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(@ocalacat)
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Re posted from the Hobie Cat Forums.

Anyone in or near Ocala interested in helping a total newbie learn how to rig and sail the 1981 H16 I just bought. I have no experience at all and would love to have someone with experience show me the ropes. (I'm sure that line has been used a thousand times but I couldn't resist)

As far as I can tell, the boat seems to be in very good condition for an 81 (I paid $1,500.00?) and the only concern I have is the base plate on the mast is loose. I'm assuming that's not a good thing? I noticed it while attempting to step the mast for the first time, notice I said attempting as I never quite got it done. I had my 17 year old daughter helping me and was just a bit nervous. I just couldn't bring myself to push any harder to get the thing to seat and was scared to death the thing would pop out of the mast step? and fall forward. Still just not comfortable with the shrouds being the only thing keeping that from happening.

I guess I didn't start out to well (first big newbie mistake) as I didn't even think to hook the trailer up to the hitch on my Jeep. I jumped up on the trampoline and started to lift the mast with help from my daughter on the ground and crash! Trailer pitches straight up and no more trailer lights, luckily no damage to the boat or myself but boy did I look stupid.

Well, I would really like to get started out on the right foot here, so if there's anyone within 100 miles or so? Have boat will travel!

Thank You!


 
Posted : August 4, 2009 7:39 pm
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First rule:

There is no 'Rope' on a boat.

They are lines, haylards or sheets.

I am based out of West Palm Beach, if you are interested in coming down this way, I can walk you through it. There is nice sailing either lake or ocean.


 
Posted : August 4, 2009 8:38 pm
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Originally Posted by cyberspeed
First rule:

There is no 'Rope' on a boat.

They are lines, haylards or sheets.

I am based out of West Palm Beach, if you are interested in coming down this way, I can walk you through it. There is nice sailing either lake or ocean.

Thanks Craig!

Like I said, I bet that line has been used a thousand times <img src="<>/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" /> I might just take you up on your offer.


 
Posted : August 4, 2009 8:50 pm
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Try THE LAKE EUSTIS SAILING CLUB. Great place. Might be a great place to start. Mostly dingys but some cats. www.lakeeustissailingclub.org


 
Posted : August 5, 2009 8:08 am
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There are also quite a few H16's sailing out of the Gulfport Yacht Club, which is in the St. Pete area, right down I-75 to 275 from you.

They race on the 1st and 3rd Sunday of each month. I'm sure someone there (or many someones) can get you started in the right direction.

http://www.gulfportyachtclub.com


 
Posted : August 5, 2009 9:22 am
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Thanks for the suggestions! St Pete looks like it may be my best option so far.


 
Posted : August 5, 2009 12:28 pm
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Website: http://tampabaycatsailors.com/


 
Posted : August 5, 2009 2:10 pm
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We've been trying to get a Hobie fleet started for some time. You're more than welcome here. Gulfport is on Boca Ceiga bay in south St. Petersburg.

http://www.gulfportyachtclub.com/

We're just off I-275, before you cross the Skyway bridge. To get a feel for the club try searching:

GYC club racing

.


 
Posted : August 5, 2009 3:08 pm
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It would seem Fleet 111 (Jax) or Fleet 80 (Daytona) would be better options and closer.


 
Posted : August 5, 2009 4:53 pm
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Actually Daytona would definitely be the closest for me. I'll check it out. Anyone from the Daytona fleet 80 on here?


 
Posted : August 5, 2009 6:37 pm
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Call/email Charlie Johnson, in W. Ocala for instant help.
Tell him you heard he was a wizard Prindle 19 sailor, but you need help. sailerp19 at aol.com


 
Posted : August 5, 2009 10:29 pm
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You missed Gilligan's Run in Daytona last Saturday and a bunch of us did some fun sailing on Sunday.


 
Posted : August 6, 2009 4:11 am
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If you decide to come down to Tampa Bay, drive on down to the Dunedin Causeway, walk up to almost any cat sailor and say help and you will have it. great sailing inside on the intercoastal, lots of spoil islands to stop and picnic on, and you can go outside to the gulf if you want. There is a fun distance race coming up Sept 6, you can get plenty of advice then and can learn a lot. Happy sailing, and welcome to the club of

I cannot beleive I just did that.


 
Posted : August 6, 2009 6:02 am
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Thanks dacarls, I sent him an email.


 
Posted : August 8, 2009 8:26 am
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cyberspeed, where do most of the cat sailors hang out in Daytona?


 
Posted : August 8, 2009 8:27 am
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Steve, We might take a ride over you way today. Unfortunately, without the boat as I'm having a little difficulty with registration on both the boat and the trailer.


 
Posted : August 8, 2009 8:44 am
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Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a

home made

utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.


 
Posted : August 8, 2009 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a

home made

utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.

True, and if they ask you how much the trailer weighs tell them under 500lbs because if its 500lbs you have to provide a weight certificate.


 
Posted : August 8, 2009 10:05 am
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The only time I sail in Daytona is for the race. Their website is www.fleet80.com. You can get more information there. Maybe send Gilligan a quick note. Very friendly bunch.


