Hobie Wave < Perfect Boat < F-16

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danielt1263

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Posted: Oct 19, 2022 - 10:01 PM

I've been sailing Hobie Waves for years at the local sailing club (Clearwater Community Sailing Center, FL) and it getting a little old. I used to own a Taipan F-16 rig but I couldn't right it and it was generally too hot for what I'm looking for. What am I looking for?

I'm 150 lbs and sail single handed 90% of the time. Occasionally I take my wife (120 lbs) out for a sail. She's happy to get wet and handle a line but doesn't want to "learn to sail", so not much more than a passenger.

So I'm looking for something that isn't as hot as an F-16 but I still want the main & spinnaker setup. Probably skegs rather than daggerboards... At the momemt I'm thinking a Nacra 460 (do they still sell these?) or maybe a RS/Topaz 14.

Am I missing something? Am I being reasonable? Thanks in advance.

Edited by danielt1263 on Oct 19, 2022 - 11:02 PM.
georgeseary

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Posted: Oct 20, 2022 - 12:39 AM

Check the latest TheBeachcats.com Classified ads. Topcat K4 (I've never heard of it), but sounds like it would fit your needs.
Roller furling jib, roller genneker, and wings! (they help a lot when soloing); All in a 15' boardless design.

Edited by georgeseary on Oct 20, 2022 - 01:45 AM.
shortyfox

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Posted: Oct 20, 2022 - 07:42 AM

Nacra 500 or its predecessor the 5.0. Even though you mostly sail solo, there will be times when you want to take a friend especially if it's too windy and out of your single handing "comfort zone". I owned one for ten years and ninety per cent of the time I was by myself. It was a great single hander and with my light weight it was very responsive. During that time, I was well into my 60's, 150 lbs and was still able to step the mast solo. As far as righting is concerned, there are plenty of devices to help you, like bags or even a gin pole stowed under the boat.

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danielt1263

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Posted: Oct 20, 2022 - 05:27 PM

georgesearyCheck the latest TheBeachcats.com Classified ads. Topcat K4 (I've never heard of it), but sounds like it would fit your needs.
Roller furling jib, roller genneker, and wings! (they help a lot when soloing); All in a 15' boardless design.Edited by georgeseary on Oct 20, 2022 - 01:45 AM.

It's a German boat https://topcat.de/en/boats/k4x/. As far as I can tell, they have no US dealers. You have to order direct from them and they ship the boat to you. It's a good deal lighter than the Nacra 460... Hmm...
Shawn

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Posted: Oct 21, 2022 - 09:22 AM

The Topcat looks like a cool boat with the exception of the rudder system. It's a cassette system and I doubt it kicks up on impact. I took a look at the assembly manual and it says the rudder cassette must be completely closed when sailing or it will be damaged which makes it seem complex and delicate. This would be a deal breaker for me, but if you always sailed in deep water it may be fine.
gdog

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Posted: Oct 21, 2022 - 09:44 AM

Looking at the one in the classifieds being sold by east coast sailboats, I would assume they are a dealer. The boat looks brand new and there is another one sitting next to it? The rudders might be the deal breaker for a beachcat as they don't look to be kick up.
martin_langhoff

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Posted: Oct 21, 2022 - 11:25 AM

danielt1263 - we were sailing there couple weeks ago. Plenty of options. I think I spotted a Nacra 500 (or 520?) for sale at the northern fenced lot. There's also a red Weta there which may be for sale.

You could get your hands on a Nacra 15 (2nd hand) - which can be sailed depowered, or you can power it up and it's a hoot. It can be righted solo by an adult (at your weight, might need a water bag to assist - I right it with 170lbs).

You could get a "previous generation" a-cat. Or a modern F16 – similar to N15 above for soloing and two-handed.

Definitely talk to Robbie and Jill (Red Gear Racing) – they work from there, have some boats for sale, and/or will have info on good deals. Even if you buy elsewhere, talk to Robbie about having a session with him to squeeze the juice out of it, and perhaps learn handling in difficult conditions.

Clearwater is possibly one of the best venues ever for a beach cat.
MN3

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Posted: Oct 21, 2022 - 03:58 PM

QuoteDefinitely talk to Robbie and Jill (Red Gear Racing) – they work from there, have some boats for sale, and/or will have info on good deals. Even if you buy elsewhere, talk to Robbie about having a session with him to squeeze the juice out of it, and perhaps learn handling in difficult conditions.

Clearwater is possibly one of the best venues ever for a beach cat.

