Anyone out in cat-land have a newer 18sq sail collecting dust ????? are there any 18 sq sailors left ???? its still an amazing boat to sail !!!
Nice to see the 18sq is still alive in some places !!! not much of a fleet up here in Ontario Canada ..... would love to find a modern sail ...
Are there any 18 SQ sailors on this forum ??? would like some feed back on the newer square top sails , is there a huge differance in performance , on my A-class the square top was amazing and the way it invert and depower the top in strong winds was cool ...does anyone use a tilt trailer ??
After some research on Mike Coleman's 18sq website ( old site but still up ) I curious to find out more info on the other 18sq's that were built , the Climax and Coyote ??? anyone know about them ????
I saw an ad for a Coyote for sale one time, but didn't buy it.I have most of the parts to two Nacra squares, and the wreck of John Lindahl's LCD.
Kool !! nice to hear of more 18 sq's still alive ..... John L is one great guy .... great supporter of the 18 and A-class ... two of the best single handed cats ever ( IMO ) maybe I was born 20 years late but the idea of guys building there own boats from plans and showing up to race agaisnt other guys who built their own boats is just kool .... ok back to reality ... work , kids ..list of things to do ...... LOL .. and I sail a Nacra ... hope to be sailing again this weekend !!!!!!
Hey, Narca where do you sail, as i live in Southern Ont., Thanksgiving I'm going to retreive the Cat from the North, may sail it here, providing it's warm enough???
Paul
Mystere 5.0
Can't help but wonder which one of my 18 squares is the
wreck
. I remember starting out with A boats and then going to the 18 square because the A fleet was so small. Now I'm back in A boats. My son, Ian, is in Santa Cruz right now at the A NA's. He's learning about big water. I've got a Yahoo group site at http:/
Coyotes were from Jim Hanson and the Climax from Gino Morelli.
I have a bunch of 18Sq news letters from the 80's that I could scan and post as pdf. If any one is interested.
Hi, John, how are things?
Oh yes, please scan them and put them online if you can. 18sq and homebuilding stuff is all very interesting.
I believe that there are a few 18sq's to be found on Lake Norman, just north of Charlotte, North Carolina.
I'd also love to see the 18 sq newsletters! Thanks!
Dave
I'm in Guelph and sail the 18sq at the cottage in Stokes Bay Ontario .... also have a Tornado but going to sell it .. I like the 18sq .....
Also would love to read newsletters ....!!!!!
Found this on Youtube ....
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My Nacra has a curved travler added .. much better sail control .......
Purdy boat in the attachment from Bham, AL..... some 18s in Ocean Springs, MS - as well.
I'd like to see those newsletters. And I'm sure that Mike Coleman would be TOTALLY stoked to put them up at his site, and he is the Bearer of the Square Torch:
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Here's Phil Mumm's vid of me sailing. I thought my sail trim was god-awful until I saw the above YouTube vid. Now I'm not too embarrassed to post this vid:
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Love the Yellow boats !!! sail trim in that first video was so bad ... I really like the curved track on my the Nacra , much the same as my old A-class ....so much easier to set the shape and play the traveler and not the main sheet
Tami , is that a sq top main ??? I have to get me one !!!
Sean
Would love to know where you got the track/had it bent, and the details of how it was secured to the hulls/beam. Pretty please!
Dave
I will take some pictures thie weekend ... old track removed , new track attaches to the center of the rear beam and arcs out and attaches to the tramp tubes ( Nacra ) ..works amazing .. will post pics on Monday night
Track was ordered from local marine store ..
Sail trim in YT video was poor because the main wasn't sheeted in enough, not because it needed a curved traveller, although the curve is nice. I'm sheeted down hard in my vid - the wrinkles are because I don't have the downhaul enough on. I am looking up at it and mentally bewailing that issue as we were sailing along... and we're both way too far back on the boat, but then I'd never really sailed the boat with another person aboard. It being a singlehander and all 😉
My main, which is most excellent, was built by Jay Glaser when he was at Ullman, and Charlie Ogletree was kind enough to measure/weigh my boat as a service as the Ullman rep. I would now be torn in telling you whom to go for a sail, in that Ogletree is now still with Ullman and Glaser is now on his own...
Tami , is your 18sq a NACRA ?? are you using the standard mast ? and agreed , the curved traveler would not have helped him one bit ... LOL ...
Yes, my Sq is a NACRA.
The mast in the video isn't an original Square mast. It's a stock aluminum 5.5uni mast that I've added a foot to. That said, though, you could prebend an original 'bendy' Square mast - just tighten the diamonds.
Charlie suggested I go with a prebent rig so I ended up with the 5.5U mast, it just worked out that way. I did, before the pictured sail, have a Kevlar Elliot-Pattison main with my original bendy rig. Which I had added a foot to that mast as well - it is a common modification for the old Squares. That is, to have a sail built that's higher-aspect than the old pinhead main, thus you need to add the mast height.
The bendy-rig Kevlar main wasn't as high-aspect as this 'new' Ullman main is, although it was higher-aspect than my 30' luff pinhead Dacron main. (I keep saying 'main' like there's another sail in question. Duh, that's what I get for buying a trimaran. Too many sails.)
LOL ... I'm still sailing on the old pin head dacron main .... still its a real fast boat .... But one must always want to go faster !!!!!! Do you add to the top of the mast ???? I bought a 34 foot Sori wing section a number of years ago from John L ... maybe I should put that on ..... but I was saving it for a Formula-20 sq trimaran project ....
what trimaran did you buy ???
Nacra SQ,
The Sori is a nice lightweight for an aluminium mast.
We had the Sori masts back in the 80s. As this was before the square top main sails the masts were tapered. Had they invented square tops there would have been no need back then to taper the mast. Just wondering if your Sori is tapered?
Regards,
Phill
Add to top of mast. Use a section of another mast for a sleeve between the mast and the addition.
34' is a bit tall. I'd hold off for the 18sq unless you're going to be in light airs.
I have an F-27GS trimaran.
Hey Phil , my Sori section is not tapered .. and its a virgin stick , not a hole in it yet !! I bought it to us as a plug to build carbon masts over .
The F-27 is great boat .. I sail on my friends Dragonfly 25 thats been re-rigged with sq top and sceacher on the bowsprit !! total blast doing 20 plus knots in a boat 19 feet wide ..
Hello Square sailors,
we have 7 nacra 18 sqares at our yacht club
Catergory 2.
2 of them are sailing new skip elliott square top sails
see attached pic
Scott