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(@sail7seas)
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Here is a chart.
Cocoa Beach is about 10-12 miles North of Melbourne.


 
Posted : May 11, 2005 9:58 am
MaryAWells
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I found an atlas. It looks like Ormond is 6 miles past Daytona, so about 75 miles for this leg.


 
Posted : May 11, 2005 10:54 am
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Exciting news! The four lead boats have been spotted drifting past New Smyrna Beach, about 15 miles south of the finish line.

There is little to no wind -- apparently, it has all been sucked up by a storm inland.

Looks like a long evening for the race committee and ground crews.


 
Posted : May 11, 2005 4:23 pm
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The first boat finished at approx. 7:41 p.m. and the 8th boat finished at 7:55.

Here is the finish order:
Pirates
Coconut Grove Sails
Tybee
Sailmax I
Sailmax II
Spacecoast
Morada
St. Louis
Windy Hill is approaching the beach now.
Key Sailing is about 1/2 mile off the beach.
Velocity not yet in sight, but visibility is not good right now from the beach -- foggy.


 
Posted : May 11, 2005 7:19 pm
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JC can you show the camara how that desalinator works, must have been a long day !


 
Posted : May 11, 2005 9:34 pm
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Any word on the results of the protest hearing tonight? Its tough being on the end of watching this race instead of sailing this year! I think it is more stressful mentally to be checking the computer and cel phone for updates all day and night! Thanks Mary and Rick for all your hard work!
Chris Titcomb
www.acceleratedchaos.com


 
Posted : May 11, 2005 9:46 pm
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Anybody have info on Velocity? I haven't seen any reports on their web site, or any news aside from their position. They are in last place, but I still have a lot of respect for their effort. I hope they can at least enjoy some of the experience!


 
Posted : May 11, 2005 10:45 pm
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Although the chart indicated that anyone not rounding the series of marks would be DSQ'd, and it was reinforced verbally at the morning skippers' meeting, nobody was thrown out for skipping marks of the course. A 20-minute penalty was assessed instead.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 8:05 am
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As I posted this the boats had all started but were still fighting their way through the big curlers, trying to get beyond the surf, which extends a long way out in this area. They are close-hauled, with about a 2-3-mph east wind.

Once they turn to head north to Fernandina Beach, they will still be on a fairly close reach.

Rick will be posting pictures of the start pretty soon. He said the big surf made for some good shots -- better for photographers than for the sailors.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 9:21 am
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At 11:20, Rick caught up to the tail end of the fleet about 10 miles north of the start. All he could tell for sure was that Velocity appeared to be 3rd from last and Morada appeared to be last.

Wind has picked up to 5-6 mph out of the east and all the boats are beam-reaching with spinnakers.

Next report will be coming at lunchtime.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 10:40 am
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I hope you guys have seen this morning's start pictures that Rick posted with his morning story on our home page. Looked a little wet getting out.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 11:18 am
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Well, my lunch report is late because when Rick called from lunch, he didn't tell me he was at lunch. Anyway, at about 11:45 the leading boats were Tybee, Pirates, Sailmax I and Coconut Grove Sails, not necessarily in that order, because they were closely grouped and swapping places a lot.

That's all I know for now.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 12:27 pm
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Just got a shore report from Kirk Newkirk, five miles south of St. Augustine Beach. Pirates is in the lead, all alone. About 2 minutes behind are Coconut Grove Sails, Tybee and Sailmax I, in a very tight group. And 3 minutes behind them is Sailmax II. Another 3 minutes back is Key Sailing, and Velocity is about 2 minutes behind them. The last three are Windy Hill, Spacecoast and Morada, in that order.

All have dropped their spinnakers because the wind has picked up a little too much to carry them. They are jib-reaching.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 12:43 pm
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Just curious - do those conditions favor the 6.0 with their larger jib? As a 6.0 owner, I'm hopeful that Morada stages a comeback!!!


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 12:47 pm
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Just curious - do those conditions favor the 6.0 with their larger jib? As a 6.0 owner, I'm hopeful that Morada stages a comeback!!!

Yes, a broad to tight reach does favor the large jib sloops. As you saw from the first part of this race (to the rock and back) Morada did very well. I would expect them to start moving up now that the fleet has their spins put away. However, as the wind bends back to right as the day warms I'd expect the spins to go back up, and this will not favor the 6.0.

Dave


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 1:52 pm
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Boats are finished at Fernandina Beach.
First is Coconut Grove Sails, by 7-8 minutes.
Second is Pirates
Third, Tybee
Fourth, Sailmax I
The fifth boat is landing right now, and four more within 10 minutes.
One not accounted for, and that is probably Velocity.
Morada beached somewhere because of some kind of breakdown, and their ground crew has gone to pick them up.

More soon.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 4:39 pm
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Fifth is Sailmax II
Sixth is Key Sailing
Seventh is Windy Hill
Eighth is Spacecoast
Ninth is St. Louis
Tenth will be Velocity, although they are not in sight yet.

Morada is definitely retiring from the race. We still don't know the problem.

Rick is working on getting up a story and pictures on our website. Keep checking our home page.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 5:01 pm
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Mary - word on the beach is that Morada lost a transom today. Scuttlebutt is they're out of the race. Too bad - these guys have been driving hard and were praying for a reach like this...


