Perhaps we should re-market the nations cup? For some reason I had the distinct impression that the nations cup was some affair involving only the Netherlands and GB.
Chaps,
I think we will probably need to
tag along
with someone else next year simply as there is limited time to arrange it (most / all) the big clubs (and so well orgaised events) are booked for these kind of open events 2 or 3 years in advance.
Nations Cup was intended to be equivalent to a Europeans. In any case, there was never really any limit on which Nations might actually be involved.
At this year's GC we discussed having a 2008 event in the UK, either a Nations Cup or a Global Challenge, the only obvious difference being that a Nations Cup would last 3 days and a Global Challenge would be a full week, on the basis that whilst people might travel half way round the world for 5 days racing, they probably wouldn't do it for 3.
I understand that there will be an announcement shortly about a UK event for next year, once it's been cleared with the club involved.
Paul
Singapore in 09. Count me in.
Mumbles next year, very tempting.
TJ
I am kinda thinking the following
1, GC next year - UK ?
2, Fleets grow in the US, Aus and the Far East.
3, As local fleets grow, there can be
nationals
/ Euro's / Asian champs / Aus / USA events Annually
4, Then move to a GC every other year.
For me, I cannot really afford (time and money) to travel
far away
every year and so would not be able to attend Aus / Asia / USA in following years.
Trying to balance a job in The City, a young family (that need a weeks throwing ourselves down mountains in the winter) and everything else it just getting difficult.
USA in 2009 could be handy for me as I've friends who have just moved to Alaska for 4 years and so could combine a trip to them with some sailing (and send the wife and Kids home first).
Difficult for us as a class to get the balance right, and I feel a GC every 2 years would be a good idea for a little while.
Jody,
Stealth Marine of the UK was the first fully optimised production F16 builder. JP has done a lot of work promoting the F16 class in the UK as has Matt Macdonald in the USA.
These guys have been actively working at growing the class.
I would like to see this acknowledged by holding the next F16GC in the UK and if we can get the numbers following that in the USA.
This is just my own personal opinion.
Regards,
Phill
The F16 Governing Council have been in negotiations with a number of possible venues for the hosting of the 2008 F16 Global Championship. These negotiations are nearly completed and the dates and venue will be announced within the next 10 - 14 days. Thank you all for taking such a high level of interest and we hope that we can count on your interest, support and attendance when the arrangements are finalised.
True support for the class, would be to see some national assocations start up.
TJ
Thanks for that info. Did not in any way mean to leave Stealth Marine out, I was just listing the ones of the top of my head as examples.
I was wondering what the average cost to ship a boat from the USA to Europe and back would be? How does this compare to the average charter price at an event?
Jody,
Good question.
The answer comes down to the number of boats being shipped.
You can get a lot of boats with their masts into a 40ft container to share the costs. If you can get enough people together you can bring the costs right down.
Either way it is probably cheaper than shipping boats from Australia.
Regards,
Phill
International logistics are always going to be an issue with trying to hold events with a lot of distant participation. The key is coordinating the shippment/travel. The more boats in a container the less expensive. With a little ground work this can even be subsidized further like they used to do with one of the Carribean races. It does mean planning ahead which is always an issue with Cat sailors
As the class continues to grow we will not be so dependant on having 100% particiaption just to get minimum numbers at an event, so bugeting time and money to attend events every year is not such a big deal.
At this years GC the informal discussion was around having 2008 in the UK and 2009 in the US. 2008 makes sense as it is a quick trip from Europe and the home of at least 30+ Stealths to try and get a base for the numbers. In 09, the US has a good start at some F16 numbers and the first National Organization. The issue we will run into is living up to the precedent for the level of the event that was set at Zandvoort. The Club, the volunteers and the facilities in Holland were great. With limited exception that infrastructure base does not exist in the US as the sailors for the most part have loose clubs.
I would like to set up a conference etc. with the current group of US F16 sailors to bounce around how we could put together an event of this type. It holds not only for a Worlds level event, but in trying to have even a National level event the logistics are pretty large. Having not only a good sailing event, but more importantly keeping it fun.
Where and when? The conference.
Give me a day or so and I can set it up....
