My second Hobie 16, ready to go

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waiex191

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Posted: Aug 07, 2021 - 06:35 PM

We finished up a bunch of details today.

We had a few discoveries:
1) The main is a lot easier to raise. I think the old main halyard sheave is probably shot.
2) The jib is a lot easier to raise. We pulled out the old jib halyard sheave and it was badly worn - I don't think it was spinning at all. The new one was a little worn, had a bigger OD, and I greased it up.
3) Since I got a closer look at the rest of the hull, other people have done bodywork on it. No worries, as long as it doesn't break or leak.
4) We had been using the step hinge installed backwards. Now the mast always drops in.

First sail tomorrow.

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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Shawn

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Posted: Aug 07, 2021 - 08:10 PM

Great job! I can't wait to hear how it goes tomorrow.
Shawn
waiex191

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Posted: Aug 08, 2021 - 03:38 PM

The winds were not great, but we sailed about 3 hours. Not quite enough to fly a hull. Nothing broke, we didn't run over any kayaks, and not much water came out of the hulls when we were done. I'd call it a success!

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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waiex191

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Posted: Aug 08, 2021 - 10:03 PM

Here's some video.
https://youtu.be/ctRyYkEnXnQ

Not our most exciting.

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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tominpa

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Posted: Aug 08, 2021 - 10:08 PM

Looks like your wind was a bit better than mine today. Any day sailing your cat is a good one! Next time, splash some water on the lens. :)

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waiex191

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Posted: Aug 09, 2021 - 03:00 PM

At the very end of the video, we were close to flying a hull and the wind turned off. We almost capsized into the wind that wasn't there! Had I not had a foot hooked under the strap I would have been in the water.

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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MN3

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Posted: Aug 09, 2021 - 05:08 PM

you found the hole! (no wind)

besides the hole, it looked like perfect wind to test newly repaired and rigged boat

if you are desperate to get a hull up do the "wild thing" (sit on the low side). it is actually a racing technique that has been around forever but it can get pretty exciting in an unexpected puff.

but in light to mid air, (if you want to play or are actually racing) get your crew to move in more and more till you power up (or out/ down) as needed.

Quotead I not had a foot hooked under the strap I would have been in the water.

amazing how critical a $10 piece of webbing (est retail) is vital for safe (and dry) sailing

Edited by MN3 on Aug 09, 2021 - 05:10 PM.
waiex191

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Posted: Aug 09, 2021 - 05:57 PM

MN3
but in light to mid air, (if you want to play or are actually racing) get your crew to move in more and more till you power up (or out/ down) as needed.

We will try that. Would give us more practice time flying a hull.

MN3amazing how critical a $10 piece of webbing (est retail) is vital for safe (and dry) sailing

Here is the webbing I bought and sewed on! The old webbing was rotten.
https://www.amazon.com/gp…asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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MN3

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Posted: Aug 10, 2021 - 08:18 AM

Good example of the "wild thing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS0aA7tS04k

as per your "light air" ... it looked heavenly to me

current sailing conditions here on the gulf

humid and 92" water (gross)
2 knot easterly shifting for an hour until 1pm the seabreas sets in fully (painful to roast on a boat not moving, jumping in gross salt water doesn't help much)

moderate amount of dead fish in the water, tons on the islands, med to high concentrations of (over 1 mill parts per liter) red tide and afternoon lightning

I haven't sailed in 2 months - almost last weekend but high levels of red tide and those exact wind conditions.

Hoping again in 2 weeks, but wont be sailing a lot until fall weather and the algae blooms die off

Edited by MN3 on Aug 10, 2021 - 08:23 AM.
Edchris177

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Posted: Aug 10, 2021 - 08:51 AM

Quotemoderate amount of dead fish in the water, tons on the islands, med to high concentrations of (over 1 mill parts per liter) red tide and afternoon lightning

Come up to my place, the border is now open to vaccinated American citizens. Waters a comfortable 27C (80F), water visibility 20’, & the winds today 30kph,(18moh), with stronger gust if a thunderstorm occurs.
Of course from November til next May, I’d sooner be in your water!

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waiex191

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Posted: Aug 10, 2021 - 09:17 AM

I did a lot of sailing last fall. Tends to get windy and with a wetsuit it is good to about 50 degrees F. I think I had to quit late November due to temperatures.

The good thing about the plains states is we invented wind here. Not much to stop it.

I like the wild thing video. Besides learning to fly the hull, I think we need to get to deep water and practice capsizing and righting the boat. Then we would have the courage to hang it out a little more and maybe do the wild thing.

Edited by waiex191 on Aug 10, 2021 - 09:22 AM.