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 6:28 pm
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Thanks for the info, John. Seemed to me like something was wrong with the boat from the git-go this morning, because they were so far back. Maybe they had some damage going out through the surf.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 6:55 pm
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In Cocoa Beach Curt mentioned that they had damaged a hull coming in to the beach and were going to do some fiberglass repair.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 7:17 pm
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Kirk mentioned the same thing - they were in last when they stopped, so something was definitely wrong. Bonnie posted that they sheared of the rear beam bolts. That would certainly be a problem... Important thing was the news that they were in and OK. I expect they'll be back at it again next year.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 7:18 pm
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hey all,
just got back from dinner... today was disappointing to say the least. We were doing well until catastrophe struck. As for updates to our website, check out www.velocitysailing.com/T500
i've been posting some small blurbs everynight from my cellphone.


 
Posted : May 12, 2005 10:04 pm
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Alright, now I'm baffled. I'm trying to remind myself that I'm a few hundred miles away and not second guess protest decisions, but... rescinding the 20-minute penalty?

I've been harping on the sportsmanship tip for a couple of years now - we compete and agree to be bound by, and enforce, the racing rules of sailing. If someone didn't sail the course and know they didn't sail the course... if it were me, I'd greatfully accept the minor 20-minute penalty as an alternative to what the rules require (a DNF) because I'd get to keep racing. Strictly speaking, a RAF would be a gentleman's only recourse, but I'm not sure I could bring myself to withdraw considering the effort and investment involved in the Tybee. A protest flag is immaterial if the competitors involved agreed that, by mistake or on purpose, they did not sail the proper course.

Hope that Chuck and Sean make an effort to further explain where they're coming from to reassure future participants that capricious or unpredictable race committee decisions won't tarnish an otherwise stellar competitive experience.

ps - Just double checked. No mention of protest flags required in the Nacra 20 class rules (Nov. 2000) posted on the class website.


 
Posted : May 13, 2005 9:28 am
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The remaining 10 boats have successfully left on the final leg to Tybee Island (about 100 miles). There was hardly any surf, and the boats all started close-hauled. Wind is out of the NNE at about 5 mph.

Team Morada is out of the race because of damage that forced them to beach prior to the finish yesterday.

They did not lose a transom. One of the straps broke that attaches the rear beam to the hulls. There are two straps on the starboard side and two straps on the port side. One of the bolts that attach the inboard strap on the starboard side broke. This caused the back end of the starboard hull to kind of fishtail, working the other strap to the point where it probably would have failed, as well.

We still do not know whether this damage happened coming in through the surf on Wednesday night or going out through the surf on Thursday morning....or what.

It is a very unusual kind of failure.


 
Posted : May 13, 2005 9:34 am
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Hi John,

I've now worked for two experienced PRO, both of whom explained it thus:

It's up to the OTHER COMPETITORS to lodge protests. Even if the RC observes the infraction, they make note of it, but it is up to the racers to police themselves. The racer committing the infraction SHOULD do the gentlemanly thing and admit to the infraction and ask for a penalty, or else the other racers should lodge protests against him. Only if the 'offending' racer is obviously unsportsmanlike should the RC get involved.

This concept, as I understand it, is first to relieve the RC of some of the stress from having so much to do, and second to encourage sportsmanship and decency amongst the racers themselves.

Unless I just way didn't understand the explanation 😉

sea ya
tami


 
Posted : May 13, 2005 9:50 am
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Hey Tam-a-ram-a-ding-dong -

Agreed - protest was filed, ruled on, then reversed without a request to reopen the hearing. Of course, I'm not there, so I want to say again that second guessing from home is risky behaviour. Reason given to reopen the hearing was a requirement in the class rules for a protest flag, which I can't find.

Also agree we're expected to self-regulate. Great idea unless it isn't happening.

Oh well - decision made and published. Best to leave it alone and let's turn our attention to the finish of an exciting race!


 
Posted : May 13, 2005 10:01 am
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Attachment is Today's Chart.

From: http://map.marineplanner.com/mapping/chart/chartindex.cfm


 
Posted : May 13, 2005 10:04 am
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Alright, now I'm baffled. I'm trying to remind myself that I'm a few hundred miles away and not second guess protest decisions, but... rescinding the 20-minute penalty?

Hmmm....

Why have rules then aye!


 
Posted : May 13, 2005 10:07 am
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Yeah, you're right again. It really is up the the competitors to take issue with the decision and not us.


 
Posted : May 13, 2005 10:13 am
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It's really not that unusual to break a strap bolt or stainless strap on the Nacra 6.0 in a race like this. The Morada boat has been through 3 Tybee 500's. Earlier in the race they did some minor port transom damage when they got to the beach and a wave slammed the lifted rudder sideways. They duct taped the crack, sailed another leg without any problems and then had it repaired.

I replace the bolts on my boat every two years or before an event like the Tybee. During the Worrell I also started doubling up some of the straps.

As far as the protest flag, I think it's a matter of The Racing Rules of Sailing, 61.1 a (2) and the fact that the Nacra (Inter-20) class and this race (I haven't read the Tybee rules this year) adhere to these rules. A boat over 6 meters needs to display a red flag.

Rick Bliss


 
Posted : May 13, 2005 10:37 am
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