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thanks was just intrested how new nacra went i have a tiger and really don't care who wins I would prefer the top ten to one boat from every manufacture. well done to john
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How about Hobie Tiger is dominating the F18 fleet.
We heard that one plenty in the past.
You know, those tiger come with a button and when you press that you win the World championship, isn't that a great feature. Apparently both the flyer A-cats and Tornado's have the same button as Darren and Glenn win those as well.
I for one am not ashamed to say that I'm loving every minute of this. Just as when the Boulogne brothers won the Worlds in 2002 on their own design against the same onslaught of Hobie hired guns and Hobie money.
You know what this proof to me ? That the formula concept is really working.
Wouter
As far as I can see, this class is working really well. The results show that there's nothing in it between the boats, so we get good competitive racing. At the same time, people are happy to believe that there's something to be gained by having one boat rather than another, so we get a good competitive market with multiple manufacturers putting a lot of money back into the sport.
Have a look at the Hobie/Nissan videos at La Torche and tell me that that's not good promotion for the sport as a whole. Now would we see that kind of interest if the manufacturer of the winning boat didn't get bragging rights?
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I second that!
It's just marketing folks...Hobie has always run a good campaign - they have a solid boat with solid sailors who are very talented and sail a lot. All the ra-ra does get to be a bit agressive but the excessive chest thumping, as Wouter said, shows how well the formula is working. The manufacturers are fighting hard for such a tiny edge.
Here's a question... who came up with the formula? Seriously. Go back far enough and there's probably like one or two guys who got behind the original concept. And when was the last significant change to the formula? I don't mean changing the dimensions of the paddle or limits on carbon fiber, but substantive changes like hull width or volume.
Also, I've only read bits here and there about an inordinate number of protests at Worlds... anyone who was there able to talk about that? Someone cited 20 protests a day?! <img src=
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F18 was originally born from SCHRS and the rules basically define a platform that would carry the same rating within that handicap system and target the two particular crewing weight ranges. Pierre-Charles Barraud and Olivier Bovyn were the two behind F18. This speaks pretty well for the parameter driven SCHRS (small catamaran handicap racing system).
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Also, I've only read bits here and there about an inordinate number of protests at Worlds... anyone who was there able to talk about that? Someone cited 20 protests a day?! <img src=
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I think a lot were based on boat's etc. I.e. weights, carrying all the equipment that the class rules say you must etc.
Plus, the closer the champs (and the lighter the wind), the more protests happen.
Scoob -
I'd agree with you on the race conditions generating protests between competitors, but there is talk that some (maybe many?) of the protests were filed by the RC against competitors... I'm re-reviewing the NAF-18 rules now so that I don't get sideways at Nationals. Didn't realize that the jib must be able to furl from the tramp during racing. I have a furler, but hadn't run any line to it. <img src=
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Also noticed that the NAF-18 logos have to go on the port and starboard hulls under the rear beam... right where my
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Just wondered what the Worlds-level RC protests might have been about.
But what can the RC protest the competitors about ?
If a boat is out of class (or not carrying the correct equipment), then it would be other competitors (or the official measurer) who would be protesting (or do you count the RC as OM ?)
I heard tale that a lot of the new jibs have straight battens in them and have sailed with one myself -I didn't try but I imagine I would have a tough time furling it with the 3.9" diameter required.
done by the crew in normal position on the trampoline. The crew may be asked to demonstrate his ability to furl the jib when
B.4.2.3 The maximum diameter of the furled jib shall be 100 mm.
For that matter, that jib I sailed certainly didn't meet this one:
Yeah - the straight-batten jib will NOT furl to the required dimension.
Do you think we can propose some rules changes (like furled dimension and sticker location) before September??
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Scooby,
It is in the Rules that an event measurer is compelled to notify the RC of any equipment violations and the RC is to protest the offending boats. There is a section of the Rules called
Event Measurement
that contains the following:
F.3.4. EVENT MEASURER’S RESPONSIBILITY: The RRS 78.3 gives the initial authority to the event measurers to determine whether an item of material complies or not with the class rules. This authority is afforded only during the event measurement. If a measurer is convinced without any doubt that an item of material does not comply with the rules, he shall write a report to the race committee, who shall lodge a protest against the yacht.
It is in the Rules that an event measurer is compelled to notify the RC of any equipment violations and the RC is to protest the offending boats. There is a section of the Rules called
Event Measurement
that contains the following:
F.3.4. EVENT MEASURER’S RESPONSIBILITY: The RRS 78.3 gives the initial authority to the event measurers to determine whether an item of material complies or not with the class rules. This authority is afforded only during the event measurement. If a measurer is convinced without any doubt that an item of material does not comply with the rules, he shall write a report to the race committee, who shall lodge a protest against the yacht.
OK, thanks, never had a boat fail measurement so I'd not experienced it.
So it appears that maybe a number of boats were not m,easuring, or re-measuring !
The RC did a random check on several boats and during one of these checks (Kenbeek/Brouwer) the RC challenged the correctness of their paddle. After that Kenbeek filed a protest against all other competitors to have their paddle (especially length) checked. After that the RC decided to check all paddles and it seemed their was a queue next to the measurers tent with at least 100 competitors having all kinds of ingenious paddle-like creations.
Dutchman Vincent Kruyt
found
a flagpole to extend his paddle not knowing the original owner of the plagpole was standing just behind him in the queue. A chase, which started in de RC's tent and ended on the beach, followed.
Also the Boulogne bro's came up with a paddle made out of a beertray. Hilarious.
John and Brian, Where is Adventure Online TV when we need them? I can only imagine the video you guys would've made of that chase...
PADDLEGATE!
read-the-flippin-class-rules-gate !
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Tiger Mike
done by the crew in normal position on the trampoline. The crew may be asked to demonstrate his ability to furl the jib when
B.4.2.3 The maximum diameter of the furled jib shall be 100 mm.
For that matter, that jib I sailed certainly didn't meet this one:
The furling one is a common problem with 4:1 self tackers. Not many actually furl and IIRC the furler is scheduled for deletion in the near future.
Jib batten pockets are another common area of non-compliance. Once again when they go full batten jibs, this issue will dissappear.
Tiger Mike
John and I are sipping foo foo drinks with the wives. Were on holiday!
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Under the rear beam on the inside of the hulls, with certain measurement details writen under the clear F18 sticker.
As for the paddles, I cant believe sailors going to these events, do not study the rules. Sailors should also forget taking shortcuts making a paddle and just buy or make a usable paddle under the class rules.
Hey Steve -
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Cool, thought the NAF was a typo......
How do you like your new Capricorn. Hopefully we will see the class build rapidly in the US with the new US dealer and recent Capricorn success.
Are you still looking at coming over to Oz for the 07 Worlds and if so, if you have any questions, please e-mail me and I will help you out where I can.
Cheers