ISAF Multihull Evaluation Panel Report

The sailors proposed both the Nacra 17 AND the Viper F16

No matter what they choose, there will be bitching! I'm just glad there is a cat, any cat, is better than the Star!

TV appeal ? Both Viper and Nacra 17 will do.

State of the art cat sailing ? both Viper and Nacra 17 will do.

Laser equivalent ? Only then Hobie 16 will be that.

affordable ? Both the Hobie 16 (€12400) and Viper (€13.400) will be good candidates.

So what will we end up with as the final selection ?

The Viper F16 !

That will also be a good leg up for the all female event at later olympics.

I think that you need to sit through a Laser Selection session. This is usually held in a place were you can look through 40-50 boats, 50-70 masts, a large selection of foils and about 100 sails. That is at least the one I sat through in MA about 10 years ago. It was held for 2-3 top sailors to select the boats-yes prural, that they would compete with that season. While a laser is a one-design boat, not all boats are made equal. Being able to select out the best does give you an edge. I do not know if this type of thing still happens today, but it did back then.

Oh I've heard the same things go on, on a much smaller scale, with Cats too. The dealer gets in a shipment and then they start weighing each hull before they put together a 'light' boat, or a 'stiff' boat, etc.

If they had 200 hulls to chose from, it would take them awhile, but I have no doubt an Olympic Hopefull would spend the time to get it right!

Personally, I'll spend that time on the beach, drinking.

Nacra F16's is 13.250.....

indeed and the nacra F16 was third in order of preference by the trial sailors.

However, that is also the quote for the first 100 boat sold and sold before nov 2012. After either limit is reached the price goes up.

Hi all,

I see some communication about pricing and this is based on wrong info and it is a comparison between apples and pears.

The Nacra 17 price in aluminum mast is in MSRP € 16350,00 this is normally a price where you can buy this boat worldwide except country’s where you have big import duties! MSRP means manufacturer suggested retail price!
The Viper Price with aluminum mast is showing in the report for €13500,00 you still have to ship and import this boat out of AUS! I did some research about pricing of the Viper and found that you can buy this boat in Germany by an AHPC Dealer for € 16521,00! What is €3000 more than ISAF report and AHPC dealer pricing what is a big difference! This dealer price makes sense because an Nacra F16 is about the same price €16176!

If you want to compare both boats you have to put the same mast on each boat. ( Nacra 17 €14500 ex works NED and Viper €13400 ex works AUS !) If you look to dealer pricing you get Viper 16521 and Nacra 17 16350. All prices are with an aluminum mast and EX VAT!

Both boats where presented with a carbon mast so if ISAF wants carbon masts the price from the viper will go up 2000 euro ex works AUS!

http://www.lindstaedt.com/viper-f16.html
http://www.sailing.org/38217.php
http://www.nacrasailing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=41%3Arace&id=183%3Anacra-17-qolympic-mixed-multihullq-&Itemid=27

Hope this helps to get a more fare communication!

Cheers Menno

Thanks. Helpful to get that clarification.

I personally do not see it as a problem that the price will go up, I view it more as a discount to try and get some orders quickly.

but both boats are made in asia, right?! so the viper isn't

out of AUS

is it?! And Nacra 17 is made in Europe?!!!

I think, too, that once a boat is selected, they can count on a steady influx of orders and can realize some cost savings due to the number of orders. That will slow down once the Olympic fleet has boats and starts into a more gradual replacement cycle...so it probably makes sense that the price is low for the first prospective orders.

If you read the ISAF report only Hulls are coming out of Thailand! And pricing of both boats in this report are ex works AUS ore NED, so nothing is shipped from Thailand as complete boat!

so the beams and masts are not made in Thailand for the Nacra 17?

Nacra 17, Sails, tramp, alu mast and beams are made in Holland (performance Sails is based in Holland!) carbon mast I don’t know!

Carbon mast is made in France I believe.

ehm, I think the ISAF report is comparing oranges with oranges as all quotes are given when picking the boat up at door of the factory ex taxes or delivery and all agents assemble the boat locally.

Other then that, it is all a zero sum game. If nacra extrude theirs masts in NED then that will mean additional shipping costs to non-european customers as indeed will be the case the other way around.

Mind you the Superwing used by AHPC is fabricated in California USA and is shipped directly to the local agents and not via AUs.

Hi Wouter -

I don't think AHPC is using that California supplier anymore - I think I heard they'd gone to a new company. Not 100% sure.

It's both. My boat has an Aussie mast because we dropped a container of boats in Long Beach

People talk about this as if they're ready to line up and buy one. I'm really surprised that nobody mentioned this:

ISAF will control allocation of first 100 boats.

and

NACRA agree that ISAF will under contract control any subsequent price until November 2016.

I'd say that for the next year or so, you'd need to know somebody to get one of these.

.... maybe somebody did mention it, but my eyes glazed over reading the comments.

Its not both masts. Its an Australian produced mast. Used to be USA. The NACRA carbon stick is from CMI in thailand, same as their hulls. It was the first few that they've produced. Could lead to some teething problems. The Viper carbon stick is from france.

both Viper and Nacra can be smod and thus

laser

like. A few tweeks and the set ups can be standardized.