If the USOC is the primary means to get people to the Olympics, where would USS fit in that picture? Is it an adjunct organization for
the rest of us
?
To be clear, I may be the old Dude that gave to the USOC in the past, but I now advocate giving directly to the Teams working hard on making the USA Olympic Multihull Team, such as Newberry/Casey
Caleb Tarleton
www.sailsandpoint.org
BTW, still racing my H-17 in all Div 4 Regattas, North Americans, and Alter Cup qualifiers, when we have them.
Sam
Fabulous solution.... I agree! ... BUT... It hasn't ever happened in the USA anywhere that I know of ...... so... my advice don't hold your breath.... or count on this happening.
For instance... AYC would not accept your 6 boats if you gave them to the club... they are land locked.
So.. you need a different approach...
I agree completely that you need a cohort of juniors that are doing the program.
What other program would be possible?
Future Olympic Sailors? http://www.americascup.com/en/news/...
Teams just selected. http:/
Three of the sailors are from Seattle. Matt Pistay is actually from Seattle, and his mother Andi, serves on the Board at Sail Sand Point.
Caleb Tarleton
www.sailsandpoint.org
I think its a shame there are no females in either US teams, especially with the Olympic Multihull being mixed now.
It's mixed now but will it be next cycle? Will there even be Olympic sailing after this cycle?
Boards are out kites in, now kites out boards in. How does anyone plan anything when there's no stability. No, trying to plan the future is not possible or realistic.
One thing that bugs me is about how teams are selected by this country is having it come down to one regatta. Shouldn't the most consistent team over a series of regattas get chosen?
but I'm sure if you called and made that a condition of your donation, they wouldn't turn you away.
Mike
And I think this alludes to Pete's concern voiced earlier.... where would I be able to SEE that my donation goes to the sailing discipline of choice.
Or should I not be so selfish and spread my money to Laser Radial and Boardsailing?
Speaking of donating directly, did JC/Sara set up any 501(c)(3) or anything? I haven't checked their web recently...
I share your concern, Mike. I thought it would be some sort of series or elimination ladder to select the most proficient, and consistent, team.
Seeing that I've won or placed well in a few events through a variety of circumstances - some for reasons other than my stunning good looks and witty banter- I don't think that necessarily makes me
the best sailor
.
In fact, the very unpredictability of my race results would highlight that notion.
The team is not selected at one event anymore. For the 2012 games, the trials was composed of the combined results from the 2011 Sail for Gold Regatta and the 2011 ISAF World Championships.
Fabulous solution.... I agree! ... BUT... It hasn't ever happened in the USA anywhere that I know of ...... so... my advice don't hold your breath.... or count on this happening.
For instance... AYC would not accept your 6 boats if you gave them to the club... they are land locked.
So.. you need a different approach...
I agree completely that you need a cohort of juniors that are doing the program.
What other program would be possible?
It is happening somewhere, the Sarasota Sailing Squadron down in Florida. The club doesn't own the boats but the local F16/F18 fleet that uses the club as their base of operations has been generous enough to loan the platforms to star 420 skippers/crews during the week for practices and in some cases weekend events. The practices were/are run by the same coach in charge of high school sailing practice. This would be possible in our area if the club agreed, an experienced multihull sailor was the coach, and enough multihull sailors offered their boats as training platforms.
Fabulous solution.... I agree! ... BUT... It hasn't ever happened in the USA anywhere that I know of ...... so... my advice don't hold your breath.... or count on this happening.
For instance... AYC would not accept your 6 boats if you gave them to the club... they are land locked.
So.. you need a different approach...
I agree completely that you need a cohort of juniors that are doing the program.
What other program would be possible?
It is happening somewhere, the Sarasota Sailing Squadron down in Florida. The club doesn't own the boats but the local F16/F18 fleet that uses the club as their base of operations has been generous enough to loan the platforms to star 420 skippers/crews during the week for practices and in some cases weekend events. The practices were/are run by the same coach in charge of high school sailing practice. This would be possible in our area if the club agreed, an experienced multihull sailor was the coach, and enough multihull sailors offered their boats as training platforms.
Not entirely true. Sarasota Youth Sailing owns 3 (at least) boats....1 F-18 (there may be another) and 2 F-16's.
Thanks for filling in the details. Point is it can work!!
Fabulous solution.... I agree! ... BUT... It hasn't ever happened in the USA anywhere that I know of ...... so... my advice don't hold your breath.... or count on this happening.
For instance... AYC would not accept your 6 boats if you gave them to the club... they are land locked.
So.. you need a different approach...
I agree completely that you need a cohort of juniors that are doing the program.
What other program would be possible?
It is happening somewhere, the Sarasota Sailing Squadron down in Florida. The club doesn't own the boats but the local F16/F18 fleet that uses the club as their base of operations has been generous enough to loan the platforms to star 420 skippers/crews during the week for practices and in some cases weekend events. The practices were/are run by the same coach in charge of high school sailing practice. This would be possible in our area if the club agreed, an experienced multihull sailor was the coach, and enough multihull sailors offered their boats as training platforms.
Not entirely true. Sarasota Youth Sailing owns 3 (at least) boats....1 F-18 (there may be another) and 2 F-16's.
....and they are churning out some EXTREMELY talented young multihull sailors!!!!!
It is happening somewhere, the Sarasota Sailing Squadron down in Florida. The club doesn't own the boats but the local F16/F18 fleet that uses the club as their base of operations has been generous enough to loan the platforms to star 420 skippers/crews during the week for practices and in some cases weekend events. The practices were/are run by the same coach in charge of high school sailing practice. This would be possible in our area if the club agreed, an experienced multihull sailor was the coach, and enough multihull sailors offered their boats as training platforms.
