Being made as we speak finally. Should be ready by the end of the week. I'm getting the slightly fuller kite. I now have the winter four months to set it up and get used to sailing with it. I actually built a scale setup to check dimensions etc. I've got a new design concept for the pole and snuffer I'm working on. More on that later.
Anyone interested, I'll keep you posted.
Photo's Berny??
Yes Darryl, as soon as I get it sorted.
Got a bit of vid footage Anzac day at the Yarra Bay regatta, ie me smoking a H16 downwind in 22 knotts 
I flipped it on the jibe mark though and DNF'd.
spinnaker setups arnt that hard im 12 and i rigged one up on my friends maricat i attatched some pics
I'm impressed. The Mari looks very cool with a kite. Is that on Lake Macquarie?
That spinnaker set looks very nice. Have you thought of using the same perimeter cut kite but much flatter? Your absolutely correct though when you say that it isn't hard to set up a kite on a cat. I makes you wonder what is stopping all the other cat sailers from doing the same? especially on existing 14' cats where the difference in performance is so noticable.
that is our medium we have a much bigger assimetrical cherub kite that was to flat for the cherub the performance differents in light winds is a lot bigger than in the heavy stuff
yeah its on lake maquarie wangi guess what they cancelled our best regatta the polar bear coz the f18 sailers weren't very polite to the race commitee last time
So who is on the boat in the pics?
Are you able to put the spin up by yourself whilst sailing or is it a 2 person job on the Maricat.
its me trimming and my friend grant who owns the boat is steering i hav a hobie 14 turbo yeah u can put it up by urself but its preety hard
Cat sailing 4eva- saw your post and tried to find some info about the Gemini 14. Couldn't find anything about them. Do you know if they are an Australian Catamaran. Do they have dagger boards or are they an asymetrical hull and don't require them? What is it made of? Are you going to put a spinnaker on the hobie? Regards Nick
the gemini doesnt look anythin like that it does hav daggerboards the one that i sailed has new sails and a huge rig it will hav a #3 16foot skiff kite on it um i tried the spin on the hobie it wasnt to good no where near as good as the maricat
Na that's a different Gemini Doug. The one Nic is asking about is a 14ft boat built by Bill Nocholl of Wangie on L. Macquarie. This boat, plus another 14 built by AHPC, all appeared about the same time I put the 430 on the water. I don't think they are available any more. The geminis are a moulded glass boat with dagger boards and went well with lighter crew as did the one by Jim Boyer. Ian Marcovich had a lot to do with the Gemini early on. Ian now sails Paper Tigers and I haven't heard from Bill for some years. The AHPC product disapeared too.
It's a hard school here in the backwaters. 
Thanks Berny! I have a set of sails ordered from Geof Adams for another F14 and when I rang them this week they have put your spinnaker ahead of mine!! Puts me back a week. That’s OK though; I understand that you are driving up there to pick it up on Sunday? From talking to them I understand that yours will be the same as the green one that we put up a few months back? That spinnaker works really well, it takes a little getting used of setting it so that the luff works properly. That's because of it's slight extra "fullness" and luff “shoulders”, but once you work it out with the right tension on the halyard (don't set it with the halyard/luff pulled "tight") it really "gets up and fly's".
They asked me for the position points for the retrieval line on the kite, so I measured where we had them then told them something entirely different!!! That will teach you to “jump the queue” (only kidding)
Darryl
If memory serves me, the Gemini wasn’t a 14’ cat but measured a touch over 15’ and that was its “Achilles heel”, it didn’t fit any “recognised” size. It didn’t race against the 14’ cats sailing at the time and it wasn’t competitive against the 16’ cats. A bit like the Prindle 15’ around the same time - an odd size – and neither of them gained much of a following because of that.
Nuer, I had my order in weeks ago but because I was still working on the pole and stuff Geof held off making it and anyway I told them to put the patches in different places to yours with a different setup sussed from my scale model .
um this gemini was made by bill but was modified after building and is 14' they cut the front of and made the bows straight a great improvement
can u post some pics of ur setups when ur finished i wanna see wat everyone is runnin
Have a look at the photo's at this link
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Shame the 430 has been removed from the site. 
lets see it with the spinnaker set up berny (F14 not just 14) and it will have a permanent showing
Yeah but there are pics of the AO there before it was F14 and what about all the pics of the retro's.
If the site was truly F14, you'd reasonably expect to see a good cross section of what's about. Presently, we'd have to be excused for thinking it was the OA site.
Every photo on there Berny is F14! Every cat shown there was set up with, and sailed with spinnaker and every one conformed to within the F14 box rule (even in one case before the box rule was finalised), but the most important thing though Berny is that we have written permission from the owners of those photos allowing us to use them. There have been some other shots IE of a Hobie 14 with kite and of your 430, which haven't been true" F14 within the "box rule" of the F14 association, and those shots were "lifted" from the internet (which makes us a little nervous when it comes to "copyright" etc), we are only too pleased to show any F14 cat (whether "new" or “retro”) as long as it does not fall so far away from the Box rule F14 concept as to be in some obviously different class, AND if we have been sent those photos by their owners with their permission for us to use them. Without their owners written permission it's too tenuous to post them from our site (so we have been told, in no uncertain manner, by the site provider. So any photos that anyone would like to see posted on the F14 catamaran association site, please email them to us together with their permission for us to use them (as long as the sender is the person who has the right to give such permission)
We would love to have your photos to post.
Question; best material to make the sock from? I currently have one my best friend (wife <img src=
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When choosing a material for the sock think about abrasion. When I sourced a mesh for the first sock that I made, I used some flyscreen mesh that I already had. The result was that after just 2-3 hoists/douses the spin was showing areas that had slight 'furring' and some threads pulling from seam edges.
I then found some really soft mesh that was quite slippery, in a garden supplies store - I don't know what it would normally be used for - and it has been really good.
The sock on the Stealth is made from Pentex and causes no problems at all, it's smooth and slippery inside and because of its laminated construction stays open well so that the kite doesn't 'stick' as I have seen with the softer Dacron socks.
Darryl, What is it about Berny's 430 that negates it being considered as an F14? Apart from the obvious...that it didn
't have a spinnaker. Surely if someone wanted to enter their Catamaran as an F14 it would be up to them if they chose to sail it without the spinnaker? I am under the impression Berny's 430 is like yours, a homebuilt/own design and would therefore be whatever he chooses to call it and as it is 4.3 metres long and as far as I know complies with the other restrictions in the box rule. I would have thought an email seeking his approval to use the photo(s) would have been a much less confrontational way of dealing with this issue, than removing his boat from the F14 website, especially since he seems to be one of the sailors at the forefront of getting this class off the ground in Australia. I am not intentionally taking anyones side and of course I may and probably have missed some important point but would welcome some clarification. Nick
Is that one of your AO prototypes on ebay at the moment?
There isn't any problem posting any F14 photo's on the web site, as long as we have some form of written permission from the owner of those photos allowing them to be made public on that site. The site host has informed us that we need that written conformation before we can post
other persons
material, so any photos that are sent/posted/emailed to us together with the owners permission for us to use them, we will post (unless they are absolute crap of course). We had shots of Bernys 430 posted and had to remove them because we had
lifted
them from another web site and we had no right to use them without permission from that site (as well as from Berny).
Verbal permission isn't worth the paper it's printed on in a court of law.
Nick, it ain't important old son, I was just revving Darryl up <img src=
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Link Nick?