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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MN3

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Posted: Aug 10, 2021 - 10:39 AM

QuoteCome up to my place, the border is now open to vaccinated American citizens

Can you swing by and grab me via plane? i will bring a spinnaker we can rig on one of your cats :)
MN3

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Posted: Aug 10, 2021 - 10:42 AM

QuoteThe good thing about the plains states is we invented wind here.

haha - i spent a few months in Waukegan ( all of Oct and Nov)... windy and brrrrrrrrrrr

Quoteneed to get to deep water and practice capsizing and righting the boat. Then we would have the courage to hang it out a little more and maybe do the wild thing.

Yea, you're gonna flip if you do this often
Edchris177

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Posted: Aug 10, 2021 - 11:19 PM

MN3
QuoteCome up to my place, the border is now open to vaccinated American citizens

Can you swing by and grab me via plane? i will bring a spinnaker we can rig on one of your cats :)

Unfortunately, no. Your Govt will not yet let Canadians in for non essential travel. Bit of a bummer. I used to make numerous trips across the Line each year.
Half my neighbours here own property in Florida, & haven’t been down for 18 months.
We had primo conditions today...overcast, so no sunburn, 30C, humid, & steady wind of 35kph. My wife was soaked, even being on the wings.
A neighbour came out, with his 1973 H16. He bought a brand new set of sails for $700. Apparently a sailing school in the US went under before delivery, & the vendor was trying to cut his losses. Nice colours, & fast. We did a bunch of 5 miles legs. He had the 16 airborne off some of the big waves/swells.

Edited by Edchris177 on Aug 10, 2021 - 11:21 PM.

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Hobie 18 Magnum
Dart 15
Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.0
Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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rattlenhum

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Posted: Aug 15, 2021 - 07:03 AM

waiex191
4) We had been using the step hinge installed backwards. Now the mast always drops in.

For the past few years, I've achieved a pretty high level of confidence that I've screwed up everything one possibly can on a H16. I've continued to screw things up, but they have been repeat screw ups, not new ones. Until the week before last on vacation in Dauphin Island AL, that is.

Despite the big arrow and large font word "UP" stamped on its side, I installed my hinge upside down. Funny thing is mine worked pretty well that way!

Glad to hear of the fun you're having with your boats, man!

Edited by rattlenhum on Aug 15, 2021 - 07:05 AM.

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jonathan162

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Posted: Aug 15, 2021 - 11:07 AM

Edchris177
Unfortunately, no. Your Govt will not yet let Canadians in for non essential travel. Bit of a bummer. I used to make numerous trips across the Line each year.

Don't get me started. We routinely go down to Montana to sail and range outward from there, and this is the second summer that we've been shut out - even though a week ago the Canadian border was opened to Americans. The continued closure makes no sense at all. Even Bill Maher raised it on his show on Friday.

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waiex191

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Posted: Aug 15, 2021 - 12:06 PM

rattlenhum
Despite the big arrow and large font word "UP" stamped on its side, I installed my hinge upside down. Funny thing is mine worked pretty well that way!

In our defense, our step hinge does not have an arrow or an "UP" stamp!

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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waiex191

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Posted: Sep 11, 2021 - 06:38 PM

One of the good things about putting hatches on the boat is it lets you add a fuse for a hull pressure test. I taped over the hole, figuring the tape should fail before the hull. If the hull failed first, then it's probably toast anyway. I also used my little shop vac, instead of the big one, and didn't plug the hose in all the way. You really don't need much pressure.

And hey - I found a leak!
https://youtu.be/FCjPAok_XLI

When I took off all the silicone, and sanded out the cracked gelcoat, the glass looks like it had a void from the beginning (1978).

I put about 5 plies of 2oz cloth on, 3 on a straight cut and 2 on a 45 degree bias. I made each one a little shorter.

I actually took off all the silicone, sanded out the cracks in the gelcoat, and flooded them all with some resin.

Next I'll do another leak check, then wet sand & paint.

Also, no leaks from my repair that I ended up documenting on the ventilation hatch thread. I think that repair is pretty solid.

Edited by waiex191 on Sep 11, 2021 - 06:40 PM.

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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waiex191

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Posted: Sep 12, 2021 - 03:29 PM

I did another leak check and found a couple of small ones under the lip. This is just like looking for oil leaks on engines - get the big ones first, then the medium ones, then the small ones. I've ground out the gelcoat in the two leaky areas and have laminated a few plies under the lip. This hull should be good.

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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waiex191

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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 11:41 AM

Repairs complete. Wet sanding:

Paint progress:

Top now has two coats.

As I get closer to project completion, wind has been repealed again. Yesterday the wind was awesome.

Edited by waiex191 on Sep 15, 2021 - 11:43 AM.

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Bryan in Poplar Grove, IL
Supercat 17, unknown year. Future project
Hobie 16, 1977 - died a spectacular death https://youtu.be/Y7O22bp2MVA
Hobie 16, 1978 - current boat
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