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rodgers

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Posted: Oct 22, 2022 - 01:58 PM

Hobie 17 with a righting pole would fit the bill.
jlooby

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Posted: Oct 24, 2022 - 10:40 AM

If spending ~$7000+ you should also evaluate a Weta.
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danielt1263

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Posted: Oct 25, 2022 - 08:50 PM

Well, I got the Topcat K4X. For the curious, I looked into the rudders and the do have a kick-up feature. It should be substantially more fun than the Hobie Wave has been.
layla

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Posted: Dec 08, 2022 - 09:05 PM

Never sailed before. People say start sailing on a Sunfish or a Laser. But never liked them. I'll buy a Hobie Wave instead. At 140lb, can I learn sailing on that?

Edited by layla on Dec 08, 2022 - 09:09 PM.
pt_pinos

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Posted: Dec 08, 2022 - 10:09 PM

The wave is a perfectly competent boat to learn basic sailing in, you might learn different habits in it than a small monohull but the principles would be the same. What might be a problem is moving the boat itself around. At 245 lbs its a menace to move around on land, especially by yourself.

laylaNever sailed before. People say start sailing on a Sunfish or a Laser. But never liked them. I'll buy a Hobie Wave instead. At 140lb, can I learn sailing on that?Edited by layla on Dec 08, 2022 - 09:09 PM.
dssaak

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Posted: Dec 09, 2022 - 08:54 AM

I would have to disagree with that statement. My Blade comes in at about that same weight and on a set of beach wheels it moves without issue. Even now that I am old(er), I roll the Blade a few hundred yards from the 'pasture'' to the shore each time I sail it. Pretty easy to do.

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layla

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Posted: Dec 09, 2022 - 11:05 AM

With a dolly, I'll be alright.
layla

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Posted: Dec 09, 2022 - 11:21 AM

pt_pinosThe wave is a perfectly competent boat to learn basic sailing in, you might learn different habits in it than a small monohull but the principles would be the same.

Many told me otherwise. Why should I start on a tippy monohull if I can learn on this instead?
https://youtu.be/e3PYBTBNM4E

Edited by layla on Dec 09, 2022 - 11:25 AM.
revintage

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Posted: Dec 09, 2022 - 02:49 PM

Hey Daniel,
You are missing the obvious!
Why buy a second grade cat as a Wave or anything else in that boring category? As you have sailed a F16, I doubt you can accept less good boats. Seems like the problem for you, was that the full area was to hot for you. The easy way out, is to go for a F16 and let a local sail loft cut down the main to an SA that is acceptable for you. You can do the same with an A-cat. Even with cut down sails they will be far better off than the other alternatives suggested. I have done the same with a few sails.

Edited by revintage on Dec 09, 2022 - 03:23 PM.

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layla

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Posted: Dec 09, 2022 - 04:12 PM

revintageHey Daniel,
You are missing the obvious!
Why buy a second grade cat as a Wave or anything else in that boring category? As you have sailed a F16, I doubt you can accept less good boats. Seems like the problem for you, was that the full area was to hot for you. The easy way out, is to go for a F16 and let a local sail loft cut down the main to an SA that is acceptable for you. You can do the same with an A-cat. Even with cut down sails they will be far better off than the other alternatives suggested. I have done the same with a few sails.Edited by revintage on Dec 09, 2022 - 03:23 PM.

Appears as if Daniel has already bought a Topcat. I'm the one who's wondering if the Wave would be a good beginner sailboat.

Edited by layla on Dec 09, 2022 - 04:19 PM.
wxguy

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Posted: Dec 09, 2022 - 05:03 PM

Layla,
Let the haters go! I sail a Wave and it's a hoot! In fact, I have 2 of them!!!

On the FWC site (https://formulawaveclass.freeforums.net/), I have posted the HOBIE WAVE Tuning Guide. Get set up and have fun!!! You have to join the group to view it.

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revintage

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Posted: Dec 10, 2022 - 09:06 AM

Hi Layla,
Didn´t notice that. My suggestion goes for you too . But if you want a cat without daggerboards it is another thing.

layla
revintageHey Daniel,
You are missing the obvious!
Why buy a second grade cat as a Wave or anything else in that boring category? As you have sailed a F16, I doubt you can accept less good boats. Seems like the problem for you, was that the full area was to hot for you. The easy way out, is to go for a F16 and let a local sail loft cut down the main to an SA that is acceptable for you. You can do the same with an A-cat. Even with cut down sails they will be far better off than the other alternatives suggested. I have done the same with a few sails.Edited by revintage on Dec 09, 2022 - 03:23 PM.

Appears as if Daniel has already bought a Topcat. I'm the one who's wondering if the Wave would be a good beginner sailboat.Edited by layla on Dec 09, 2022 - 04:19 PM.

Edited by revintage on Dec 10, 2022 - 09:11 AM.

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