 
Posted : August 9, 2009 8:19 am
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Don't feel bad we have all jumped on a trailer that has not been hook up and went for a ride! That is a right of passage, welcome to the club!


 
Posted : August 9, 2009 2:20 pm
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There are a number of decent lakes in the Ocala area... you cannot get blown out to sea while you learn to blow over. My cat did not come with directions either. It is a bit intimidating at first. Suddenly, one day... you realize you have a handle on it.


 
Posted : August 10, 2009 4:24 pm
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Originally Posted by deepsees
Suddenly, one day... you realize you have a handle on it.

I am getting sick of waitting....


 
Posted : August 10, 2009 4:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a

home made

utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.

Unfortunately the new law is that any boat 16' or longer (motorized or not) must be registered. Believe it or not this includes Canoes Kayaks etc...


 
Posted : August 12, 2009 7:34 pm
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Originally Posted by dacarls
Call/email Charlie Johnson, in W. Ocala for instant help.
Tell him you heard he was a wizard Prindle 19 sailor, but you need help. sailerp19 at aol.com

So Charlie came over Sunday and helped me get her rigged.

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Posted : August 12, 2009 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by TheManShed
Don't feel bad we have all jumped on a trailer that has not been hook up and went for a ride! That is a right of passage, welcome to the club!

Thanks!


 
Posted : August 12, 2009 8:12 pm
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Originally Posted by ocalacat
Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a

home made

utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.

Unfortunately the new law is that any boat 16' or longer (motorized or not) must be registered. Believe it or not this includes Canoes Kayaks etc...

Any info on when this new law went into effect?

at my beach.. there is vertually no-one with a registered or titled cat...
actually i only know of 1 person who actually has a title for their cat...i have never had a title for any of my 3 cats..

http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/faqboat.html#7
Is a non-powered vessel required to be registered and titled?

If the non-motor powered vessel is less than 16 feet in length, it is not required to be registered or titled. However, if the vessel is 16 feet or more in length, it is required to be registered and titled.


 
Posted : August 13, 2009 9:14 am
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Yeah, must be new. I have never seen a Florida beach cat with a title. I looked it up about a decade ago and I think my SC20 barely made the cut for length back then.


 
Posted : August 13, 2009 12:42 pm
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In december 08 i wrote
http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/vslfacts.html#4
Exemptions From Registration - non-motor-powered vessels
Exemptions From Titling - non-motor-powered vessels less than 16 feet in length

the link no longer goes to that info....


 
Posted : August 13, 2009 1:06 pm
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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Originally Posted by ocalacat
Originally Posted by Timbo
Don't register the boat as it's only 16 feet and has no motor and register the trailer as a

home made

utility trailer, about $15 if I recall.

Unfortunately the new law is that any boat 16' or longer (motorized or not) must be registered. Believe it or not this includes Canoes Kayaks etc...

Any info on when this new law went into effect?

at my beach.. there is vertually no-one with a registered or titled cat...
actually i only know of 1 person who actually has a title for their cat...i have never had a title for any of my 3 cats..

http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/faqboat.html#7
Is a non-powered vessel required to be registered and titled?

If the non-motor powered vessel is less than 16 feet in length, it is not required to be registered or titled. However, if the vessel is 16 feet or more in length, it is required to be registered and titled.

Andrew,

The last sentence is the key point here.

However, if the vessel is 16 feet or more in length, it is required to be registered and titled.

An H16 falls into this category.

Here's what I went through. I knew I had to get the trailer registered one way or the other but didn't think I had to worry about a title or registration for the boat. Keep in mind this is an 81 H16. It has been through at least three owners that I know of.

In the process of dealing with the trailer registration, the girl at the tax collectors office asks me if I am going to register the boat and I say no, it doesn't have to be registered. She informs me that yes, even if it is a non motorized sail boat 16' or over, it must now be registered, so I hope you have a title and previous registration. Nope!

I had to have fish and wildlife commission come out and do an inspection on the boat. Run the numbers to see if it had ever been registered, measure the boat, take photo's etc... see you can't get it registered without a title and neither I or the last two guys that owned the boat had a title.

So now I have applied for a title which will take 8 to 10 weeks and he tells me that while he has recommended that a title be issued, as he's sure it's not a stolen boat, I am at the mercy of the state and they may or may not issue a clear title. If not, I can't get it registered and I will be in violation of the law. He also said that technically, if he wanted to be an butt, he could really make it difficult for me and especially the guy who sold me an untitled boat.

All that said, the guy was super helpful and was much more pleasant to deal with than the idiots at the tax collectors office. He said this was such a big waste of his time that could be spent on things that actually make a difference.

He also said I might want to pass along the info since there are obviously many people in the same situation, and are not aware of the newly revised law.

Just passing it along.


 
Posted : August 13, 2009 7:59 pm
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All that said, Anyone want to take a newbie sailing this weekend?


 
Posted : August 13, 2009 8:20 pm
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