This is pretty cool, it's a Tiger that had been fitted with foils.
According to the article they have had speeds up to 32kts:
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32 knots in 7-10 meters a second.
Testing ended when a rudder foil broke (last pic).
Nothing about methods used for measuring speed. 10.000 karma points for pushing foiling <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />
Testing ended when a rudder foil broke (last pic).
Nothing about methods used for measuring speed. 10.000 karma points for pushing foiling <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />
Both pics show the broken rudder...they were still foiling without it!
That is really cool and looks like a lot of fun, but I would hate to see the F18 class with foiling daggerboards.
I wouldn't worry about that. It's more likely a new class someday will pop up flying all over the place and obsolete the F16/18's
Both pics show the broken rudder...they were still foiling without it!
I just read the swedish original text which said that the fun ended when one rudder foil broke.
It actually looks like they are foiling, and with no daggerboard/mainfoil applied as well on the windward hull. I can not even see the foil on the windward hull. Windward rudder is white while leeward is black. Looks kind of funny.
The windward rudder looks like the standard Tiger rudder.
I do hope the pics are real though, almost too good to be true <img src="<>/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />
Actually, the top picture shows the same setup. No main foil on the windward hull and it looks like the standard rudder is used.
I really doubt that would happen. In this case, I bet its pretty in pictures while sailing at certain angles - but I bet it is unable to foil while sailing upwind and is very very slow. I also can't image using that from a practical standpoint - putting in boards from the bottom of the boat, clearing weeds (eeek!).
What keeps the board with the foil from rising up in the trunk? Just friction from the sideforce?
Maybe sooner than you think, there is an item on the agenda for the upcoming F18-WC meeting:
18. To discuss Formula 18 handicap regarding curved Dagger board (Dutch class request):
Presentation to be forwarded by Dutch rep.
There is some more interesting stuff in the upcoming agenda though, interesting read.
It appears they have no altitude controls on the foils? Does the text say anything about it?
Likely a line that's kind of a downfucker. I think that's what they did on the L foils for the Viper/C2.
Weeds would be a nightmare.
Maybe sooner than you think, there is an item on the agenda for the upcoming F18-WC meeting:
18. To discuss Formula 18 handicap regarding curved Dagger board (Dutch class request):
Presentation to be forwarded by Dutch rep.
There is some more interesting stuff in the upcoming agenda though, interesting read.
This is the same class that disallowed having straight daggerboards canted in the hulls...I think it would be a pretty significant detriment to open up the rules to allow the boats to be equipped with daggerboards that cost $3,600. Price has already gotten out of control with boats well north of $20k.
Not really sure its that big of a deal Jake, the long board price is already insane, breaking one may be an insurance claim for some people as is. Switching to curved boards wouldn't make matters exponentially worse. However you'd eliminate the existing fleet as the boat would need to be designed around the foils. This I don't see the council voting on. I could see them letting t-foils on the rudders but otherwise no big game changers.
refresh my memory, is the F18 a development class?
Are we developing these boats beyond the reach (fiscal and ability) of the average sailor?
If we are to build the fleet through new sailors, should they start with some other fleet(s) before moving to a relatively high tech (and narrow performance groove) F18 foiling fleet?
As it is, I could see an H-16 sailor moving rather easily to the F18 fleet. Minor changes in boathandling and spinnaker between the two.
Moving from an H-16 to a foiling (or semi-foiling) spin boat would probably take a lot more effort, time, and money - possibly discouraging many a
hobbyist
racer (those whom sailing is a sport, not a profession)
A good example of wild changes helping a class is the Moth. Hell, I want one, and I'm a cheap butt.
No one has shown a fully flying F16/F18/F20 to be faster round the course than a stock boat. Until such time the discussion is pretty moot.
Bravo, I agree!
Of the people I knew that held that opinion, it changed after they actually sailed one. They're tough to sail...really tough to sail well.
I'm pretty sure the C class guys tried it already and found it to be not very good at going upwind?
We could simply change our typical bouy course, to something more of a drag race. What type course do the Moths typically sail? I saw some on Sydney harbor and they were FLYING! (Literally!)
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Looked like fun but as Jake points out, they are very difficult to sail well. Lots of swimming invloved on that learning curve! A foiling cat would be a whole lot more stable, side to side, and as I've been saying for years, all we really need to do is connect two Moths together, side by side!
Here's a foiling cat video: http:/
Of the people I knew that held that opinion, it changed after they actually sailed one. They're tough to sail...really tough to sail well.
I believe that, still want one.
Moths sail a typical windward-leeward course. If you want one, buy one. I'd get one but launching off a beach is difficult and foiling in sea state looks really tough. An A-Cat is more practical.
Carrying 2 sets of foils around the course (cat) vs. 1 set (moth) adds twice as much drag, and the initial C attempt proved slower, but it was an initial attempt. I bet 1 fully flying C will show up at Weymouth in 2013 and then we can be the armchair judges.
and an A is probably the route I'll end up going for a quick to set up boat. I need to build something to house the toys before I do anything. Looking at getting a Lotus Exige some day, I'm not letting it sit outside, and no way am I letting my pickup sit outside. Just wish I had Jake's lot size to play with to add a man-cave that size.
foil technology has come a long ways, and I'm sure we're just starting to get a grip on it, much less perfecting it.
foil technology has come a long ways, and I'm sure we're just starting to get a grip on it, much less perfecting it.
It's amazing how fast you run out of space after you make it.
I'm thinking SLC with a charged LS6 or something, myself. Gonna need something to work on when this garage is totally completed. Planning to install the in-floor scissors lift next summer.
I'm completely enamored with the Exige. Cheap, weighs nothing, and you can pull over 300hp out of that 2.0L pretty easily. Which isn't a lot, but it's plenty when you're dragging around less than 2k pounds. That and they're unique. I can get a used ZO6 for less, but too common.
Spaces always look big when they're empty, or on paper next to the bill. When I moved the shop a couple of years ago I thought I had a few years before I ran out of space. Took about six months for things to start getting tight again. If I build a building I'm going at least three times the size of my current shop at about 7500 sq/ft. 10k would be better yet. I need at least double what I've got now just to have room to make things flow again.
I bet 1 fully flying C will show up at Weymouth in 2013 and then we can be the armchair judges.
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You could build one of these. sorry long video but cool.
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Cool garage, but I was expecting it's occupants to be a little more exotic. A Gmc pick-up, 2 audis,and 2 jeeps in a 5 million dollar garage.