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texastuma

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Posted: Nov 30, 2022 - 03:14 PM

sun
MN3The downhaul on the wave (like other hobies) is a simple cleat on the mast. You tie off the line to the cleat, around the sail grommet and then cleated (making this a 2:1). this is adjustable on the fly (tensioned hard for upwind, and loosened for downwind) by uncleatting and resetting - that being said it will be hard to do on the fly without crew

You again did a better job explaining my thoughts. My point was that cunningham tensioning / loosening would not be possible on the fly without crew on a Wave.

To adjust on the fly, I would recommend having a swiveling cleat on either side of the mast. On the Tornado and FrankenKitty, I have the downhauls led to the outer hull. I race FrankenKitty singlehanded and have sailed it in 30 knots of wind singlehanded and adjust the downhaul while on the trap.

It is possible, but is it worth it?

I have found that with the carbon sails and the stiff Prindle mast, the downhaul adjustment is very limited. I typically have 3 adjustments; light air wrinkles just removed, on the wire with a full arm length pulled and heavy air which is a bit more snug. There is not much shape change with these sails - we designed them that way. For everyday sailing, I'm not sure how much benefit vs hassle and extra lines on the tramp having a double ended downhaul would be.

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MN3

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Posted: Nov 30, 2022 - 04:41 PM

QuoteI'm not sure how much benefit vs hassle and extra lines on the tramp having a double ended downhaul would be.

Agreed - i have seen upgraded h16's downhaul but never on a wave - probably not need - i was just saying it is certainly possible to adjust on the fly and while solo
sun

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Posted: Nov 30, 2022 - 09:30 PM

texastumaIt is possible, but is it worth it?

Not worth it.

MN3i have seen upgraded h16's downhaul but never on a wave...

I have over a year before I move. One H14 will pop up by that time. If not, then a Wave will do just fine.

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danielt1263

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Posted: Dec 01, 2022 - 11:39 AM

Just as an FYI. My local sailing center offers sailing lessons... Here is some of what they say:

QuoteAs a single sailed catamaran, the Wave is perfect for introducing the theory of sailing to those who have never sailed before. Once you are ready, the next lesson on the Sunfish will emphasize how to physically balance the boat, as the basic maneuvers learned in the Wave become more challenging.

In other words, the Sunfish is harder to sail than the Wave. Also, a well sailed Laser is every bit as fast as a Wave. (The Laser's D-PN is 91.1 while the Wave's is 92.1 which means the Laser is technically faster.)

If you are looking to "level up" from your Sunfish or go faster than a Laser, then the Wave probably isn't a good choice.

Edited by danielt1263 on Dec 01, 2022 - 12:42 PM.
sun

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Posted: Dec 01, 2022 - 01:36 PM

danielt1263...In other words, the Sunfish is harder to sail than the Wave. Also, a well sailed Laser is every bit as fast as a Wave. (The Laser's D-PN is 91.1 while the Wave's is 92.1 which means the Laser is technically faster.)

If you are looking to "level up" from your Sunfish or go faster than a Laser, then the Wave probably isn't a good choice.

I still think a Hobie 14T will look so good next to my Sunfish.
danielt1263

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Posted: Dec 01, 2022 - 03:00 PM

sunI still think a Hobie 14T will look so good next to my Sunfish.

And the Hobie 14 is quite a bit faster than the Wave.
MN3

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Posted: Dec 01, 2022 - 04:11 PM

QuoteIn other words, the Sunfish is harder to sail than the Wave. Also, a well sailed Laser is every bit as fast as a Wave. (The Laser's D-PN is 91.1 while the Wave's is 92.1 which means the Laser is technically faster.)

Meh - a sunfish is a very different boat and is MUCH more weight sensitive (will rock a lot easier since it is a single hull vs 2 hulls that are a few feet away from eachothere - that is why it will teach you weight distribution) - that doesn't make it harder to sail - I would say it is much easier to handle, learn on, and depower if hit with a gust (just let go of the mainsheet and the sail will blow directly downwind - de powering it almost completely / immediately, where a catamaran sail will hit the side-stays and still "show it's face to the wind" in many points of sail

they teach little kids on optis (small single sail dingies that look like bathtubs) - the sunfish is pretty similar boat besides shaped differently

Catamarans are harder to tack due to the fact you have to push the leaward hull around the windward hull

The Laser is a fiberglass olympic class racing dingy - the wave is a plastic (rotomolded) beginner catamaran (although can be enjoyed by any age/skill)

saying a laser is faster is true but apples to oranges
danielt1263

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Posted: Dec 01, 2022 - 04:22 PM

MN3The Laser is a fiberglass olympic class racing dingy - the wave is a plastic (rotomolded) beginner catamaran (although can be enjoyed by any age/skill)

saying a laser is faster is true but apples to oranges

I only mention it because sun said earlier, "I wanna smoke all the Lasers!" I just wanted to warn that on a Wave, there won't be a lot of Laser smoking.
sun

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Posted: Dec 01, 2022 - 04:43 PM

danielt1263I only mention it because sun said earlier, "I wanna smoke all the Lasers!" I just wanted to warn that on a Wave, there won't be a lot of Laser smoking.
dwk

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Posted: Dec 02, 2022 - 01:05 PM

QuoteI have over a year before I move. One H14 will pop up by that time. If not, then a Wave will do just fine.

