Carey tapes. Will go with Too Live Crew in a pinch.
Bonus, you can put it anywhere you want.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 11:40 AM
I guess I need an education from those more experienced than me (which is probably most on here).
I mostly use a telocat. I have not found a place to mount one on the I20 with an end pole snuffer. I put
some cassette tape on the bridles and shrouds and went out sailing. As we were sailing on a reach I turned up and down maybe 15 degrees or so (estimated of course). I asked my crew if he saw any significant changes
in the tape. We both agreed that there was not much noticeable change. With the telocat the change is quite
apparent when the wind or boat course changes. So what am I missing that makes the tape as good as the telocat or wind vane? I also find it a lot easier to judge my downwind course with the telocat.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 12:21 PM
If you have a spin pole rigged i would put tape on the spin bridals too - the spin can add lots of wind interference at the (jib) bridal and provide false results
the tape should flow identical to the weather vane (arrow) - showing you exactly where the apparent wind is when moving and where the true wind is when static
the telocat's only "bonus" are those 2 wires (Reference Arms) showing you the 45* mark (or whatever you have them set to)
you just have to "imagine" those are there (if you used them as a tacking guide)
I am not a fan of tape on the shrouds, they are not in your line of sight and take your eyes off course to observe.
Most of the sailors i sail with use nothing - they feel the wind on their face, set course and use their jib tel-tales to see minor wind changes
I prefer some tape on my bridals - as it is in my line of sight at all times
(edit) just noticed the "we were on a reach"
at that angle of attack, you are maxing out your boat speed and apparent wind - i wouldn't exoect anything more than a quick and small change in the tape and would be hard to notice
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 12:25 PM
Very high Frequency tape
it vibrates much faster than other tapes - so fast humans can't hear it (but my dog can)
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 01:10 PM
You should be sailing to the kite's power. Its why crew communication is essential.
The rule that was expressed to me when I started on F18 was...
Upwind - Skipper's head is in the boat making sure they keep her moving and crew's head is out of the boat calling tactics.
Downwind - Reverse that. Skippers head is out the boat calling tactics and crew's focus is keep the kite pulling.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 04:08 PM
I’m surprised no one is using spare tell tales for this.
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 04:17 PM
I have in the past -
problem is, no matter if I buy tell tales (non stop nylon), use yarn, or magnetic tape - they are gonna get caught/fouled at some point.
tape doesn't last as long (usually fade or tear) but i have 4,000,000 feet of tape from my youth
tel-tales cost more than a 6pack - why buy when "I have" -
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Posted: Aug 05, 2019 - 08:00 PM
maybe i need to revisit this device ...
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Posted: Aug 06, 2019 - 08:30 AM
Nah. They're not looking at it, it's probably only there to gather telemetry for later analysis.
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Posted: Aug 06, 2019 - 09:03 AM
I guess when you are doing 50 knots ... you know where the apparent wind is -
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Posted: Aug 06, 2019 - 09:39 AM
Precisely. At 50 knots, its easy. Forward, that's where.
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