Not entirely true. Sarasota Youth Sailing owns 3 (at least) boats....1 F-18 (there may be another) and 2 F-16's.
Terrific.... when you get to 5 boats... we can start comparing the multi scene to the 1000's of Yacht clubs with 420 fleets.
I would argue that a two boat Sarasota fleet is a lot closer to my targeted approach then a dream that Multi's will be used in most Yacht club programs anytime in the future.
Props to Sarasota for buying some club boats.
The US SAILING Youth Multihull Championship is a good example of a pathway to the Olympics. Sarah Newberry, the current Chair of this event is one of our top sailors on the path to the 2016 games. She also was the winner of the Youth Multihull Championship in 2006. In prior events, she was 7th in 2002, 3rd in 2004, and 5th in 2005.
In 2006, our local Hobie Cat sailors in Seattle helped train three teams to race in the 2007 Multihull Youth Championship. They were trained on Hobie 16's and Tigers. Since the event was sailed on the SL 16 with spin, they got experience on the Tigers. This was not done with some damage. Two Tiger sails were destroyed during this training.
Art Stevens tried to get us at Sail Sand Point to invest in at least one SL 16 to train future Youth Multihull racers. We did consider this option, but decided not too, as the boats would have limited use in our overall program.
Currently, we have seven Waves and eight H-16's in our program at Sail Sand Point. The boats are available for our Monday night races, and we are hoping to add a second night of racing just for Multihulls.
We may not be training sailors to enter in the Olympics, but on the other hand, three of the sailors selected for the America's Cup Youth Team are from Seattle.
Caleb Tarleton
www.sailsandpoint.org
US Sailing has appointed Charlie McKee high performance director. This is awesome news.
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Slightly offtopic, but the Nacra 17 Class rules have been published:
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I get this.
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Just read them before I saw your post.... I'm a nerd
Interesting is the lack of dyneema traplines, I thought that would be standard on a high performance cat like the N17.
ditto on the trap lines.
The rules are tight.... You can't drill a new hole in the boat!... you get to play with risers and bungee's and that's it.
So... the question will be... how reproducible are the masts... do you buy a quiver of sticks and sort for the one you like? Do you have a truck of sails to match?
Will the Olympics be BYOB or supplied by the games?
Good question... It was not part of Nacra's equip proposal to ISAF... I suspect it's BYOB with tight measurement standards for the factory supplied stuff.
If BYOB, then you might need 2 or 3 boats in different locations for training and then qualifying races. It gets real expensive real quick.
Always has been.... This is part of the reason behind US Olympics push to change the culture of the Olympic team... They got most of the sailors on board with a team approach... cut the costs and increase the training and coaching time. Teams still had their international training partners... especially after selection and before the games.. This remains a key feature of the new plan just announced.
The cost of the boat always pales in comparison to campaign and training costs. Note... Countries get qualified for the Olympics by their representatives competing at the grade I events.... so... you could have one team trying to qualify the US.... or six teams trying to qualify the US... Once the US is in (based on performance)... then the US gets to pick their team... (now done by performance of the 6 teams at a couple of late ISAF grade I events.
You could always self fund your campaign and do your own thing outside of US Olympic and win the key selection events...
TROUBLES FOR NACRA 17's OWNERS?
http:/
Oakcliff Sailing Center will be purchasing 8 Nacra 17s for Olympic and Youth development and training. This is awesome news!
http:/
HOLY COW!!!!!
This program will be the single most important development in our sport since the Hobie 14 and 16 and the birth of the the Hobie fleet.
We are well beyond the XX boat is better then your boat.. and the corresponding class wars (Yes we still have a few dead enders ... see the current Hobie fleet thread) ... Clearly, we are moving beyond the stand alone paper catamaran club as our organizing principle.
Promoting excellence in High performance racing could be what our paper and yacht clubs focus on in the future.
The key was always a partnership between a Yacht Club with US Olympic Sailing. Families that are supporting their kid will now have confidence that a real step beyond the junior opportunities in Hobie 16s and F16's. We have developed a few junior opportunities at the grass roots level but we have never managed anything to match the programs in 4twinkies and lasers.
This is a great development.!!!!
I have worked with Jay Kehoe in the past and I trust him to create a series of programs that allow young sailors to fully develop their game. Jay Kehoe was the YES voice I needed in the yacht club to get Annapolis Yacht club to host the Hobie 16 Junior NA's with the annual Junior Olympic Festival.
We have a GREAT OPPORTUNITY to get organized at our Yacht club and Catamaran fleet level and get some junior sailors started in cats or on the road to the Oakcliff.
The Sarasota YC has a great program already and they must be thrilled that their sailors will soon have a national opportunity to continue their development.
We need MORE clubs and One Design classes to get on board now.
In the end..... this will help the quality and fun factor in our club and regional racing. There is nothing like competing against top sailors... (especially hot shot young guns with attitude) racing at your regatta to get the juices flowing again among the old guard.
Great result!!!! very very cool!
This is hugely exciting news. Here is a perfect opportunity to partner with US Sailing, and presents a direct path for those of you interested in donating cash to help cat sailors in the Olympics.
I've opened a dialogue with Dawn. Jack has been asking us to be ready to blaze a trail for development, now is the time.
I'm going to schedule a phone meeting for the Multihull Racing Committee within the next few weeks to plan a path forward for this year (for this and other business). If you want to help, let me know.
Mike