Here's one in Ocean City https://southjersey.craig…14-turbo/7557401558.html.

And the last few season there's been one for sale around Traverse City, MI.

Or have you thought about an A-cat,those are lighter and can be lots of fun too. On the classified there's a Taipan 4.9 which has the same weight as the Hobie 14 and much newer model.

Edited by dwk on Dec 02, 2022 - 01:14 PM.

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MN3

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Posted: Dec 02, 2022 - 01:43 PM

Quote Taipan 4.9 which has the same weight as the Hobie 14 and much newer model.

problem with these cat's is there is no N.American support and parts would be hard to come by - and if found would be shipped from Down Under (unless you get very lucky and someone in N. America has spare parts)
Edchris177

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Posted: Dec 02, 2022 - 06:02 PM

MN3
QuoteIn other words, the Sunfish is harder to sail than the Wave. Also, a well sailed Laser is every bit as fast as a Wave. (The Laser's D-PN is 91.1 while the Wave's is 92.1 which means the Laser is technically faster.)

they teach little kids on optis (small single sail dingies that look like bathtubs) - the sunfish is pretty similar boat besides shaped differently

This is the most optics I’ve ever seen in one place….Manly Beach, Australia
https://www.thebeachcats.…ffd79bb4439d4424d6913c6c

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MN3

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Posted: Dec 02, 2022 - 08:39 PM

QuoteThis is the most optics I’ve ever seen in one place….Manly Beach, Australia

Invented in Dunedin, fl .... the outline for the original plans are still on the factory floor (now the woodwright brewing company

https://woodwrightbrewing.com/the-history/

now available in a foiling dingy. :)

Edited by MN3 on Dec 02, 2022 - 08:41 PM.
sun

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Posted: Dec 03, 2022 - 12:22 AM

dwk
QuoteI have over a year before I move. One H14 will pop up by that time. If not, then a Wave will do just fine.

Here's one in Ocean City https://southjersey.craig…14-turbo/7557401558.html.

And the last few season there's been one for sale around Traverse City, MI.

Or have you thought about an A-cat,those are lighter and can be lots of fun too. On the classified there's a Taipan 4.9 which has the same weight as the Hobie 14 and much newer model.Edited by dwk on Dec 02, 2022 - 01:14 PM.

Ocean City is such a great venue for sailing. And there is a H14 for sale there. Lucky people. I need to find an H14 just like that. It looks as if it is in good condition.

I thought about Acats.

Edited by sun on Dec 03, 2022 - 02:07 PM.
sun

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Posted: Dec 03, 2022 - 12:24 AM

MN3
Quote Taipan 4.9 which has the same weight as the Hobie 14 and much newer model.

problem with these cat's is there is no N.American support and parts would be hard to come by - and if found would be shipped from Down Under (unless you get very lucky and someone in N. America has spare parts)

Also they seem to be advanced for my current skills.
wxguy

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Posted: Dec 03, 2022 - 08:56 AM

If you have your heart set on a H14, contact Jason Sanchez in St Pete, FL. I believe he has 3-4 good ones for sale at this time.

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sun

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Posted: Dec 03, 2022 - 04:59 PM

wxguyIf you have your heart set on a H14, contact Jason Sanchez in St Pete, FL. I believe he has 3-4 good ones for sale at this time.

I will. Thank you.
JohnES

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Posted: Dec 04, 2022 - 03:25 PM

MN3
Meh - a sunfish is a very different boat and is MUCH more weight sensitive

A Sunfish has a hard chine which gives it some stability - not as much as a catamaran, but all the same, and you really have to rock it to get it to tip

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MN3

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Posted: Dec 06, 2022 - 04:32 PM

QuoteAlso they seem to be advanced for my current skills.

Meh, you can dummy it down (and flip often) - till you learn to stop (and what u did wrong)
you learn from your mistakes - and sailing with good sailers

my first cat was a H16 - didn't have a clue
then a h18 and met the local cat sailers - found a clew
got my 5.5 (same rigging as a a modern tipan 4.9)
I put 2 and 2 together and "got it" (upwind)

understanding downwind sailing was a whole new skillset

Nothing wrong starting and learning on 90's sail plan - esp if you have basic sailing skills to start with

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tominpa

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Posted: Dec 06, 2022 - 11:30 PM

I would not touch a H14, or for that matter an H16 as an adult or especially large adult. Lots of better choices.

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