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P.M.

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Posted: Sep 01, 2021 - 09:44 AM

This is the first Nacra 580 to hit the U.S. shores in 2007 as it is being put together.

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Posted: Sep 01, 2021 - 05:11 PM

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saskh18

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Posted: Sep 03, 2021 - 12:22 PM

Ok so I found a H18 with wings and new style rudders. The add says "custom seats" that makes me think they could be home made. Can anyone confirm if they are factory Hobie Wings? and if so are they SX or Magnum.

Thanks
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Posted: Sep 03, 2021 - 12:45 PM

IIrc, the (original) magnum wings were multiple parts bolted together, and the later sx wings were single-piece welded assemblies.

Other than that, very hard to tell anything from the pics - too fuzzy.

Edited by jonathan162 on Sep 03, 2021 - 04:45 PM.

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Posted: Sep 03, 2021 - 06:53 PM

Never sailed n580 but I talked my best sailing buddy to trade up to a N570 from a 18 Hobie, and he was glad he did. We sail Great South Bay and it gets shallow so daggers a hastle. Boom- the word comes from what it does to your head if you screw up- no boom on N570. I initially sailed hobie 18 with benches/ wings（ a must) in70 Levin the Atlantic off the beach- each time we surfed in daggers had to be removed and tie down securely! However for three era the H18 was awesome and never failed us(I did not singlehanded H18 in the Atlantic.
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Posted: Sep 03, 2021 - 09:32 PM

QuoteIIrc, the (original) magnum wings were multiple parts bolted together, and the later sx wings were single-piece welded assemblies.

My wings are single piece welded assemblies, & have Hobie Magnum stickers on them that look factory.

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jonathan162

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Posted: Sep 03, 2021 - 09:36 PM

Then I got it backwards... or they might not have been strict in the naming convention when transitioning from one to the other.

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Posted: Sep 04, 2021 - 12:37 AM

saskh18Ok so I found a H18 with wings and new style rudders. The add says "custom seats" that makes me think they could be home made. Can anyone confirm if they are factory Hobie Wings? and if so are they SX or Magnum.

Thanks

It looks like you embedded the thumbnails for the images, so they are really fuzzy.

Could you link to the page where you found the images?

What I can, tell it looks like those are the original Magnum wings that someone has welded additional plates as reinforcements.

The way to tell original Magnum wings from SX wings, the Magnums are all welded construction and shorter, they stop at the front beam.

The SX wings are riveted together by the dealers to make shipping easier since they are much longer. They extend past both front and rear beam. Especially the front extension is great to put crew weight forward in very light air.

If you are in such high wind that you need to sit on the back end of SX wings you are in for a wild ride!

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Posted: Sep 04, 2021 - 08:21 AM

Wings in my H18. Photo in post above didn’t link, I can’t find a way to get the proper link on an iPad.
https://www.thebeachcats.…ictures?g2_itemId=120201

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Posted: Sep 04, 2021 - 06:10 PM

Those wings look to be “customized” factory wings.

The original magnum wings were bent/welded tubing with seats that were only positioned between the front and rear crossbars.

The SX wings were a bent/welded oval seat that was riveted to two support arms. The SX wings were significantly longer than the magnum wings and extended about a foot in front of the front crossbar and a foot behind the rear crossbar.

The wings in saskh18’s post look to be a custom combination of magnum and SX wings where the seat stops at the front crossbar but extends about a foot or so aft of the rear crossbar.

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Posted: Sep 05, 2021 - 10:24 AM

Good catch Dogboy. The photos are crappy, but in the 2nd one it clearly shows extending back from the beam.
It also seems to have gussets attached at each pivot bar, which I’ve never seen on any wings.
Some had an extra tube, but not full gussets.
Perhaps someone really crashed the boat, or a tree fell on the wings, & they were “repaired”.

QuoteIf you are in such high wind that you need to sit on the back end of SX wings you are in for a wild ride!

I can only imagine. Two of us were sitting in the last few inches of my shorter Magnum wings a couple seasons ago, in a 25kt blow. The waves were stacked up to where green water crossed the tramp & literally ripped your feet to the stern. Only thing that kept us onboard was sitting on the wings.
Eventually, in a bigger gust, we crashed...& turtled, (though the H18 is relatively easy to unturtle with two adults).
My buddy was soloing the N5.0, turtled it, got onboard & looked to us for advice/help, only to see us turtled a few hundred meters away.
In that wind they almost self rights with a bit of hiking. My wife thought we were retards sailing in that but it was a good ride while it lasted!
SaskH18- here is a photo of Magnum wings. It’s not the greatest angle, it’s from when I picked up a neglected boat, (I have an album under Personal Albums on resurrecting it). The rear of the wing is a mirror image of the front.
https://www.thebeachcats.…193&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Edited by Edchris177 on Sep 05, 2021 - 10:34 AM.

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Posted: Sep 05, 2021 - 03:48 PM

Hobie 18 wings available, advertised on this site, but Nacra wings hard to come by, I had a prindle 16 with wings and it was stolen- benches(wings) prolong a sailors longevity at the helm- cats notorious back breakers