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waterman623

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Posted: Jul 13, 2023 - 07:04 PM

I just purchased a used cat that I want to restore. It came with 2 sets of sails, Race set (Great shape)and practice set. I contacted Aquarius and got a parts diagram and manual from Tom (Thank You). Also ordered a new tramp and the parts (from Tom) I needed and they are on their way to me now. Aquarius what a great company. I need technical assistance in ordering lines and and rigging the boat. It won't be rigged for a month or so as I am cleaning up and repainting the hulls per Tom's recommendations. I really want this to be as updated and as clean a resto as possible. So your input on how to rig the dagger boards or if you know of a particular mod that works well please let me know. Also it came on a good trailer with a sail tube and another tube (4"dia.) that I presume was for a self righting pole or some other rigging hardware, if you have a idea of what came in that tube let me know. I live in northeastern michigan so if you live on the NE coast and want to stop by and give advice thats OK. I have given myself a deadline of sept 1st. I will check back after dinner. Thanks Mike
waterman623

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Posted: Jul 14, 2023 - 11:32 PM

Well Aquarius came through in record time! Delivery was waiting for me when I got home this evening. I will post pics tomorrow. Buy once cry once is definitely the case. A little back story, my son is the sailor in the family I am just the facilitator. He started participating in the local sailing club summer programs at age 7 and progressed fast. I introduced him to Cat sailing when he was 10. We sailed a Sizzler 16 for a 5 years a couple times a week in the summer. Then girls and jet ski's came on the scene and sailing took a back seat. Fast forward last month he called me from a undisclosed location overseas (US Army) and said he had been dreaming of sailing again every night for a couple weeks. He will be back home state side September 9th. My plan is simple get this boat restored and ready to fly by September 7th. I have found a similar thread here that has been very helpful. Long lists of todo's
Week 1 Fair and sand the hulls
Week 2 Awl grip and Genesis
Week 3 Rig and move to the beach also knock out some beach wheels.

My arms are feeling it already.
carl2

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Posted: Jul 14, 2023 - 11:37 PM

Awsome!! Looks like someones goin sailing!!
texastuma

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Posted: Jul 17, 2023 - 06:31 PM

waterman623Well Aquarius came through in record time! Delivery was waiting for me when I got home this evening. I will post pics tomorrow. Buy once cry once is definitely the case. A little back story, my son is the sailor in the family I am just the facilitator. He started participating in the local sailing club summer programs at age 7 and progressed fast. I introduced him to Cat sailing when he was 10. We sailed a Sizzler 16 for a 5 years a couple times a week in the summer. Then girls and jet ski's came on the scene and sailing took a back seat. Fast forward last month he called me from a undisclosed location overseas (US Army) and said he had been dreaming of sailing again every night for a couple weeks. He will be back home state side September 9th. My plan is simple get this boat restored and ready to fly by September 7th. I have found a similar thread here that has been very helpful. Long lists of todo's
Week 1 Fair and sand the hulls
Week 2 Awl grip and Genesis
Week 3 Rig and move to the beach also knock out some beach wheels.

My arms are feeling it already.

Great... I would recommend making it sailable, then hit the cosmetic stuff. Boats can become a rabbit hole very quickly...

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waterman623

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Posted: Jul 17, 2023 - 10:46 PM

Scott you speak the truth. I was going to try and knock it out in 16hrs two 8 hour marathon sessions. But I see the wisdom of getting it wet quickly and doing it perfect later this year after he goes back. It makes a lot of sense. Maybe that's just me being lazy also. I will sleep on it. Anyone else of the same opinion please chime in.
texastuma

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Posted: Jul 18, 2023 - 11:15 AM

waterman623Scott you speak the truth. I was going to try and knock it out in 16hrs two 8 hour marathon sessions. But I see the wisdom of getting it wet quickly and doing it perfect later this year after he goes back. It makes a lot of sense. Maybe that's just me being lazy also. I will sleep on it. Anyone else of the same opinion please chime in.

I fully understand about making it look nice. I have one boat that is the "wham bam" boat where I do quick patches with Marine Tex, and the other is a 1970s wooden Tornado.

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Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly"
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
Nacra 5.8
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waterman623

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Posted: Jul 18, 2023 - 09:39 PM

I replaced the tramp today.https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZXFzPy3gkGPGX3zV7
Don't know if you can follow the link. But it looks great.
waterman623

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Posted: Jul 19, 2023 - 12:32 PM

Ok as much as it kills me to wait, I am following Scott's advice. There will be plenty of time to do it right later and in the end will produce better results. So the trampoline went on yesterday. And on to rigging and where I will need some suggestions for rígging the dagger boards. Not adverse to adding hardware. Just figured someone has come up with a trick mod and I don't need to reinvent it.
SC19

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Posted: Jul 20, 2023 - 10:07 AM

Great to see another SC getting back on the water. Tom and crew are great.