Guys I used to import Gliders from the States and found the cheapest way of getting stuff across the pond was by sticking them in a trailer and bringing them over on the car ferries, some time ago but a big enough load lugger trailer would get probably 4 or 5 boats in no problem, just a thought
I'll try and talk to some of the F18 boys about how they did it when they went to Aus in Feb at the Grafham Cat open in a few weeks time.
Give me enough lead time and someone tell my wife to let me go and I'll be there
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The way I read this, there are 19 F16s sailing in Singapore, with another 5 on the way.
Is this correct?
TJ
That is correct Tony. We certainly have the biggest fleet of F16s. Plus with Taipan/Viper production in Thailand this will only grow.
So is there any interest in Malaysia hosting GC in '09 or another year? The location and sailing is fantastic. The weather is hot, the water warm.
Please not that Dec to March is our windy season. Outside this period it can be flukey due to our proximity to the equator. So moving months is not really an option.
Make an official proposal for the GC, they will decide.
Personally I'm fine with december - march, actually prefer it as that will mean I will have my boat back at the start of our European season.
Wouter
Sent proposal at beginning of the week, but no response or acknowledgement. Took it to here to canvass other opinions about the viability.
Dates work well for Eur/US in that it is your off-season. Plus Aussies have their Nats in Jan and can pack their boats up in spot at the end of the Nats. Taipan Assoc has racks already for the container.
And you definitely won't get those waves you saw in Holland...
! I like your proposal already !
Wouter
And as a sweetener, they generally get the locals to be your trolley dolly person (being politically correct).
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oohh, that sounds like a plan!
G'day All,
I'm pretty sure at the AGM in Zandvoort, it was agreed that GC events would only be held where a local national F16 committee had been formed (and acknowledged by the Governing F16 council) with a F16 class constitution.
Currently I believe there is a Dutch & USA F16 committee with F16 class constitution. With the UK & the AUS committee's forming imminent.
John Alani might be able to correct/deny/update.??
Marcus
First of all my apologies to all for the delay in providing an AGM report. Work and exams seem to have kind of somehow got in the way!! Anyhow, exams now finished - so I'll get onto transcribing notes etc. into a report that will be posted on the F16 website.
In answer to Marcus' post above, it was indeed agreed by formal vote that the class will only hold International Championships in countries that have an established Class Association.
This currently means that only the USA qualifies. However. the UK and AUS NAs are imminent and the Dutch Association is not far away either.
The revised Class Constitution, Class Rules and Event Rules will be posted to the F16 website shortly after the AGM report.
Hi all,
certainly a event in S/E Asia has advantages for Aussies, even more so for those in the north, the last time this was proposed some sailors from Darwin (who are closer to Singapore than they are to southern Australia) showed interest also. But I would be very keen to see a association etc. organised first as I would not like to see it fall in a hole again. After all it was what prompted the first Global Challenge in Holland, when organising the one in Singapore wasn't running to schedule.
I come back on my remarks concerning Hellevoetsluis in the Netherlands (= catclub Hellecat) as a possible location. If other countries are not able or suitable this is a very good spot. For your information, it is not the Dutch A-class organisation which is organizing the Dutch Nationals. They are
only
guests of Hellecat who is doing all of the organisation. For Hellecat it will be no problem (they will sell more beer + have more money from subscribers)to have 2 startgroups and do the same amount of work for two parties that they otherwise have to do for the A-cats only. Perhaps the A-cat guys will be not amused if we
steal their wind
. It is silly to think that we would have a lower status for the Hellecat-people. As far as I know they don't practice apartheid. For us as F16's it will be very luxerious, nothing has to be organized. I admit you have to pull the boat yourself onto the beach after sailing. <img src=
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Hi all,
I also think that organising a Global event 2 times at the same country is difficult to do.
I also think that the Zandvoort club proved that organising an F16 event on its own (and not joining another regatta) is possible at a reasonable price. Which is better in my opinion.
Gill
Dear F16 sailors,
PLease have a look at the official F16 website for more info about the GlobalChallenge 2008. All further information regarding this event will be put on the official F16 site.
Ohh, it is at *******, Mark P.'s home club !
Me like !
Wouter