Welcome Guest
Catamaran Sailing at TheBeachcats.com Logo
Notifications
Clear all

Falcon and Viper review (German)

19 Posts
10 Users
0 Reactions
14 K Views
Holger
(@Aquata)
Posts: 59
Lubber Registered
Topic starter
 
[#27337]

For the german readers, in the Prindle&Nacra Forum is a comparison between the Viper and Falcon F16
Link:
http://nacra-kv.foren-city.de/topic,252,e0f6cf3368ca8c75c57f627fded2c304,-f16-katamaran-wer-weiss-was-ueber-diese-boote.html


 
Posted : September 24, 2010 5:54 am
THOE
 THOE
(@THOE)
Posts: 329
Mate Registered
 

Although of German ancestry, I can't read German. What's the gist of the article?


 
Posted : September 24, 2010 1:24 pm
 Karl
(@sogncab)
Posts: 3551
Member
 

Something about boats, I think....


 
Posted : September 24, 2010 2:28 pm
THOE
 THOE
(@THOE)
Posts: 329
Mate Registered
 

I was thinking that, but wasn't sure...


 
Posted : September 24, 2010 2:30 pm
(@wmkhath)
Posts: 590
Chief Registered
 

No....it's a

Wild Germany

review of the bird and snake.


 
Posted : September 24, 2010 2:36 pm
(@Anonymous 13274)
Posts: 3111
 

Use Google Chrome to view the site - it automatically translates to your preferred language.

Enjoyed the link - Thanks!


 
Posted : September 24, 2010 3:30 pm
pgp
 pgp
(@pgp48)
Posts: 4470
Member
 

The translator needs a little work, but it's fun!

As nice as the race is to pretzels with a goat over the lake, but if you not a moment may be careless, without which the boat is punished

Surely we can enshrine

pretzels with a goat

! it's too good a phrase to lose.

...kinda makes me wonder what's really going on at the U.N.


 
Posted : September 25, 2010 7:12 am
(@terryback)
Posts: 1209
Member
 
Originally Posted by pgp
The translator needs a little work, but it's fun!

Surely we can enshrine

pretzels with a goat

! it's too good a phrase to lose.

...kinda makes me wonder what's really going on at the U.N.

Tiki,
Remember that Hollywood made a movie about

men who stare at goats" with big name actors!


 
Posted : September 25, 2010 7:58 am
pgp
 pgp
(@pgp48)
Posts: 4470
Member
 

I must be a very sick man. This is so funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9_CdNPuJg


 
Posted : September 25, 2010 8:23 am
Holger
(@Aquata)
Posts: 59
Lubber Registered
Topic starter
 
Originally Posted by TEH
Although of German ancestry, I can't read German. What's the gist of the article?

A interested German Catsailor from lake Constance visited the F16 Euro at lake Como, and testsailed the Viper and Falcon.
He described the differences between both cats. The Viper had a routher look, with sharper bow, the Falcon smoother lines in the hull with nice details in beam to hull connection.
Both boats have the same amount of freeboard in the hulls.
The Falcon's mast ist further back than the Viper's mast.
The weight difference of the 6 measured Vipers was around 8kg in the platform, because of the production process?
On the water the Viper and Falcon are very comparable, the extra weight of the Viper dosn't matter much.
The rudder of the Falcon felt more precise and the boat more agile.
Some minor details in lines and rigging were different.
Later in the thread is stated, that regarding to Helge Sach, there were changes in the Viper and the newer model sails better with spi downwind, and has better handling on board.

GER3 and GER6 are two more Vipers in Germany, don't know if they are Class members. Will try to contact them.

Regards, Holger


 
Posted : September 26, 2010 6:15 am
 Karl
(@sogncab)
Posts: 3551
Member
 

Quote
Later in the thread is stated, that regarding to Helge Sach, there were changes in the Viper and the newer model sails better with spi downwind, and has better handling on board.

I wonder why? There is zero difference in the three model years that I am aware of in regards to the spinnaker set up.


 
Posted : September 26, 2010 8:37 am
(@Anonymous 12680)
Posts: 1113
 

I think he is referring to sail cut differences, not platform differences. I'd assume ther have been small evolutionary changes in the shape over the last few/three years.


 
Posted : September 27, 2010 8:19 am
THOE
 THOE
(@THOE)
Posts: 329
Mate Registered
 

Thanks. Never got around to installing Chrome.


 
Posted : September 27, 2010 1:48 pm
Lockenfisch
(@lockenfisch)
Posts: 43
Member
 
Originally Posted by pgp
The translator needs a little work, but it's fun!

As nice as the race is to pretzels with a goat over the lake, but if you not a moment may be careless, without which the boat is punished

Surely we can enshrine

pretzels with a goat

! it's too good a phrase to lose.

...kinda makes me wonder what's really going on at the U.N.

Rennziege = racing goat, is a expression in Germany for a fast machine. To pretzel (in german: brezeln) in a informal, funny way means to ride.

So the sentence above could be translated like: Although its real fun to pretzel with such a racing goat across the lake the fear of being punished for each small mistake could spoil the fun of sailing.

SRY i'm not a translator too


 
Posted : September 30, 2010 1:11 am
pgp
 pgp
(@pgp48)
Posts: 4470
Member
 
Originally Posted by Lockenfisch
Originally Posted by pgp
The translator needs a little work, but it's fun!

As nice as the race is to pretzels with a goat over the lake, but if you not a moment may be careless, without which the boat is punished

Surely we can enshrine

pretzels with a goat

! it's too good a phrase to lose.

...kinda makes me wonder what's really going on at the U.N.

Rennziege = racing goat, is a expression in Germany for a fast machine. To pretzel (in german: brezeln) in a informal, funny way means to ride.

So the sentence above could be translated like: Although its real fun to pretzel with such a racing goat across the lake the fear of being punished for each small mistake could spoil the fun of sailing.

SRY i'm not a translator too

Thanks! I love things like that. Language is amazing. I'll try to think of some English slang that does

pretzels with a goat

justice!


 
Posted : September 30, 2010 6:01 am
Lockenfisch
(@lockenfisch)
Posts: 43
Member
 
Originally Posted by Lockenfisch
SRY i'm not a translator too

Very true dude! Should be RACE GOAT not racing goat.


 
Posted : September 30, 2010 7:29 am
(@_removed-account)
Posts: 15030
Four Star Admiral Registered
 

RACE GOAT is a great name for a boat.


 
Posted : September 30, 2010 5:42 pm
 Karl
(@sogncab)
Posts: 3551
Member
 
Originally Posted by Scarecrow
RACE GOAT is a great name for a boat.

I've been thinking about boat names recently. Not so much the name, name, but more of a model name like Tiger, Falcon, Viper, etc...

I really like Pariah, and Plague. Way different take on names I think.

[/hijack]


 
Posted : September 30, 2010 8:33 pm
(@david.ingram)
Posts: 3879
Captain Registered
 
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by Scarecrow
RACE GOAT is a great name for a boat.

I've been thinking about boat names recently. Not so much the name, name, but more of a model name like Tiger, Falcon, Viper, etc...

I really like Pariah, and Plague. Way different take on names I think.

[/hijack]

Well hello sunshine.


 
Posted : October 1, 2010 6:55 am
Secret Link