Any idea what year the 19 is?
waterman623

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Posted: Jul 20, 2023 - 08:39 PM

SC19Great to see another SC getting back on the water. Tom and crew are great.

Any idea what year the 19 is?

The hulls are numbered 19P26 and 19S82 I think its a project boat. Is there a data plate somewhere I may have missed? I have all the rigging, nothing I can find missing. Dagger boards and rudders are good. The PO took good care of it while it was with him, but there are a lot of little things. The hulls have had repairs but they are of varied quality. This is why I listened to Scotts advice. Once I get into a project I don't stop until its perfect and once I sanded the hulls it may take significantly more time than I anticipated. I am fast but not that fast.
Its nice to meet another SC owner/fan. I can't wait to get this out on the water. Any knowledge you can impart would be much appreciated. I have the manual and the parts sheet but other than that nothing to go off other than just a couple youtube videos.
waterman623

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Posted: Jul 20, 2023 - 08:41 PM

SC19Great to see another SC getting back on the water. Tom and crew are great.

Any idea what year the 19 is?

The registration says 1982
texastuma

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Posted: Jul 21, 2023 - 10:15 AM

When you get the boat up and running, bring it down the to the Texas coast. We have a couple of race events that launch off the beach and the SC is a beast through the surf.

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Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly"
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
Nacra 5.8
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SC19

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Posted: Jul 21, 2023 - 09:42 PM

waterman623
SC19Great to see another SC getting back on the water. Tom and crew are great.

Any idea what year the 19 is?

The hulls are numbered 19P26 and 19S82 I think its a project boat. Is there a data plate somewhere I may have missed? I have all the rigging, nothing I can find missing. Dagger boards and rudders are good. The PO took good care of it while it was with him, but there are a lot of little things. The hulls have had repairs but they are of varied quality. This is why I listened to Scotts advice. Once I get into a project I don't stop until its perfect and once I sanded the hulls it may take significantly more time than I anticipated. I am fast but not that fast.
Its nice to meet another SC owner/fan. I can't wait to get this out on the water. Any knowledge you can impart would be much appreciated. I have the manual and the parts sheet but other than that nothing to go off other than just a couple youtube videos.

1982 with those hull numbers seems about right. The first two digits are the hull length, second is port or starboard (which is silly since they are the same) and the last number is the count from the mold. Sail it when you can and make pretty when you can't. If you have any questions shoot them over, my uncle worked at Supercat before Bill sold the company and I can ask him.
waterman623

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Posted: Jul 23, 2023 - 07:48 PM

SC19
waterman623
SC19Great to see another SC getting back on the water. Tom and crew are great.

Any idea what year the 19 is?

The hulls are numbered 19P26 and 19S82 I think its a project boat. Is there a data plate somewhere I may have missed? I have all the rigging, nothing I can find missing. Dagger boards and rudders are good. The PO took good care of it while it was with him, but there are a lot of little things. The hulls have had repairs but they are of varied quality. This is why I listened to Scotts advice. Once I get into a project I don't stop until its perfect and once I sanded the hulls it may take significantly more time than I anticipated. I am fast but not that fast.
Its nice to meet another SC owner/fan. I can't wait to get this out on the water. Any knowledge you can impart would be much appreciated. I have the manual and the parts sheet but other than that nothing to go off other than just a couple youtube videos.

1982 with those hull numbers seems about right. The first two digits are the hull length, second is port or starboard (which is silly since they are the same) and the last number is the count from the mold. Sail it when you can and make pretty when you can't. If you have any questions shoot them over, my uncle worked at Supercat before Bill sold the company and I can ask him.

Any structural issues to watch for. I don't even know if this is a structure core boat. It doesn't sound like it is. But I am sure your uncle could fill a boat with knowledge about this boat. Would love to talk if he has time.
jonathan162

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Posted: Aug 25, 2023 - 02:19 AM

I'd be very interested in knowing whether it came out of the factory with that traveler. The early years, including the very short time that Whaler and Ericson made them, are quite hazy. My SC19 came with a yellow mesh tramp that wraps around both crossbeams, which means that it inherited the wire traveler from the original telescoping SC20. So it's not clear to me whether your boat was built with that Harken traveler or it was converted somewhere along the way - something I'd really like to do, since I hate the wire traveler. (But the cost of that track...)

I assume that Tom impressed upon you the importance of resealing the mast and ran down the procedure. One page I've taken from his book is replacing every pop rivet with machine screws (where it's possible to do so).

Edited by jonathan162 on Aug 25, 2023 - 02:21 AM.

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SC19

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Posted: Sep 11, 2023 - 06:18 PM

waterman623
SC19
waterman623
SC19Great to see another SC getting back on the water. Tom and crew are great.

Any idea what year the 19 is?

The hulls are numbered 19P26 and 19S82 I think its a project boat. Is there a data plate somewhere I may have missed? I have all the rigging, nothing I can find missing. Dagger boards and rudders are good. The PO took good care of it while it was with him, but there are a lot of little things. The hulls have had repairs but they are of varied quality. This is why I listened to Scotts advice. Once I get into a project I don't stop until its perfect and once I sanded the hulls it may take significantly more time than I anticipated. I am fast but not that fast.
Its nice to meet another SC owner/fan. I can't wait to get this out on the water. Any knowledge you can impart would be much appreciated. I have the manual and the parts sheet but other than that nothing to go off other than just a couple youtube videos.

1982 with those hull numbers seems about right. The first two digits are the hull length, second is port or starboard (which is silly since they are the same) and the last number is the count from the mold. Sail it when you can and make pretty when you can't. If you have any questions shoot them over, my uncle worked at Supercat before Bill sold the company and I can ask him.

Any structural issues to watch for. I don't even know if this is a structure core boat. It doesn't sound like it is. But I am sure your uncle could fill a boat with knowledge about this boat. Would love to talk if he has time.

It's a foam sandwich hull. Look for issues around the bow tangs, beam mounts and rudder mounts on the transoms. If those are good you should be solid. One of my 17s does have several big soft spots on the port hull but I'm convinced that was either from a tree or a really heavy crew on the trap.
bogie52

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 09:36 AM

I am a long time SC 19 owner and I still own one though it has not been sailed in a while, I have no one to sail with...
A word of caution though; the original sailplan was 'less than ideal'. The boat had a short mast shared with the SC 17, and a sail with a huge roach, when the wind came up that sail would become very deep very suddenly and control was difficult. the best solution was a VERY stiff bottom batten. A better quality sail was also suggested as the original was likely to stretch out of shape. The boat was modified a couple times specifically I believe because it did not meet the goal of solidly outperforming the Nacra 5.8. At some point Tom made the beams longer to give the boat the 8 1/2 foot full allowable trailering width. The mast was also changed and there were 2 versions; the 19 X initially meant a taller 31 ft ? mast along with a main sail with a lot LESS roach to better match the Nacra, I sail that version and love it-the sail is far more controlable. Then there was the 19 xl, it got the 33 ft mast from the SC20 and more sail area, there is no question it would be fast but I suspect you would not need it in an area with more wind. My boat was such a model originally and it was sold to a person in Florida however the sail was old so I used my 31 foot mast in the Long Island great South Bay where 15-20 kt wind is common. At some later time the 19X name was given to a different version, the tall mast but no centerboards. i never saw one of those.
Note, those revised sails have a shorter length as I recall at the bottom and never needed the boom batten to help flatten them.
One last comment on the original mast, the earliest boats did not have spreaders, as the SC 17 never needed them. Apparrently some early masts bent under load, so spreaders were added to the short mast. Many were also retro fitted also, Hopefully your mast has the spreaders already!

Newcomers to the SC boats often make a couple mistakes when sailing.
Do not be afraid to keep your weight forward! this is not like a Hobie ,ready to pitch pole! You may even let the lee hull run underwater and remain stable. haha, you will be very wet though with spray. Watch the stern, the boat should run with the bottom of the stern at the water level. if there is too much weight to the rear the stern will drag slowing the boat. I always did well in my shallow bay with the boards less than fully down. have fun, im envious!

Edited by bogie52 on Sep 21, 2023 - 11:54 AM.
jonathan162

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Posted: Sep 21, 2023 - 11:04 AM

Just one comment on the above. I'm in the process of getting a new sail for my 19 (I have the original Dacron and it's thrashed). Since it's a boomless rig (and thus no outhaul), Tom said that the bottom batten should be replaced with a piece of Al tube. I also had the good fortune to get out for a couple of hours last month on an ARC22, and that was what was done there as well.
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Posted: Sep 28, 2023 - 06:59 PM

SC19second is port or starboard (which is silly since they are the same)

During a beer-infused conversation on the beach, a guy who worked for SC said that the P or S designation on the hulls was real because of some directional bracing inside the hulls, forward of the front crossbar.
This was to offset scissoring of the hulls (the hulls moving toward each other) under tight rigging and high wind.

If I dreamed this, I blame Pacifico.
If not, the shrimp was great.

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waterman623

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Posted: Oct 08, 2023 - 03:41 PM

jonathan162I'd be very interested in knowing whether it came out of the factory with that traveler. The early years, including the very short time that Whaler and Ericson made them, are quite hazy. My SC19 came with a yellow mesh tramp that wraps around both crossbeams, which means that it inherited the wire traveler from the original telescoping SC20. So it's not clear to me whether your boat was built with that Harken traveler or it was converted somewhere along the way - something I'd really like to do, since I hate the wire traveler. (But the cost of that track...)

I assume that Tom impressed upon you the importance of resealing the mast and ran down the procedure. One page I've taken from his book is replacing every pop rivet with machine screws (where it's possible to do so).Edited by jonathan162 on Aug 25, 2023 - 02:21 AM.

Sorry for the late reply. I will be doing all the repairs in the spring.Yes the mast will be sealed up good and definitely going to replace the rivets.